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Najakcharmer -> RE: Food and weight control, sadorexia (3/1/2008 9:10:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BlackPhx

That is why I said the sexual aspect was lacking and that they may not recognize it as a fetish. A lot of "vanilla" people also go to the extremes we do, without it being BDSM. They get just as much of a rush from their activities or satisfaction, be they rock climbers, marathoners, skate boarders.  I have watched some people at my local gym and what they do to themselves as they push past a wall is just as torturous as some of the stuff I do sexually. There is real pain on their faces and honestly I have never seen a marathon runner without agony on their faces as they cross the finish line even though they describe a euphoria that lets them keep going.

While there is no way that I would classify that as sexual pleasure (especially not for me) that is not to say they are not stimulating the same endorphins as pain play does.


That may be true for some people, but for others there is a very distinct difference in the kind of rush you get from pain play and the act of pushing past pain and fatigue barriers in the gym to get one more rep.  Of the gym rat kinksters I know (and work out with), the only ones who say that the endorphin experience is similar for them are the runners.  None of the lifters I know who are also kinksters find the experience similar.  My guess is that there probably are biochemical similarities during long duration endurance cardio, but not so much during anerobic activity. 




LAPhotogDaddy -> RE: Food and weight control, sadorexia (3/14/2008 1:39:31 PM)

I have been exposed to this in a multifaceted way over the years due to my profession and the people I work / socialize with and even those I date. I will approach this from a heterosexual, male-dom/female-sub perspective as it is my base of experience, but it could clearly be applied to other types of relationships.

I work in and around the entertainment / modeling / fashion industries. Those industries are full of what many would consider "disordered" eating, certainly by the standards of the average American. Over the past decade, I have worked with hundreds of models and actresses and almost to a person they are obsessively aware of their food intake.

Many girls I've worked with, a few that I have dated, as well as my current girlfriend (of two years) are by ANY standard gorgeous and thin. No one in the world (outside this industry anyway) would tell them they need to lose weight. But the pressures of being an actress in Hollywood, or if you're a model knowing your booker is going to weigh and measure you on a moment's notice, and the natural competition that exists between the women in those industries have many of them in the mental mode of always either wanting to shed a pound or two or aggressively maintain/monitor their weight.

In some cases, most especially where the girl is naturally submissive, these girls delight in a dominant boyfriend who will take this role.

What I would stress is that both sides must be fully on-board with it, and it must fit their respective personalities, and the girls' health must be ensured/protected. If these bases are covered, I think it is perfectly fine and fun activity.

I know of many couples in the industry who have relationships like this - including some very famous names which I'll obviously not mention here - it is not uncommon within this little world. Of course, it ranges greatly along a spectrum from the occasional "honey, don't let me eat that, please!" kind of thing on one side - all the way to full control, monitoring, and reward/punishment routines on the other.

To speak to my current experience, my girlfriend is a gorgeous commercial model who is very thin. She has a weakness for sweets, not the best self-control about food in general, and it's really hard for her to maintain her desired weight without "support". She is also very submissive. You can imagine this fits nicely together for her and for me. We both love it as a game of control, power, of aesthetic refinement, and frankly it helps her career, too.

As Sophia alludes to - the situations I'm talking about are never situations where a girl really needs to lose weight - it's frequently not the point for the sub. And, as Kana points out in his earlier post, it's often not the point for a dom, either. (Or at least, the actual weight loss or weight maintenance plays a bit part in the power exchange.)

There are plenty of fun ways to sexualize this, if appropriate for the relationship, which I won't go into here but some have been alluded to in the thread.

I hope this was helpful, interesting, and non-judgmental.





SkinnySlave -> RE: Food and weight control, sadorexia (3/17/2008 3:50:46 PM)

i have experienced a situation where a Domme was ordering me to eat and GAIN weight.  She wanted me rounder for her "play time."  She enjoyed a chain....




obagaar -> RE: Food and weight control, sadorexia (3/17/2008 4:43:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

~Fast Reply~

While Valyraen supports and helps me with losing weight in a d/s context, I don't see weight loss and food control ever being a kink for me. I don't think it would really work. I may lose the weight, I may be happy that I pleased them, but if anything ever happened to us I'll just gain the weight right back. Like quitting smoking, weight loss is ultimately something I have to do for myself, not for him.

Exactly how I feel about it. Before I even met Daddy here on collar me I had lost around 80 pounds on my own. I did it for me. I'm going to continue to try to lose some more probably, within reason. I still love and enjoy food. I find the concept that it's just "fuel" and not something to be enjoyed to be so stupid. I'd never be able to do that. I eat healthy, but I do sometimes indulge on a small scale. Its about balance. I have some chocolate, I eat healthy for the rest of the day and usually do extra exercise to work it off. When I was first searching for a Daddy here on Collar me, I ran into one who wanted to control my weight to the point of making me anorexic. A big hells no to that.




DarkSilentWishes -> RE: Food and weight control, sadorexia (3/20/2008 1:11:18 AM)

I myself have been extremely overweight for the last 10 years or so... When I am in a healthy relationship the weight seems to melt off... So, I can only imagine what having a positive dom or domme in my life would do for my overall general health :)




HalloweenWhite -> RE: Food and weight control, sadorexia (3/20/2008 3:44:44 AM)

I'd be interested in controlling what someone ate and how much, at least to a degree and it would be more about making sure the "right" food was eaten, I'd be wanting to restrict lots of sugar,fat, etc. Not sure how kinky that is though.




LAPhotogDaddy -> RE: Food and weight control, sadorexia (3/29/2008 12:36:58 AM)

yep, very different from the scenarios I was talking about, but heck, whatever works!!





LAPhotogDaddy -> RE: Food and weight control, sadorexia (8/11/2009 12:17:04 PM)

this seems to be getting a lot more popular these days.




SweetNika -> RE: Food and weight control, sadorexia (8/11/2009 12:27:42 PM)

Fast Reply :
I haven't read this entire thread. When I was owned I did enjoy my Master controlling what I ate and what I did throughout my day including excersice. For me it was about giving up the most basic things to his control.. more than it was about him wanting me to loose weight or anything else.





DavanKael -> RE: Food and weight control, sadorexia (8/11/2009 4:45:14 PM)

I haven't read the whole thread and scanned the first page of replies. 
There was a thread started not long ago about fasting in a potentially extreme way.  JockTrainee190, your interests seem to go quite a lot deeper than what that thread encompassed. 
As someone who, in my teens, dieted and exercised really extremely and unhealthily (And achieved what I intended), I find it laughable that someone could control my diet and exercise better than I could: afterall, it ultimately becomes a matter of discipline and choice and, from the mindset that I had then (And recall now) a mindset of pride, of compulsion, and there is, in my opinion, very much a rather sidelong sexual aspect to deprivation from food (And, I imagine over-indulgence but that was never my gig: restricters tend to look down on gorgers).  I took off about 20% of my bodyweight in a month and that takes radical control (And not at all a healthy mindset).  Lots of very interesting intellectual and emotional facets to undertaking such an action upon one's self.  Wise.  Hell no. 
What you describe, what I describe: humiliation and degradation are a part of it, so too are pride and narcissism. 
I will say the same things that I said on a fat thread awhile ago which is that if someone is damaging their bodies, it ought not be on the public dollar or dole.  Also, they ought not have anyone who relies upon their presence if they are doing extreme damage to themselves that has a relatively high likelihood of relatively prompt and untimely death. 
Now, to lesser degrees, I contemplate having a dietary regimen dictated to me hot...in small doses. 
Would I be likely to exercise to please my other...in doses, though I'm really pretty jazzed with the healthfulness of my current regimen (knock-on-wood) and highly recommend jiu jitsu as a fabulous work-out, among other things. 
< deep breath >  Would I allow someone to insult me 'for my own good', etc. to get me to eat and/or exercise in a particular way (Or over anything, for that matter)?  Hell, fuck no.  It took too much work within my own skull to redecorate a landscape that was damaged that is pretty healthy (Healthier than any of the doctors that stood in front of me when I was upto those behaviors ever gave me credit for being able to become). 
But, each unto their own and, again, I acknowledge the sexual high of food deprivation (Weird chemical rushes and such) along with the ancillary stuff of which you spoke. 
Best wishes,
  Davan





Level -> RE: Food and weight control, sadorexia (8/11/2009 6:04:46 PM)

Old-ish thread, but interesting.




barelynangel -> RE: Food and weight control, sadorexia (8/11/2009 6:24:42 PM)

OMG, lol i don't know if its a fetish but i lived like this with my former Master and i loved it -- i was in shape, sexy whoo hoo.  I would love to find another Man like that -- i do well with that type of expectation, passion, and attention, and standards -- most if his motivation was of course he and i wanted me looking damn good, being healthy, energetic, and fully under his control. 

I suck at maintaining weight and i am an instant gratification girl when i am on my own lol.  So having a Man who demands and controls same is what i enjoy.

angel




pyroaquatic -> RE: Food and weight control, sadorexia (8/11/2009 6:43:49 PM)

Hmm....

Sadorexia?

I weigh 125 pounds. I am five feet eight inches tall. I eat approximately 600-700 calories a day, not including coffee.
I drink lots of water. I run.... bike.... and tone my body. I end up doing yoga without even trying.... in the morning, evening, or whenever. Sucking in your guttywhuts is a technique in yoga. Beatboxing, which I have been doing for eleven years of my life now, is like Pranayama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pranayama)

I am interested in hot steamy brain sex.... though. I want to be so fucking beautiful for my Domme, where ever she is.


http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/533741 <- Benefits of Calorie Restriction.




leadership527 -> RE: Food and weight control, sadorexia (8/11/2009 6:49:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel
OMG, lol i don't know if its a fetish but i lived like this with my former Master

*laughs* I was thinking the same thing angel. I had no idea it was all so hot and fetishy. I just saw it as "proper care and feeding of my property". I mean seriously, if one owns a girl, then don't you kind of need to think about things like food and exercise and whatnot?




DavanKael -> RE: Food and weight control, sadorexia (8/11/2009 11:49:30 PM)

Pyro,
The brain alone requires 500 calories a day just to function. 
What you're describing is a constant deficit.  Given that your body and muscle mass aren't fully developed, you may wish to run this by doctors as it can affect all sorts of things like concentration, etc. 
  Davan




DavanKael -> RE: Food and weight control, sadorexia (8/11/2009 11:52:14 PM)

Oh, and adding that from the D-side of the kneel, I'd be far more likely to encourage a partner to add muscularity and bulk to a degree that I find aesthetically pleasing and that is healthful rather than an excessive paring down.  And, as for exercise: I guarantee a rigorous regimen that isn't nearly as boring as gym machines. 
Okay, need sleep. 
'night, folks----
  Davan




CougarStud -> RE: Food and weight control, sadorexia (8/12/2009 8:17:24 AM)

Great that this was bumped up to the top!

This is a big part of the type of training I offer and have me a sub not far from me that wishes to seek my guidance on these matters.  I also have a slave in Idaho who hopefully willbe joining me shortly that has just started this with me.  It will be much easier & enjoyable on a full time basis.  I especially like the orgasm control = fasting state.  I will go and re-read the OP's posts and get some great ideas.




LAPhotogDaddy -> RE: Food and weight control, sadorexia (8/12/2009 12:09:45 PM)

yep, i resurrected it because i've seen an "uptick" in chatter about this proclivity in some of my social circles... it interests me for the reasons i posted a while ago - and how it can (for some) intersect with career/professional interests...

i also read an interesting thread on InformedConsent a while back, here it is:

http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/posts/142945/0




CougarStud -> RE: Food and weight control, sadorexia (8/12/2009 2:28:49 PM)

thanks LA Photog




TazDevil -> RE: Food and weight control, sadorexia (8/12/2009 3:21:36 PM)

biglosser rules it not how little you eat it what you eat, and some times to lose wight you have to dodooooooooooo dear I say it EAT MORE, just of the right kind of food

so why would I make you eat less when that just make you, bigger, make you eat the right food, I could be all over that




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