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Are the Secret Weapons of politics being used against O... - 2/27/2008 1:55:59 PM

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If anyone has seem my comments in a couple of other threads, I have started leaning towards support of Obama. This has meant more digging on my part, into what is currently occuring with Obama, as well as his history. It seems there has been investigations into those close to Obama, with a friend of his currently on trial for Racketeering charges. Now it seems they are going after Obama's church http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/02/26/irs_investigating_obamas_churc_2.html

These are what I call the secret weapons of poltics, where those with influence drop a word to the right department, and investigations and allegations occur. Usually when I see many behind the scenes pulling of strings to get things like this done, there are some power brokers that are scared. What do others think?

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RE: Are the Secret Weapons of politics being used again... - 2/27/2008 2:00:27 PM

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I think it happens every day. It's just the way they do business here.

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RE: Are the Secret Weapons of politics being used again... - 2/27/2008 2:04:56 PM

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it is a good thing a sunset cant be governed. -legislated lobbied.

they will smear him. but thats how elections are. i understand that in France the same left right thing occurs tho not as religiously based.

i was watching the energy debate in congress. amazing how the pa rebub says gas will go up- and jobs lost. 1. gas will go up-. 2. whem did he start caring over the peons.

this hatred towrd mortage help.. might deregulation have failed? when you buy a house you are at the banks mercy- and once you get a certain amount of time into the process- one simply cant back out. and they know it and use it to extort. all legal. now that it collapsed- blame the victem.

why no tax on stock transfers?

when they legislate gravity- gravity will no longer be public domain.

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RE: Are the Secret Weapons of politics being used again... - 2/27/2008 2:05:52 PM

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I don't think it is him specifically. He is succeeding, anytime that happens people are gonna look for dirt. In politics guilt by association is much more problematic than it is for you and me. Perception is all there is.

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RE: Are the Secret Weapons of politics being used again... - 2/27/2008 2:20:26 PM

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Well they went after Romney for being a Mormon. They went after Huckabee for being a Baptist minister. Obama is not the only one. They all have to put up with this; it's just politics. They are big boys, they can take it.

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RE: Are the Secret Weapons of politics being used again... - 2/27/2008 2:35:11 PM

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The teachings of Obamas church will not paticularly sit well with many middle of the road Americans. It's fair game to point out they give awards to people like Farakhan, or what the church says on its home page. No secret weopon involved in looking at the Churche's homepage.

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RE: Are the Secret Weapons of politics being used again... - 2/27/2008 3:49:50 PM

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I am speaking specifically of the IRS investigation of the church.

Yeah the church has some odd notions, but then again many churches do, if you look closely enough.

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RE: Are the Secret Weapons of politics being used again... - 2/27/2008 3:54:34 PM

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I admit being of a mixed mind on this. On the one hand do i think the current administration could make an investigation happen? Hell yeah. On the other hand, the IRS could be accused of favoritism if they didn't investigate.

Jeff

I just think once you step into this arena, you had better be ready for some shit

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RE: Are the Secret Weapons of politics being used again... - 2/27/2008 4:07:46 PM

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Yeah, what a bunch of Farrakhan loving kooks....

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This section lists notable people known to have been raised in or current members of the United Church of Christ or its predecessor denominations.

Abigail Adams (1744–1818)

John Adams (1735–1826)

John Quincy Adams (1767–1848)

Daniel Akaka — U.S. Senator from Hawaii (Democrat)

Max Baucus — U.S. Senator from Montana (Democrat)

Julian Bond — Chair NAACP (2004–present)

Walter Brueggemann — contemporary theologian, poet, and UCC minister, retired professor at Columbia Theological Seminary

William Sloane Coffin — Late Presbyterian/UCC minister and activist; 'pastor, prophet, poet'; former Chaplain at Yale University and Senior Pastor of Riverside Church, New York City

Common — Rapper, recording artist, member of Trinity UCC in Chicago

Jon Corzine — Governor of New Jersey (Democrat)

Howard Dean — Former Governor of Vermont (Democrat)

Mark Fernald — Former New Hampshire State senator pg 10

Donald Hall — United States US Poet Laureate [42]

Mills Godwin — Former Governor of Virginia

Bob Graham — Former U.S. Senator from Florida (Democrat)

Judd Gregg — U.S. Senator from New Hampshire (Republican)

Jim Jeffords — Former U.S. Senator from Vermont (Independent)

Dean Koontz — American writer and author. Raised UCC, now is Catholic. [43]

John Williamson Nevin — notable 19th-century theologian [44]

Barack Obama — U.S. Senator, 2008 presidential candidate

Robert Orr — Assistant Secretary General of the United Nations [45]

H. Richard Niebuhr — notable 20th-century theologian

Reinhold Niebuhr — notable 20th-century theologian

Sally Pederson — former Lieutenant Governor of Iowa (Democrat)

Leonard Pitts — Nationally syndicated Pulitzer prize–winning (2004) columnist

Marilynne Robinson — Pulitzer prize-winning (2005) author of the novel Gilead

Philip Schaff — notable 19th-century theologian [46]

George Smathers — Democratic Senator from Florida [47]

Max L. Stackhouse — public theologian and professor at Princeton Theological Seminary

William "Bill" McKinney — President of Pacific School of Religion, since 1996

Paul Tillich — notable 20th-century theologian

Andrew Young — Civil rights leader, ordained UCC pastor, and former member of Congress, UN ambassador, and mayor of Atlanta, Georgia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Church_of_Christ#List_of_famous_UCC_members_or_attendees

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RE: Are the Secret Weapons of politics being used again... - 2/27/2008 4:56:35 PM

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Alumbrado, but I was talking about his specific Church. Church of Christ has a lot of different offshoots, and I certainly dont think John Adams or John Corzine was proudly celebrating his bond to Africa and the Black experience. Perhaps people won't have a problem with it. But,

"We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community."

Is hardly what people generally think of when someone says they are a Christian. It looks like a pretty active church so there is nothing sinister about them not trumpeting the award they gave to Farakhan for outstanding leadership on the front page anymore. But it is a reality that Obama will have to deal with.

This is Obamas church http://www.tucc.org/home.htm

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RE: Are the Secret Weapons of politics being used again... - 2/27/2008 6:52:50 PM

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       Secret weapons??? Maybe to the brain-dead or the hopelessly naive idealists. Anybody who has ever dipped a toe into the pool of a political campaign knows how this stuff works.

       Find the dirt. Leak the dirt 'off the record.'  If you can't find something, make shit up. As Lyndon Johnson said, "Let's make him deny it." This game is about power, people, and if Barry can't handle this, he's got no business in the White House.

      I think I've found the place where he could secure my vote. I need to believe he KNOWS he's lying when he talks about pulling out of Iraq.

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RE: Are the Secret Weapons of politics being used again... - 2/28/2008 6:03:23 AM

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Secret Weapons is a metaphore, do you need a link to a definition.

Yeah we need to pull out of Iraq, it is draining too much money out of this country.

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RE: Are the Secret Weapons of politics being used again... - 2/28/2008 7:18:29 AM

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You already defined your terms and metaphors, Orion. I'll repeat that they are about as secret as the the Israeli nuclear arsenal.

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These are what I call the secret weapons of poltics, where those with influence drop a word to the right department, and investigations and allegations occur.

Orders from the top are rarely a requirement. It happens organically, and can initiate from many possible sources.

There is another great quote from politics, attributed to Huey Long, "Never write what you can say, say what you can whisper, whisper what you can express with a gesture or gesture when you can raise an eyebrow (paraphrased)."

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