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ORIGINAL: justnewsub

is it true when you are in sub-space that you can endure more pain or whatever?

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ORIGINAL: justnewsub

is it true when you are in sub-space that you can endure more pain or whatever?

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

some call it subspace...this slave calls it a trance state.
 
it isn't exclusive to BDSM.  the first time this slave entered it, she was in labor.
 
this slave has never experienced sub-drop after an intense scene.  she experiences the opposite that most report and would have to call it sub-high, if hard-pressed to label it at all.

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Anyway, it is just my experience and opinion that subdrop is caused by inadaquate aftercare, I have no doubt someone will tell you that it is very different for them, in which case, it probably is.

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ORIGINAL: justnewsub

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Sub-drop, for me, feels a whole lot like depression. That kind of constant "lump in my throat" feeling, an aching loneliness, a sense of being completely out of sync and "discombobulated". It can last as long as a couple of days. I agree that it is a bad thing, and for me, it happens when we don't have enough time for me to "get it back together" in cuddling, sleeping, talking. Now, I know it takes me a long time to pull back together, and I could never expect anyone to know that, without being told. The person I've played hardest with, learned that we couldn't play like that unless we had at least the whole night to spend together. I would wake happy, together and ready to face the day... and other than missing him, there was none of that horrible depression and disorientation.

My point is that I think the degree and nature of aftercare needs is different for everyone, and we're not going to get it right all the time, particularly in a new relationship. I think it is in the sub/slave's best interest to be very honest about what kind of shape they are in, after the fact when they can express themselves clearly, and to be able to describe to a Dom how it felt, from the time they stopped play, to the time they felt completely back together. If the sub/slave knows what needs to change, they need to be free to express that, and if they don't know, aftercare will have to be carefully given, and tweaked along the way, until said sub/slave feels complete with the experience, and feels well and normal afterward.

Just my two cents... I'm a newbie to the boards, so if I'm doing/saying anything wrong, please just let me know.

tt

Just my two cents,

tt

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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

I'm gonna address this fairly simply...the things we call subspace and subdrop ot botto or top or whatever are based in the physical realm. They may be emotionally triggered or even controlled but it's all physical.

Look up endorphins.

"sub-space" (etc etc) is when the endorphins are triggered and being released in your body and brain.

"sub drop" (etc etc) is when those endorphins have worn off...your body releases other chemicals in the need to balance things out. Unfortunately for our tenderselves, when there is an up there is a down and depressants last in our systems longer that stimulants. Meaning you're gonna "drop" before you stablize.

It really has little or nothing to do with the lifestyle or activities in particular...many people, women especially, get an endorphin rush from shopping...get home get over it feel depressed and eat and sleep until they stablize. It just so happens that when we have people around that we care about it can pad the "drop."

This manifests itself differntly in everyone yes. However, the drop is bound to happens even if you don't notice it directly...that extra hr of sleep is part of the drop. It has nothing to do with "bad tops" so don't let anyone fool you.

And that's the physcial facts. The manfiestation of those facts are individually based.