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Body Image - 2/28/2008 1:49:46 AM   
Aneirin


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Status: offline 		With so much media influence about what is the ideal body image, I have to ask does this media lead ' body ideal ' bother you?

Are you happy with your body image or would you like to become the ideal image as is so often seen in the media ?



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RE: Body Image - 2/28/2008 2:07:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		It always shocks me when people don't care that I have imperfections. Thats what the media has done to me.
I however would not want to be some skinny waif. It perhaps looks great on the screen, but not in real life. Plus, Peoples frame should dictate how they look. I am a larger frame women with broad shoulders and I at 5'7 with my frame look like an anorexic at 135 pounds. Would I like to be more slender? Sure. Do I feel self conscious sometimes? Yes. Are people more accepting of my body than I am sometimes than myself? Yes again. Are there things I want to change about my body? Yes, Would I kill myself striving for an ideal? No. Can I love and accept myself anyway? Absolutely

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RE: Body Image - 2/28/2008 2:13:09 AM   
Foititis


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Status: offline 		I'm quite happy with my body image.

Personally I don't much care for what the media has to say. But I don't see how the media's representation of the ideal body is much different to the one that has prevailed throughout most of recent history.

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RE: Body Image - 2/28/2008 2:22:45 AM   
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But I don't see how the media's representation of the ideal body is much different to the one that has prevailed throughout most of recent history.


That opinion just screams your age at the top of its lungs...



What does "most" mean?

What does "recent" mean?

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RE: Body Image - 2/28/2008 2:22:45 AM   
Usako


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Status: offline 		When certain things are stuffed down your throat it's hard not to be affected. I have a horrible body image and seeing what you see everyday just makes it worse. It's not the most happiest feeling in the world when you wonder "I wonder if I'd be happier if I was skinnier."

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RE: Body Image - 2/28/2008 2:24:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Luscious, something I feel is very important for us all is that we need to stop comparing ourselves with others, especially in terms of body shape. I've had people ask me, "How can you DO that?", what they're referring to is me walking around naked in my own home/garden at a dress size 22/24 with my wobbly bits jiggling about for the world to see, as if I should be ashamed and hidden away, covered up. They may be crippled with a poor outlook, I'm not. I'm very comfortable with who I am and my appearance. Of course I would like to be thinner, not for appearances' sake, but for my health as it'll be easier on my joints the older I become, so I'm working on that and doing well.

At 5'3, even when I weighed 7st 4lbs, I could not wear the fashion clothes pushed into the media by the girlyboys of the fashion industry who have dominated it for decades, not that I would want to b/c my style is pretty bohemian in any case. I have hips, large breasts and regardless of how little I weigh, they're not going anywhere anytime soon.

It's important to like who you are, the less a person likes themselves the more focused they'll become on themselves, and the more crtical of their body.

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RE: Body Image - 2/28/2008 2:27:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		The media stopped influencing my perception of anything in 1987.  The Tawana Brawley case crystalized for me that the media had become a caricature of itself and was no more valuable a tool for impartial, fact based useful information than the drunk plumber at 2:30pm at the Irish bar under the railroad tracks in my town..... 

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RE: Body Image - 2/28/2008 2:35:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Foititis
But I don't see how the media's representation of the ideal body is much different to the one that has prevailed throughout most of recent history.


That opinion just screams your age at the top of its lungs...



What does "most" mean?

What does "recent" mean?


I was thinking during the industrial revolution, you know with the ridiculous corsets and such. Since this is a discussion about media and all I'd have thought to invention of the automated printing press would really be a good time to base my statement off.

However seeing as you’re such an old man you must think more along the lines of the copper age as 'recent' no?

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RE: Body Image - 2/28/2008 2:40:09 AM   
wkdshadow


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Status: offline 		I'm not happy with my body yet. I used to be 290lbs about a year and a half ago, and now I'm somewhere around ~165lbs. I've come along way, but I've still got to tone myself. I wouldn't say it's the media that causes my uncomfortableness with my body, it's that when I compared myself to other guys my age I was a fatass, and embarrassed of my body, so I decided to change it.

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RE: Body Image - 2/28/2008 2:43:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan

It's important to like who you are, the less a person likes themselves the more focused they'll become on themselves, and the more crtical of their body.


I agree Miss Morgan. If one is merely their superficial beauty they will have a very hard time with aging. Youth and beauty fades. If thats all you are then you are empty.

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RE: Body Image - 2/28/2008 2:43:49 AM   
MissMorrigan


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Status: offline 		Yep, corsets women still wore during pregnancy, and I'm sure that's largely why so many women experienced pre and post natal difficulties, and why there is a history of deformed feet in women. We are but faux peacocks.

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ORIGINAL: Foititis
I was thinking during the industrial revolution, you know with the ridiculous corsets and such.


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RE: Body Image - 2/28/2008 2:47:52 AM   
MissMorrigan


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Status: offline 		It's not just the fashion industry that's at fault, what with our obsession for cosmetic surgery... Take that lady, one of twins, I believe, she wanted to be 'different', so initially started on minor surgery for her nose, then her eyes, styled/coloured her hair differently, continued with breast augmentation, had liposuction and continued until she'd had hundreds of surgeries. Still never satisfied. So at what point do plastic surgeons become accountable for their actions in providing multiple cosmetic surgeries to the same person? It's insane, Luscious, people can be sectioned for self-harm, yet they can ethically go to a plastic surgeon and have them operate regularly on them - self harming by proxy!

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RE: Body Image - 2/28/2008 3:09:24 AM   
lusciouslips19


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Status: offline 		In the 80's there was this quirky little movie called Brazil. In it Katherine Helmand ( she played the grandma on who the boss) Played a plastic surgery loving middle aged woman. Her line was "just a Minor complication on top of a Minor complication". when things went continually wrong. At her funeral, the casket comes open and out pours gelatinous substance and a few bones. Kind of reminded me of Michael Jackson. I mean he was an adorable guy. Look what his body dysmorphism did to him?

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RE: Body Image - 2/28/2008 3:28:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		While I can appreciate that scene, Luscious, my rather sick sense of humour appreciates it and I think I'm going to have to see that film now, it's also quite pitiful when we consider the various ways in which people crucify themselves, plastic surgery, eating disorders, substance/alcohol abuse, promiscuity to name but a few.

I, for one, am glad to see more advertisements showing average people, whether they be the average housewife at a size 12 or 24. Keeping up with fashion/health is one thing, I like to see people taking care of themselves, but when we hit extremes clearly we need to see guidelines of acceptable practice with regard to cosmetic procedures/diet 'cures'.

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RE: Body Image - 2/28/2008 3:44:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan

While I can appreciate that scene, Luscious, my rather sick sense of humour appreciates it and I think I'm going to have to see that film now, it's also quite pitiful when we consider the various ways in which people crucify themselves, plastic surgery, eating disorders, substance/alcohol abuse, promiscuity to name but a few.

I, for one, am glad to see more advertisements showing average people, whether they be the average housewife at a size 12 or 24. Keeping up with fashion/health is one thing, I like to see people taking care of themselves, but when we hit extremes clearly we need to see guidelines of acceptable practice with regard to cosmetic procedures/diet 'cures'.


If money was no object, Id still  get lipo on my inner thighs and a tummy tuck due to my hanging belly from a c-section when my son was born. Many  think I should get my large nose done. I like my large nose and the ethnic look it gives me. I am not pressured by outside forces to change.
Dont flame me .

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RE: Body Image - 2/28/2008 3:59:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Aww, I dont think anyone should be flamed for their choices. I'm not anti-cosmetic surgery. I would like to see it better regulated to stop surgeons butchering people who clearly have a disorder.

By the way, I have a thing for large noses, I'm not sure why, but they're a huge turn on, so if you lived closer, and provided you didn't object, I'd lick it up and down like a lollipop!

I have also had a C section, the surgeon wasn't kind enough to give me a cosmetic one along the bikini line, he split me right up the middle as if he was performing a bloody autopsy! Still, my son arrived safely and that's all that matters. I have a wobbly belly, I did ponder on having a tummy tuck when I had gotten down to 9stones and despite daily trips to the gym, my belly still retained that slight wobbliness and overhang, not enough to make it seemingly disfiguring though and I've long since (I've had 23 years to learn to love it) made peace with it.

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RE: Body Image - 2/28/2008 4:02:50 AM   
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Aww, I dont think anyone should be flamed for their choices. I'm not anti-cosmetic surgery. I would like to see it better regulated to stop surgeons butchering people who clearly have a disorder.

By the way, I have a thing for large noses, I'm not sure why, but they're a huge turn on, so if you lived closer, and provided you didn't object, I'd lick it up and down like a lollipop!

I have also had a C section, the surgeon wasn't kind enough to give me a cosmetic one along the bikini line, he split me right up the middle as if he was performing a bloody autopsy! Still, my son arrived safely and that's all that matters. I have a wobbly belly, I did ponder on having a tummy tuck when I had gotten down to 9stones and despite daily trips to the gym, my belly still retained that slight wobbliness and overhang, not enough to make it seemingly disfiguring though and I've long since (I've had 23 years to learn to love it) made peace with it.


I got the bikini kind. It creates an overhang that I havent seen with being cut up and down. Previous to that although I was overweight I had good muscle tone. Really has not much to do with tone and everything to do with sagging skin and fascia.

Edited to say when I said I hated it my Sir said,"I earned it". We sure did,didnt we?

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RE: Body Image - 2/28/2008 4:27:34 AM   
aviinterra


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Status: offline 		I guess it does not bother me because I just ignore all the hype. I fail to see how a girlyboy will be able to make me look sexy, etc when he himself looks ridiculous and anorexic. I do believe we all should be paying attention to our ideal aka healthy ideal, not a fashionable current shape, which will just disappear in about a few years to morph into something totally opposite. 

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RE: Body Image - 2/28/2008 4:30:58 AM   
MissMorrigan


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Status: offline 		In my late teens/early twenties I weight trained, I went to the gym daily, did a two and a quarter hours workout, half of that being cardiovascular, the rest weights. I weighed far more than the recommended weight for my height, yet I was incredibly fit and also a size 16 - with my my arms/legs/chest impossible to fit into a lot of clothes, so I got into the habit of wearing looser clothes to accommodate my fairly muscular frame. 20plus years later and no longer training, I've put on considerably more weight. I tell people that underneath this veneer of fat lies a finely tuned retired athlete

You're right though, in one way or another we 'suffer' for our choices lol
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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
I got the bikini kind. It creates an overhang that I havent seen with being cut up and down. Previous to that although I was overweight I had good muscle tone. Really has not much to do with tone and everything to do with sagging skin and fascia.

Edited to say when I said I hated it my Sir said,"I earned it". We sure did,didnt we?

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RE: Body Image - 2/28/2008 4:31:21 AM   
aviinterra


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Status: offline 		Oh man were those corsets beautiful and painful at the same time. But it is an often overlooked fact that men wore those same corsets also in those times. Actually, men have worn corsets ( then called stays ) all the way back to the 1500s under the doublet ( which itself was boned usually ), letting go of the infernal contraption only for the 18th century, when they all had fans and wanted to be more colorful than the girls. :) Figure shape changes with the times, for both sexes, and if skinny is in now, big boned will be in within a few years or two decades. 

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