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abytchgoddess4u -> RE: Abusive encounters (2/24/2008 8:38:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thisisafakename
"Stumbled across a Dom's profile who actually sounded like someone could potentially have a long term relationship with, a rare occurance online. So I wrote a heartfelt email to him and received an immediate response. We got along well, and even though he seemed a little crazy, it was no more than as crazy as I consider myself, or my closest friends, in the best sense of the word. Several emails, chats, many phone calls and three days later we planned to meet. Everything seemed potentially great. This is where my better judgement went out the window.

Coming from out of town he arranged to pick me up at my house. Despite a reservation about this, I stupidly agreed, because I already built a sense of trust in this person and was distracted by that. He picked me up, he looked just like his pictures, and was quite a gentleman. Prior to meeting he had expressed his strong feelings towards me and expected me to reciprocate. I maintained that we should keep things casual until we meet, but secretly felt the same way. We drove into town and went to see a movie."

"where is the line drawn between a healthy play desire, and a person who is being abusive or abused - and how do you tell the difference sooner?"


I am probably going to get flamed to Hell for this, but I do believe you've answered your own question here. YOU ignored your gut and you made bad choices as a result.

Granted; this guy was crazy, but you would've realised that if you paid attention to the HUGE red flags waving in the breeze! The only way you would have recognised the difference sooner is if you had paid attention.

Someone who puts that much emphasis on a new potential person after three days has a serious issue. Anyone who comes from out of town after three days has a definite issue. Anyone who expects reciprication of manufactured feelings after three days has a serious issue.

Honestly; I don't mean to sound harsh, and I am truly glad you were not hurt...but you can't blame this situation on BDSM, this site, dating in general, or anything else but your own desire to be swept away. I'd really suggest you deal with your own stuff before you try meeting anyone else. Building a sense of trust in an online stranger so quickly and not feeling able to express reservations to them is not going to serve you well if you don't. 

Ain't nobody gonna watch your ass but you.




servantheart -> RE: Abusive encounters (2/24/2008 8:41:06 PM)

WOW! [sm=hair.gif]  
 
I'm sorry that you went through all that, but I'm happy that you made it out alive.  Best of luck in the future in your search for a more mentally stable partner to enjoy life with.
 
 




organicgirl -> RE: Abusive encounters (2/24/2008 9:05:09 PM)

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swtnsparkling -> RE: Abusive encounters (2/24/2008 9:06:34 PM)

FF

I'd swear I've seen this episode before.




SailingBum -> RE: Abusive encounters (2/24/2008 9:21:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thisisafakename

I'm fairly new to the world of BDSM, but well versed in the ideas/philosophies. I've met enough people from online over the years, and am street smart enough to recognize some red flags, but this one really got me.

New to this website/forum, this was my first experience please note that this is more of an abusive online dating experience rather than an abusive BDSM experience:

Stumbled across a Dom's profile who actually sounded like someone could potentially have a long term relationship with, a rare occurance online. So I wrote a heartfelt email to him and received an immediate response. We got along well, and even though he seemed a little crazy, it was no more than as crazy as I consider myself, or my closest friends, in the best sense of the word. Several emails, chats, many phone calls and three days later we planned to meet. Everything seemed potentially great. This is where my better judgement went out the window.

Coming from out of town he arranged to pick me up at my house. Despite a reservation about this, I stupidly agreed, because I already built a sense of trust in this person and was distracted by that. He picked me up, he looked just like his pictures, and was quite a gentleman. Prior to meeting he had expressed his strong feelings towards me and expected me to reciprocate. I maintained that we should keep things casual until we meet, but secretly felt the same way. We drove into town and went to see a movie.




How do you get LTR from reading a profile???  You freely admit he seemed crazy.  Picked you up at your house.  Trust someone you never met???    You had strong feeling before you met him???  What's wrong with this picture that a little common sense wouldn't cure.  you played with fire and got some verbal abuse.  If one of my kids pulled a stunt like this after I made sure there were ok <sounds like you are>  I would have read them the riot act for showing poor judgement skills and grounded them for life!

BadOne




MsPleasure -> RE: Abusive encounters (2/24/2008 9:22:27 PM)

Sorry you had to go through this.   Unfortunately Ive heard of similar situations that went even further than your incident.  People being raped and set up etc.  Disturbed manipulating chameleons do exist.  

Rules that work, especially for first meetings, never take them to your home, dont give your number but take theres and call blocked when you do, always have them come to your comfort areas in public places and drive seperately.  Any sign of discomfort or uneasiness (in your gut) cut the meeting off immediately in public.  Ive cut off meeting within 5 mins if it didnt feel right.  Tell him/her it was nice meeting them but you will continue your search.

Ive also learned not to comment to a dinner or lunch either you dont want to be stuck sitting through a meal with someone you find out isnt what you want.  Just make the meeting casual (a coffee shop, book store, etc) if you are enjoying their company move on to a dinner or lunch from there. 

There are always signs of red flags, spoken and unspoken words, body language, etc.   Those warnings are there to protect us.  There are good subs and dom/dommes out there so don't give up.




SailingBum -> RE: Abusive encounters (2/24/2008 9:26:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: swtnsparkling

FF

I'd swear I've seen this episode before.


With the writers strike and all it could be a rerun...

BadOne




Kana -> RE: Abusive encounters (2/24/2008 9:33:01 PM)

Play careful out there in the world folks, there are sharks in these waters.
Thanks for sharing this story, hopefully it will help someone else to not go through the same sort of situation.
I am sorry that you had to undergo this, but am very glad you are safe.
The advice being given here is good. As an extra comment Iwould say that it should be a danger signb if any dominant didnt try to arrange things so that you felt safe on a first date. Its one of the things I always do.




CelticPrince -> RE: Abusive encounters (2/24/2008 9:57:00 PM)

fakename,

Your is a story often repeated but rarely disclosed as you have done.

Damn it I just get pissed when subs just throw caution to the wind to make a connection, always in a hurry and then the wonderment "How could I be so wrong.

Take your time, do it right and get a handle on his personality before even going to phone.

CP




thisisafakename -> RE: Abusive encounters (2/24/2008 10:04:26 PM)

To all of you pointing out the mistakes - yes you are right! those are the mistakes I made...I accept responsibility for those, and I'm not trying to to blame it on anything in particular, just share the experience, spark a discussion and hopefully encourage someone else who might read this, to not make the same ones.

ps. I like to throw caution to the wind in general, its my style. and....truthfully, I'm probably not going to stop doing that, I just will be waaaaay more careful about meeting anyone new in future.




stella41b -> RE: Abusive encounters (2/24/2008 11:31:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thisisafakename

OK example - it might never occur to him to have a safe word or to sit down like adults and go over a list of likes/dislikes and limits because for him, its all about him. He wants someone who is just going to say "ok i submit" and let him do whatever he wants, without need for permission, and have that person do whatever he wants without question, and his needs are always more important. Forgive me if I am mistaken, as I am new to the scene, but this seems a little off?


Whoa stop right there. Please excuse me, but this is an example of what happens in this community when you rush in too quickly.

Thank God you got out of this safely. I know of at least two cases which ended up in a lengthy hospital stay for someone. Okay, risk your feelings, risk your heart, but never ever ever risk your life.

This is my assumption, but nobody in this community turns up first meeting with a safe word. They don't 'sit down like adults' and discuss likes and dislikes and limits. It's not a business meeting or job interview, it's a relationship.

They sit down like adults and get to know the other person. The BDSM all comes later. If you're talking LTR then much much later.

Don't get me wrong, they may talk about BDSM in other ways, about their experience, about their interests, they may ask you about your experience or interests, but the 'you and me' BDSM stage usually comes much later.

The three core fundamental elements of a successful D/s or BDSM relationship - trust, friendship, communication.

In other words, good Dominants wait, bad Dominants can't. The same can be said for everyone else.

I'm very sorry you had a really traumatic experience and it's understandable if you've got some really deep trust issues.. But there are some really good Dominants out there, and some wonderful friends to be made, online or offline.

Don't let one nutcase put you off.  




AtlantaMistress -> RE: Abusive encounters (2/25/2008 12:31:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thisisafakename


I wanted to share this not only as a catharsis but also as a warning to even the most wary of those of you, who are actively meeting people online. I was taken in by a manipulative person who was mentally unstable and the situation could have been a lot worse. I let my guard down, and got really unlucky. But I consider every bad experience in life to be a gift. Because those experiences are part of me and partially shape my personality, and it strengthens me and makes me wiser, as well as feeding my creative side. In addition to learning my lesson about protecting myself and not being so trusting, this situation has effectively erased any desire to ever meet anyone from online ever again. Although I'm sure I will get over that, and these things can happen anywhere, not just online. Also it has opened my eyes up to an element of the BDSM world that is now a reality for me, that some people use it for the wrong reasons. I think everyone needs emotional release, whether it be through kinky-ish bedroom activities or 24/7 BDSM lifestyle - but where is the line drawn between a healthy play desire, and a person who is being abusive or abused - and how do you tell the difference sooner?


I, too, believe that EVERYTHING HAPPENS FOR A REASON, even the bad things. It is actually the worst things in my life that have led me to the happiest. Sometimes it takes some time to "connect the dots" and realize why something may have happened. For you, with this situation, it certainly was a learning experience and I am sure you will do things quite differently in the future. After all, insanity is doing the same things over and over and expecting different results. You made some mistakes, big deal - we all do. Often when you want something bad enough, you will overlook things that you may see in retrospect. Don't look for LOVE or even an LTR, just be open to it if it comes along if that is what you want. If you are really looking for a Dom, look for Local Munches - I know in our community, most people have a collarme profile, but someone who is CRAZY would not likely go very long without it being called out. Also, I think you are right - his suicide threats, as scary as they may have been, were most likely a way to try to manipulate you. Most that do it - just do it, and don't threaten it. Regardless, you have no control over him, and shouldn't feel responsible for whatever crazy acts HE does. You can only control yourself, and change the way you meet people based on the lessons you have learned.

I think you are also VERY right - chemistry is a HUGE part of a relationship, and no matter how much time you spend online or on the phone, you just can't tell. Often, even in person - you think you like someone - then the kiss gives you NOTHING, but should give you tingles to your fingertips and toes! Make sure to keep this in mind so that you don't allow your thinking to get too far ahead of you - getting yourself or anyone else too excited about "lifetime" possibilities just based on how you seem to get along before you meet.

Don't let this scare you away from trying to find whatever it is you are looking for though. I met someone on this site - and I was NOT looking for love...but found it!






thisisafakename -> RE: Abusive encounters (2/25/2008 12:53:09 AM)


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I, too, believe that EVERYTHING HAPPENS FOR A REASON, even the bad things. It is actually the worst things in my life that have led me to the happiest. Sometimes it takes some time to "connect the dots" and realize why something may have happened. For you, with this situation, it certainly was a learning experience and I am sure you will do things quite differently in the future. After all, insanity is doing the same things over and over and expecting different results. You made some mistakes, big deal - we all do. Often when you want something bad enough, you will overlook things that you may see in retrospect. Don't look for LOVE or even an LTR, just be open to it if it comes along if that is what you want. If you are really looking for a Dom, look for Local Munches - I know in our community, most people have a collarme profile, but someone who is CRAZY would not likely go very long without it being called out. Also, I think you are right - his suicide threats, as scary as they may have been, were most likely a way to try to manipulate you. Most that do it - just do it, and don't threaten it. Regardless, you have no control over him, and shouldn't feel responsible for whatever crazy acts HE does. You can only control yourself, and change the way you meet people based on the lessons you have learned.


I liked what you have to say a lot. One thing - it is a myth that people who threaten suicide aren't actually going to do it. Suicide threats should always be taken very seriously I believe, a cry for help is a cry for help.




mystiquenz -> RE: Abusive encounters (2/25/2008 1:15:05 AM)

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I'm very sorry you had a really traumatic experience and it's understandable if you've got some really deep trust issues.. But there are some really good Dominants out there, and some wonderful friends to be made, online or offline.

Don't let one nutcase put you off.
 

I have to agree with stella 100% with her post. 

So you have met one person, the meeting did not go well, and you got a fright along the way.  The lesson, is one that only you can identify, for it belongs to you.  I have to echo others who have posted the sentiment that your safety has to be paramount. 

Maybe, if you want to meet people who are local to you, enquire about munches in your area.  They are open for all, informal gatherings normally in street attire, at a restaurant with no hassels and no pressure. 

Take care of you, and like some one said "trust your gut".  Develop that sixth sense and use it.  

Thank you for sharing, and hopefully others will learn from your experience. 




thisisafakename -> RE: Abusive encounters (2/25/2008 1:25:41 AM)

Yea...my instinct has never been wrong. Following it is not always easy though!

Don't worry - I'm not that easily put off. I'm just a bit spooked about online now, but it will pass.

I've noticed he's got a new profile. The report button refers to the content of the profile and moderators say don't bother them with this stuff? At the same time as I want to just leave him alone and let him get on with it, I feel bad for the next girl...perhaps I should alert a mod?


....although, he can just make a new profile any time he wants. There is really nothing one can do.




mystiquenz -> RE: Abusive encounters (2/25/2008 1:33:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thisisafakename

... At the same time as I want to just leave him alone and let him get on with it, I feel bad for the next girl...perhaps I should alert a mod?



Maybe if you had identified the area you were in that would be enough caution for others to take note.  However you didn't do that.  The chemistry with you and he, was a no go zone, maybe the next girl will be his match?

Maybe a moderator will read this forum and will make their own decision?!!  I do not know how it operates.  Sorry I cannot be more help to you. 






StormsSlave -> RE: Abusive encounters (2/25/2008 3:28:23 AM)

I'm just glad you're alive to have learned the lesson, that's all.




Evility -> RE: Abusive encounters (2/25/2008 4:42:44 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thisisafakename
OK example - it might never occur to him to have a safe word or to sit down like adults and go over a list of likes/dislikes and limits because for him, its all about him. He wants someone who is just going to say "ok i submit" and let him do whatever he wants, without need for permission, and have that person do whatever he wants without question, and his needs are always more important. Forgive me if I am mistaken, as I am new to the scene, but this seems a little off?


Glad you were not physically hurt during that episode.

This paragraph caught my attention. You have pretty accurately stated our exact D/s dynamic. We've been together a little over two years (met online also) - having a great time of it. I guess I just wanted to add a comment here that what appears to you to be "a little off" is the only way we would have it. Not that you are mistaken at all - different strokes and all that stuff.

Glad you're ok. Meeting people online isn't terribly different than meeting them in person, in my opinion. In some ways I like it better.




BlackPhx -> RE: Abusive encounters (2/25/2008 10:10:12 AM)

That instinct will never do you any good if you don't listen to it. That safe call does you no good if they don't know where you are. If you are in a moving car, they are going to have no clue.

Please may I suggest that if you are going to meet someone from online (vanilla, kinked to high heaven or 98 years old and rich as Midas), take your own car, set a place to meet them and have your safe call at the next table, ready to intervine if neccesary. That is a safe call that works.

Also please remember disposable prepaid cells phones are your friend. They mean you don't have to give out your home number or regular cell to someone you haven't met yet. You can add minutes, and if need be toss the phone with minimal loss, and a lot of added safety.

poenkitten




DiurnalVampire -> RE: Abusive encounters (2/25/2008 10:25:54 AM)

Poenkitten is right, unfortunately nowadays meetings have to be handled VERY cautiously. When I met my boys, I made sure that I was able to manage around on my own assuming it dodnt work out with them. Fox drove her to my apartment complex, but he never had MY apartment number and I met him out front. We went to a park for the day, and only after I trusted he was safe did I bring him home. With Angel, I came to Nashville on vacation for a wedding and aside from depending on him to pick me up at the airport the first day, I was capable of avoiding him completely.
You have to make sure there is no way someone can get you alone when you are not yet ready for it. No matter how charming they are online or on the phone until you see them face to face, you know nothing about the person. And this goes for vanilla or lifestyle, male or female. People tend to think only the males are the dangerous ones... If I were to go psycho I could kill. Anyone could. BUT, I am also a small (5'4) and unindimidating looking female. People assume you act as you look, and thats what gets them in trouble.  Maybe I am jaded and see danger everywhere, but after living in NY and teaching a self defense course I know that everyone can pose a threat, and I treat every first encounter that way.
Meeting FAST isnt the problem. Meeting fast can work out just as well or just as badly as taking a long while to meet. Ignoring obvious red flags and meeting with preconcieved notions about what you will see, rather than what you actually do is the problem. If you find yourself excusing someones actions from the getgo, or making explinations to yourself about why something was done a certain way because you eed to be convinced, then theres something wrong.

DV





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