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Termyn8or -> RE: May be of interest...... (2/26/2008 12:06:14 PM)
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How about some other statistical evidence that doesn't seem to be available. Suicide for example.
And how many of the people who "go postal" are on SSRIs ?
You know the Columbine shooters were on SSRIs, or did they forget to mention that ?
My opinion on SSRIs is that you are beter off drinking and getting high. At least you know what that'll do to you. With these pills, it seems sometimes they bring out insidious problems that did not appear before. I don't think there is a way to tell if they were already there, or if they were created by the drug.
But that's just me. Everything I take, I know EXACTLY how it is going to affect me. And I will never agree to take anything for the rest of my life, well maybe beer. But you have to be careful with anything. Of course with the beer, or any alcohol you need to be careful. YOU have to remember after that first sixpack NO CARS and NO GUNS.
In the case of SSRIs you have no idea. At the very least when they put someone on an SSRI they should be observed for a time, perhaps even institutionalized for a short time.
But a better solution I think would be for them to fix psychology. I did not say psychiatry, a psychologist does not prescribe drugs. All forms of psychotherapy should be tried before drugs are administered.
Even good friends can help one through hard times. But some people do not have the right kind of friends for that. A good psychologist would endevor to bring you out and help you find your own self worth. He would also teach you how to look away from all the terrible shit going on in the world and apply yourself to your own life.
Basically I think depression is at an all time high because life sucks. Rather than "curing" someone so they can get on with their life, they would rather just give them a pill. This is what it has come to. In a way you can say that 1984 is here, forever. Is your pill blue or red ?
Actually I do not think the system is fixable. Drug company executives run the FDA, literally, they have two jobs. If that isn't a conflict of interest tell me what is. They also give grants to medical schools, on top of funding research.
If you think that doesn't give them a hell of alot of influence I have this oceanfront property in Arizona.
Another form of influence is the media, at least in the US. When they run the same ad twice in each commercial break, they are buying influence. Why else would they do it ? But bet you believe when that drug kills someone, guess what is considered not newsworthy ?
And now that you brought up this particular subject, I have been reading for a very long time, and sometime in the 70s or 80s I read that in a double blind study, a placebo seemed to cure headaches just as well as aspirin. I only saw it once, but that doesn't surprise me.
I got my Mother off aspirin. She was always taking it and she was always getting headaches. She stopped taking it and stopped getting headaches.
I haven't had an aspirin in about 35 years and I don't get headaches. I rarely get something that could be descibed as a headache I guess, but it passes quickly. It happens maybe once every five years or so, and is always gone within five minutes.
When I read about the aspirin study there was no internet. Providing evidence is impossible, but from my own personal observations, we have had the wool pulled over our eyes for a long time now. But draw your own conclusions.
Here's what I think is a hoot. They got a combo drug now for high BP and high choleserol. On the commercial they used Dr Jarvic, the inventor of the first artificial heart. I commented on the fact that if this drug is effective against heart disease, he makes less money. Then my Father informed me that they quit using the Jarvic model a long time ago. Maybe he needs the money.
I do not trust "them", never have and never will. If I EVER go under a doctor's care for any reason, I am going to be the most proactive, curious and well informed patient they have. My Father did the same thing. I can't say whether his doctor likes seeing him or not, but he has surprised them more than once. They've said things to him like "How do you know that ?", his reply, "Hey I got a PDR and the internet". This just after refusing a drug. He told them straight out he is not taking any calcium blockers, and he's not too crazy about MAO inhibitors. IF he were to take them the need would have to be great.
Then they wanted to give him Lipitor, the liver destroyer, and he prodded them. He knew well it was for cholesterol, and he said "What is the number ?". They hemmed and hawed for a minute, but he persisted. They finally said (IIRC) 210. Then what is normal, like 180 ? He told them to stick it up, well, to make sure it did not get a sunburn.
And there are other sources, one says that your life expectancy decreases if your cholesterol goes much below 200.
All of this indicates that the real drug pushers are not out on the street. Not proof, but the evidence seems to mount doesn't it ?
T
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