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RE: Prepare for Total Domination - 2/26/2008 12:10:35 AM   
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Total control/Total Domination:
 
Are you willing to be micromanaged?  In some tasks, aspects of day to day life, yes.  Reality sets limits on this.  Any area She wishes to control is Hers.  We discuss in length areas She wishes to explore more control over and together decide if it is realistic or perhaps something to do more on an occasional basis. 

Are you willing to ask when to poop and be refused? (this came from an LA reposnse I think and I spit coffee on that one) Again, our reality says no, not on a daily basis. 
 
Are you willing to turn over all your assets?Mistress has access to my bank accounts, keys to my vehicles/home.  I am married so to turn over "my" assests is not something that would just pertain to me.  She respects our marriage and would not expect this. 
 
Are you willing to be told when and how much time you can spend with family? Our first rule is "Family First ALWAYS"

Are you willing to forego any of your happiness for a D? As She always states, Her happiness is fed by my own.  So this is a resounding no as I would not do anything to jeopardize Her happiness. 
 
Are you willing to be told when to speak and when not, what to say and what not to say? Yes, within our relationship and when dealing with friends/aquaintences within the lifestyle.  When I am speaking to family, (personal)friends, business matters.. no

Are you willing to give over your right to independent thinking? absolutely not.  She values my mind and would not expect this

Are you willing to be told who to vote for, what to wear, what to eat and when, have your food ordered for you?  Vote? no. To the rest, yes when She feels it is appropriate.

Are you willing to be used by whom ever She chooses, when and how? No, this is a hard limit for me as I am married.  A fact known and fully discussed prior to me becoming Hers.



Personally I do not think I could ever live with being 100% micromanaged and as such would never consider seeking a Mistress that expected it. 

I see it as, each realtionship is different and as such, each will define the areas the Dominant wishes total control over. 

In my relationship, Mistress chooses to allow me freedom in many areas.  Just because She allows me the freedom to go to the bathroom without asking permission most days, does not mean She doesn't have control over that area.  It simply means that today She is allowing me the freedom to do such without asking permission.  Tomorrow, She could demand it be otherwise. 

However, She realizes that setting forth such demands comes with a price to Her.  Can She be available at all times for me to call or come to Her and ask?  Is She willing to accept that responsibility? No.  She understands Her own limitations and responsibilities in life and doesn't "bite off more then She can chew".  In our area, cell phones are not reliable, She is rarely at home or in an office where She can be reached and as such, to require me to call and ask permission for something or ask what She wishes to me have for lunch simply isn't realistic.  The only time She has ever set a rule requiring me to contact Her for something, have been days She knows She will be available, or has set aside time specifically for that to occur. 


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ORIGINAL: LadyHathor
I am the keeper of the game plan, I take the responsibility to make sure all the things get done, cared for, looked after--but inside that plan everyone has tasks, to do's responsibilities


A mindset firmly set in reality and well said Ma'am

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RE: Prepare for Total Domination - 2/26/2008 4:19:34 AM   
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For me, it's all about Spirit Fingers.

Sparky (the pet)


OMG chia, now I have to go and watch the movie again! LOL

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RE: Prepare for Total Domination - 2/26/2008 5:03:18 AM   
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I am glad i was led by the wonderful Lady Hathor to this posting.Again as with my other postings,i can only say what i feel,I don't think i could ever give over total control,i am quite frankly too New York for that.If anyone knows anything about New York it is that we relish our independance and especially our thought process.This doesn't mean that if a Domina orders me to do something that i am suddenly going to rear up on my hind legs and answer disrespectfully or just say no freakin way.I would like to think that all the dotting of the i's and crossing of the t's was done long before a task was given and i lean more towards individuals,Dominas if you will that allow me to have a say or share my thoughts.As a submissive,we are expected to respect our Domina but be truthful with yourselves,how much respect would you have for a sub that needed to be micromanaged??My opinion is that would get real old real fast and then the Domina becomes bored and the next thing you know..as pure as your giving up control is..you are out on the street.One might even consider this to be a dominant trait in me that i won't turn over all control,perhaps that is true and maybe i am shooting myself in the foot by saying such.What i do know about myself is i wish to serve in a way that fits with the Dominas needs and hopefully a canvas can be painted ala VanGogh that She will respect and consider my needs.I think i am fairly easy to get along with and that is all this is.Can you mesh your needs together and build the perfect D/S relationship??It is about honor and respect and integrity.I have no problem handing over my check and having my Domina control the finances.But everything else for me must be negotiated and once that happens...then if there is such a thing as giving total control then maybe that is it.Again my two cents and i might be looked upon as a fool..but this is what i feel.

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RE: Prepare for Total Domination - 2/26/2008 5:57:13 AM   
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Never think your opinion is that of a fool, its based on sound experience--
 
I do not chastise those who practice micro management, for Me it is not what I seek--yet you did say something chezz that I think is worth repeating often:
 
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Can you mesh your needs together and build the perfect D/S relationship??It is about honor and respect and integrity.


It is the working together, it is not the all My way, or all your way---if your way is allowing it to be all My way, then that's fine if that is what the TWO need to succeed.
 
The point that has all been made and I hope we continue to see made, is that you have to provide some kind of starting framework based on reality----and as you said--honesty--if its all a sexual turn on, say so, but don't go into this parading as what you are not or cannot or do not want to fulfill.

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RE: Prepare for Total Domination - 2/26/2008 6:18:22 AM   
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Lady Hathor-if i might ask you respectfully....
Could you please give us a glimpse into your perfect world of D/s relationships?
What is your number one priority for yourself?  For the slave?
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RE: Prepare for Total Domination - 2/26/2008 6:45:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: nineofone

Lady Hathor-if i might ask you respectfully....
Could you please give us a glimpse into your perfect world of D/s relationships?
What is your number one priority for yourself?  For the slave?
THX


By all means,
 
I am the keeper of the game plan, ensuring all things set out get accomplished, short or long term--inside that framework, each person ( as I have an 18 YO UM as well)--has responsibilities, wants, needs, desires--at the end of the day I am the vote that decides how things will play out, (allowing said UM to spread proverbial wings a bit). And that doesn't play out with said boy flitting around My house naked. I have no time for micromanagement, once a task is set out, then there needs be no deviation in the implementation of it.
 
 
My number one priority is to continue to build life, in the primary role. I will seek counsel when I need to and make decisions accordingly. To blend and mesh as one is the ultimate goal, continuing to expand family as UM grows hers someday.
 
Love, passion, commitment, joy, fun.
 
From My submissive/slave--joy in the momentum and rythmn of his role, comfort in his skin, honesty and devotion to Me, to Us and to our goals.
 
I quite frankly don't care if he is alpha at work, on the golf course or in the men's room--at some time each day we are all D's and s's--it is the role he plays in the relationship that matters most. I expect him to be a help and a comfort not a hinderance or a drama queen. I have no time to wipe noses or monitor potty breaks, emails or phone calls. I expect our values of life and family to match and I do not expect him to have a BDSM list on the wall and tick off what, when and how many times.
 
Love, passion, commitment, joy, fun.
 
edited to add a missing (

 

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RE: Prepare for Total Domination - 2/26/2008 6:58:37 AM   
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Thank you Lady Hathor. If your words are sincere you ARE what most of us crave. You sound worthy of worship. In my opinion many D's dont understand exactly WHAT they are asking for with requests of total domination. Rather than being able to recognise and assisting us to develope strength over and from our our shortcomings they are only concerned with their own self-serving interests. Occasionally entertaining as this may be,it doesnt bode well for long term relationships.
Thanks again...

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RE: Prepare for Total Domination - 2/26/2008 8:39:38 AM   
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Lady Hathor, once again I am awed by your wisdom. It is apparent that you have given much thought to your role in your household.

It would be easy to accept domination from a D who wants me to submit to him, rather than wishing to subjugate me.I am not the enemy; I am meant to be his loving partner - subordinate partner.

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RE: Prepare for Total Domination - 2/26/2008 9:00:27 AM   
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Hello Lady Hathor,
Some parts of your thread pertain to me, and what i would like in a D. Some do not. IMHO, if a man wanted a domme to do everything you outlined, he needs to be infirmed. That being said, I would like to address some of the points, as they pertain to me.
1. I don't want to be micromanaged.
2. I wouldn't be happy in a situation where I had to ask to go to the bathroom.
3. At some point in time, if the relationship gets to that point, I would let my lady take control of the assets, but not     necessarily turn them over to her. That would be a topic for discussion after meeting.
4. I don't hink any of my family would be close enough to make that a point of contention.
5. Possibly some of the things that make me happy, but definately not everything that makes me happy. If she
   asks that of me, I wouldn't think she's much of a domme.
6. Since I have a mind of my own, I would hope she would want to hear my ideas.
7. Never
8. Some women like to show dominance in public, and I don't have a problem with that.
9. That would be a deal breaker. My problem with that is I'm straight, and monogomous.
I hope my answers help and give you food for thought.

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RE: Prepare for Total Domination - 2/26/2008 11:01:49 PM   
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At least define yourself, or try and its not a laundry list of stuff, put some definition, some framework, some depth to what you are saying.



When it comes to my submission, it is defined by whom I am submitting to. Most of the things you list he would not have any interest in controlling. He does not want to restrict my time with my family. He does not want to tell me when to poop. He does not want to dominate in a way that makes us both unhappy. To him that sort of a relationship would drain his energy...it would not feed him. He controls what he wants to control, and that to me is having a lot of control.

One can be the owner of a large international corporation. One can have complete control over it, but that does not mean they micromanage it, that they make decisions just to show they are "in control". They exert control where necessary, and delegate authority over the majority of what needs to be done. What I wanted was a dominant that did not need to control every aspect of my existence to prove to himself that he was the dom in the relationship. It isn't necessary in my mind\. To me having someone do things just to prove they are the dominant in the relationship (like intentionally making me unhappy to prove my submission) just wouldn't work for me, that isn't what I signed up for.

Now I have had to do things that made me uncomfortable and unhappy temporarily, but if I felt that way often... I wouldn't remain. If that makes me less than a true sub.. I'm ok with that.

Back to the intitial point... defining me will take a lifetime, and I am in no hurry to get to the finish line. Defining our relationship, well that is a work in progress also...

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RE: Prepare for Total Domination - 2/27/2008 7:26:22 AM   
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"Back to the intitial point... defining me will take a lifetime, and I am in no hurry to get to the finish line. Defining our relationship, well that is a work in progress also... "
I agree-it IS the journey and not the destination that fulfills life. Many want and expect instant gratification. Sexually its do-able.Building a solid foundation takes time.WE ARE NOT ATM's

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RE: Prepare for Total Domination - 2/27/2008 7:54:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: nineofone

"Back to the intitial point... defining me will take a lifetime, and I am in no hurry to get to the finish line. Defining our relationship, well that is a work in progress also... "
I agree-it IS the journey and not the destination that fulfills life. Many want and expect instant gratification. Sexually its do-able.Building a solid foundation takes time.WE ARE NOT ATM's



Well states by both of you, however, I do believe that there has to be some framework as a starting point--if you want to go to Bono and I am packed for Rome, we have some issues---smiles--so I say start with a framework and go from there, bit at least start with something---
 
smiles.

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RE: Prepare for Total Domination - 2/27/2008 8:27:36 AM   
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LadyHathor-I agree with having a firm FOUNDATION to start with. My observations through life have shown me that most in our society are started off on the wrong foot in this respect,and havent a chance of finding a suitable companion as they dont even know themselves yet.
Sex,social position,earning potential,Physical looks, and etc. have taken the forefront in this area. I too have fell to this many times. I have had to put the pursuit of spiritual things back where it belongs in my life,FIRST. I'm just trusting that all else will follow in its train...

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RE: Prepare for Total Domination - 2/27/2008 9:05:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyHathor
...however, I do believe that there has to be some framework as a starting point--if you want to go to Bono and I am packed for Rome, we have some issues---smiles--so I say start with a framework and go from there, bit at least start with something---
 
smiles.


I agree. My vision of a relationship would be that I would have autonomy in activities that are basic human needs or legal rights, or where I have superior skills and knowledge; he would have control in all other areas. Decisions where I have strong opinions would be discussed, but in the end, it would be his word that rules. There might be some emotional discomfort at times, but that's part and parcel of being submissive to another. If those periods of discomfort become too frequent, I would have to re-evaluate the relationship.

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RE: Prepare for Total Domination - 2/27/2008 11:43:05 AM   
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I am a slave. That is my personality, about that there has never been any doubt, to me. However, I always said I had no interest in micromanagment. If micromangement was one of the choices on the interest survey, Master would have probably checked it off very high, and I can't help but wonder if I would have written him.
He told me in the beginning that this was what He wanted. He said, however - "I will never force anything on you. But I will keep trying to seduce you into my lifestyle. And I will keep asking." And I laughed at him. Not for the reason He probably thought - not because I thought no one could seduce me to micromanagement. But because I know me, and I knew, if I fell in love with him, I would want to give him anything he wanted.
And I did fall in love. And, I do want to give him whatever he wants. But, in addition to that, I have to say, I love this lifestyle, and I love the life Master has given me. I have been owned before, and ritual and kink is more of a part of our daily lives, and there are more constant reminders that I am, indeed, his slave, than in any relationship I have ever been in.
As a micromanaged slave, I did not feel attacked by Lady Heather's post at all. What I read is that there are these idiots who keep writing her, who say they want to be micromanged, but when she tries to get them to explore what that means to them, they just talk in mindless circles till you want to blow out either your brains or theirs. (pick theirs. It will do more to improve the planet overall.) It is a hot word for them, but being forced to think it through would disturb the fantasy.
Throughout our time negotiating the early stages of this relationship, the same conversation kept coming up, about different things. I would say, "What about X? How much control do you want of X? I really don't think I can give up control of that, Sir." And he would say, " I want control of it all. When you are ready to give me that control, I will make the decisions, and you will do what I tell you to." And my breathing would change, looking into his eyes, and my mind would change, and I would go instantly from 'I can't give up control of X' to 'Please give me that life.' And he has.

Are you willing to be micromanaged? I am a micromanaged slave, and I love my life, and I love the rhythm of my days. It is not for everyone, but I am constantly surprised how happy it makes me.

Are you willing to ask when to poop and be refused? (this came from an LA response I think and I spit coffee on that one) Well, I do ask for permission to go to the bathroom, and I have been told no before. However - I ask for permission when we are together. If I am in the other town with my adult children or family, if I am out without him, while he is at work, ect; I don't wait, I just go. If we are together in the house and he is busy - in the garage, on the phone, ect - I just go. If we are in vanilla public, I try to catch his eye and say 'I'm going to the bathroom.' and wait for his nod - but, that doesn't always work, in which case, I just go. There is some logic to be applied here.

Are you willing to turn over all your assets? Absolutely. Of course, I have none. Master provides for all my needs. I used to have a job, which provided me with my own money. Not much of it, granted - it's a disgrace what Americans pay the people who take care of their 'most treasured assets', but still, it was mine. Then Master got me knocked up, and, apparently, if you get pregnant at 40 and diabetic, you should just pack a sleeping bag and go live in your doctors waiting room. And my boss got rather tired of THAT, so, I am on permanent leave. (permanent, because in the mean time, I moved a couple hundred miles to Master.) So now all my money is Master's. Oh, well.
Master does understand what 'all my needs' entails. For instance, he understands that I need to care for my adult, mildly special needs children. So, I still pay the rent on my apartment there, even though I am there once a week or less, and even then, I am there to help them. He bought me a car for my birthday specifically so I could give my car to one of my sons when he gets his license. That didn't work out, my son does not have his license yet and last weekend the car seized up and died a permanent death. Master immediately began cruising the Internet for appropriately priced cars to buy for the son in question.

Are you willing to be told when and how much time you can spend with family? Master understands my needs in this regard and takes them into question. He insists that I spend far more time there then I would if left to my own devices.

Are you willing to forego any of your happiness for a D? This question confused me a little. Then I realized it was aimed at the above mentioned idiots. <grin>. Anyway, the real answer is complex. At any given time, on any given issue, the answer is yes, even if there are quite alot of such issues that need that answer. Overall, long term - everyone needs their relationships to be fulfilling. So, if you are constantly unhappy, and for the long term, then it is time to change something.

Are you willing to be told when to speak and when not, what to say and what not to say? Yes. Yes, but - I would not have selected a Mater who did not like ME as a PERSON, and therefore enjoy what makes me ME. I would never have selected a Master who did not want to hear from me. But if it is necessary to make rules about not speaking at certain times, in certain ways, in certain places, maybe even on certain topics, (though that one is a bit harder to imagine) but, still, if such rules are made, I am fine with them.

Are you willing to give over your right to independent thinking? As someone said, I do not understand how to do that. My willingness is not at issue here. I would willingly give up my right to have bodily functions, to fart, to breathe- but I don't know how to stop doing those things. Ditto for thinking. 'I think, therefore I am.' (To be is to do. To do is to be. Do Be Do Be Do Be Do.)

Are you willing to be told who to vote for, what to wear, what to eat and when, have your food ordered for you? The voting one had a recent thread on here, and it was fascinating. The vast majority of Masters said they would never tell their slaves how to vote, the vast majority of slaves said, 'absolutely yes, without problem.' As it is also for me.
As to the others, yes. He chooses my clothes every day. If we are in a hurry and he tells me to just go get dressed (which is not an often thing), I put on clothes then come to him for his approval. He watches what I eat, and when I take my sugar, and my sugar readings, like a hawk. He paid for his last slave to be on nutra-system, specifically so he could control all she ate, even when she was not with him.
Master came to my city to meet me for our first date. He asked me to pick a restaurant, since I knew the city better than he. I purposely chose a restaurant with 'family style' ordering so that he would have to order for me. <grin>

Are you willing to be used by whom ever She chooses, when and how? We have not done this yet, I do not know how Master feels about sharing the slave, but he knows how I feel about it. I have no desire or need to be with or play with any other man (women are a different issue...), but I will be happy to play with anyone he wishes me to. Not a problem.

Before I met him, I think my main objection to micromanagement was, I could not imagine anyone wanting to devote that kind of time to managing a sub. I thought, eventually, you will just want to strangle her. I am constantly amazed at the amount of time and attention Master is willing to devote to this slaves upkeep. None the less, your questions are good ones, and when the wankers write you with 'please control everything...', you should require them to fill out such a survey. Micromanagment is not for everyone, and it requires a lot of thought, IMO.


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RE: Prepare for Total Domination - 2/27/2008 12:17:18 PM   
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Are you willing to be micromanaged? yes, already am to some degree
Are you willing to ask when to poop and be refused? (this came from an LA reposnse I think and I spit coffee on that one) I do have to ask to use the restroom, and to eat, drink and a couple other things
Are you willing to turn over all your assets? yes, I trust my Master
Are you willing to be told when and how much time you can spend with family? yes, I think he would be reasonable
Are you willing to forego any of your happiness for a D? I already have in one way...had to decide to either be with him and not have the chance to have kids or look elsewhere
Are you willing to be told when to speak and when not, what to say and what not to say? Already kinda have that rule
Are you willing to give over your right to independent thinking? my Master like's hearing my opinion
Are you willing to be told who to vote for, what to wear, what to eat and when, have your food ordered for you? yes to all, would he tell me who to vote for? I doubt it
Are you willing to be used by whom ever he chooses, when and how? I trust his judgement and we have talked about it
 

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RE: Prepare for Total Domination - 3/1/2008 2:48:36 PM   
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I'm not into TPE >.> these are my responses

Are you willing to be micromanaged?
- No

Are you willing to ask when to poop and be refused? (this came from an LA reposnse I think and I spit coffee on that one)
-Absolutely not!  When together I might say I'm off to use the bathroom and definately would when talking online but I woudln't be asking permission >.>

Are you willing to turn over all your assets? 
-Uhm NO! If I owned a car it wouldn't suddenly become His and if we both paid for a house it would be 'ours' not His

Are you willing to be told when and how much time you can spend with family?
-no

Are you willing to forego any of your happiness for a D?
-happiness in a relationship should always be mutual... if I'm unhappy then why am I still there?

Are you willing to be told when to speak and when not, what to say and what not to say?
-yes

Are you willing to give over your right to independent thinking?
-ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!

Are you willing to be told who to vote for, what to wear, what to eat and when, have your food ordered for you?
-Respectively, no (I think this kind of ties in with independant thinking), yes, no, maybe

Are you willing to be used by whom ever She chooses, when and how?
-No trading, hard limit


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RE: Prepare for Total Domination - 3/1/2008 7:03:19 PM   
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Well states by both of you, however, I do believe that there has to be some framework as a starting point-


I have this sister that has been married for over 20 years. They built their foundation together. They grew up together into adults that shared many trials and tribulations. I do not think either one of them thought about things in the terms you are thinking of them.

My foundation is my inner character, not my submission to another person.


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