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Between lifestyle and pro domme - 3/1/2008 9:24:55 AM   
flsubdude


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Are there any options for a married submissive man other than pro dommes? If a sub is married to someone who is vanilla and would never understand the lifestyle is there a chance to find something that is mutually beneficial. This would be strictly bdsm not sexual. The main issue i guess is that one would have to lie to his wife to make this work. Lying to the Domme would not be an option.

Please let me know if anyone has thoughts on this.
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RE: Between lifestyle and pro domme - 3/1/2008 9:49:42 AM   
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Your options are roughly equal to what you have to offer.

You would have to find one of the very few lifestyle dommes who would be willing to take on a man in your situation, and then somehow be more interesting to her than the MANY other married men also vying for her attention. 


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RE: Between lifestyle and pro domme - 3/1/2008 10:22:29 AM   
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Hmmm Firstly i would question why you got married in the first place if its such an important issue. I hate cheating i understand a desire for more than one person and thats fine in an enviroment in which you are honest about that desire. Sure you can find a Domme i am sure that will put up with your being married, but seriously you need to think about what is more important. How badly would your wife react? couldnt you broach the subject with her? 

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RE: Between lifestyle and pro domme - 3/1/2008 11:42:03 AM   
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The main issue is that one would have to lie to his wife..


i appreciate the hunger you have raging inside you, we have all been there, but if you sacrafice your integrity in this process you can count your own life among the corpses and twisted metal of this train wreck.

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RE: Between lifestyle and pro domme - 3/1/2008 12:04:15 PM   
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Ok.  I'm one of the few.  Don't think that's going to be a major bonus for you, since I'm rather opinionated on the subject.

I'm a married Domme who has a married submissive.  In no way is anyone in this dynamic being less than honorable about the situation.  I happen to be poly.  Not only does My husband know My submissive, he is often there when we play together.  There's no cheating, no lying, no hiding.  If I couldn't be doing this without My husband's knowledge, I wouldn't be doing it.

I talked with My (now) submissive's wife before I ever laid a flogger on him.  I made sure that she knew what he was doing and had permission to be seeking play.  The wife is kept up to date on activities, and is informed of what those activites are, within her personal comfort level.  I don't involve Myself in their relationship, but I don't tolerate any sneaking or dishonesty.  Yes, I'm sure of it.  I've talked with her several times and even did the dinner thing over Christmas as one big family.

If any of these conditions didn't exist, the situation wouldn't be what it is.  I'm not willing to compromise My personal standards to accept less.  I have no interest in any married submissive who could not be fully honest with his SO.  Time and time again, there will always be those who will cite the extreme cases of exceptions (oh, the SO is fatally ill, the marriage is falling apart, the wife is disgusted by BDSM, etc.) but I really want nothing to do with those either.  I don't need the drama that comes with all of that, and I'm not looking for a charity case, or to solve anyone's personal problems.  I don't need the headache, and frankly, My opinion of those situations is, solve the issues first, then get into the lifestyle.  Nobody needs that much baggage, including you, so lighten the load first.

Not exactly what you probably expected to hear from a poly Domme with a married sub, but it's worked for Me for a long time.

Edited for some spacing issues.  These questions just irk Me.


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RE: Between lifestyle and pro domme - 3/1/2008 12:06:51 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: flsubdude

Are there any options for a married submissive man other than pro dommes? If a sub is married to someone who is vanilla and would never understand the lifestyle is there a chance to find something that is mutually beneficial. This would be strictly bdsm not sexual. The main issue i guess is that one would have to lie to his wife to make this work. Lying to the Domme would not be an option.

Please let me know if anyone has thoughts on this.


Depends on what you are doing. If you are being honest with your wife and the other woman can meet your wife, you've probably got a decent chance.Otherwise you are pretty damn restricted. Try working with your wife, you've probably got better odds there.

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RE: Between lifestyle and pro domme - 3/1/2008 12:34:56 PM   
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Think about what you wrote.  Telling the truth to your wife -- whom you have known for X many years -- is not an option.  Meanwhile, lying to a Domme -- someone you have not yet even met -- is not an option either.  Doesn't this seem a little, well, nuts?

You're getting good advice on this thread, from people in working, functional relationships.  Please take it seriously.


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RE: Between lifestyle and pro domme - 3/1/2008 2:16:52 PM   
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Essentially, what Lady Pact said.  I will take on married submissives IF I have the full knowledge of the spouse. 

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RE: Between lifestyle and pro domme - 3/1/2008 2:40:14 PM   
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I just love the use of the phrase "married to someone who is vanilla and would never understand". 

How would you know, since the implication is you've never asked?  Your options are:
a: Give it up, you're married and she's not interested.  Your submission can only exist in service to the relationship.
b: Admit it, talk to her, ask her for understanding and work towards a solution
c: Leave the relationship, you're clearly not compatible

You've made an assumption, probalby lots of them. You've taken her choice away, and by seeking out a relationship outside the marriage, put your safety and hers at risk.  I have little sympathy for those who state their partner 'doesnt know and would never understand'.  I have far more empathy for those who have tried to work things through, seen a therapist, and found they could not meet in the middle. If you are looking for more than a monetary trasnaction for services rendered in the realm of pro's, I suggest you broaden your efforts.  The possibility of finding a willing Dominant for a married cheating sub man is remote.

*Disclaimer, Being polyamorous myself I do not apply any of the above to a consensual open relationship. 



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RE: Between lifestyle and pro domme - 3/2/2008 1:29:14 PM   
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Thanks for all the responses!

I guess I knew the answer before I asked.

If anybody is interested I did tell my wife last night. It is really sureal I can't believe I actually told her. It was rather intense. We stayed up all night talking, crying, yelling etc... But I am glad I did it.

I don't think she completely understands but maybe over time she will. I am not going to seek anything anymore besides trying to work on our relationship. I am going to just try to do everything I can to make her happy and maybe someday I will have what I've been looking for but with her. She did say that she could not really see me as a submissive nor her as a dominant. But we are still together. I did suggest that we go to counseling.

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RE: Between lifestyle and pro domme - 3/2/2008 2:24:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: flsubdude

Are there any options for a married submissive man other than pro dommes? If a sub is married to someone who is vanilla and would never understand the lifestyle is there a chance to find something that is mutually beneficial. This would be strictly bdsm not sexual. The main issue i guess is that one would have to lie to his wife to make this work. Lying to the Domme would not be an option.

Please let me know if anyone has thoughts on this.


Well, since I've never believed in cheating, for any reason, either when I was married (and I had plenty of reasons to consider it), or now that I'm single...I'd say you have multiple options, the most logical one of course based on your above comments, would be divorce.

It amazes me that lying to someone you would hopefully claim as your best friend, shared your life with, built a future and a past with...is a requirement, but to someone you've yet to even meet, it's simply unnacceptable.

(That's actually even funny).

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RE: Between lifestyle and pro domme - 3/2/2008 3:12:47 PM   
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Thanks for the advice! I'm glad I was here to amuse you.

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RE: Between lifestyle and pro domme - 3/2/2008 11:08:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: flsubdude

Are there any options for a married submissive man other than pro dommes? If a sub is married to someone who is vanilla and would never understand the lifestyle is there a chance to find something that is mutually beneficial. This would be strictly bdsm not sexual. The main issue i guess is that one would have to lie to his wife to make this work. Lying to the Domme would not be an option.

Please let me know if anyone has thoughts on this.


For a personal sub, this doesn't really offer much to the domina... that's why most will tell you to go to a pro and those of us who are pro will see you on a professional basis and mostly refuse you as a personal sub.

Think of it from our end:  How much of yourself can you really offer?  I can think of a few scenarios where it would be workable and worthwhile but those are all pretty limited and narrow... and involve some amount of cash, still, though not in a professional session way.

If you're hiding it from your spouse your offerings to a domme of time, self, and use are severely limited in the majority of cases.  You're basically setting up a situation where you have a female who is *supposedly* the dominant, calling the shots in the relationship, instead having to work *completely* on your time, in your way, with little to no actual control going on.  I can only see some very specific fetish interests being able to be met in this case; it's not a rounded-out relationship of D/s open to the dominant so your options are few, even putting aside concerns about honesty and whatnot!

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RE: Between lifestyle and pro domme - 3/3/2008 1:27:17 AM   
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Well good on you for telling your wife, that's a hard thing to do. At least she didn't totally freak out, shoot you, stab you or call the police to arrest you so it's not all bad!

How well do you understand what bdsm and D/s is all about? If you are totally new and inexperienced, it is possible you haven't explained it all that well or clearly. It would be good to find some good reading material to share together, and also to find a Mentor who can answer questions that you and she may have. For eg, did you concentrate on the "whips and chains" ie the play aspect, which can be pretty scary to a vanilla, or did you focus on the service and pampering aspects? The latter could be much more appealing! It would be a rare woman who wouldn't appreciate her man taking on more chores willingly, and pampering her with intimate services without expecting her to reciprocate all the time. It would be a good idea to get in touch with a local group of people (I'm sure there must be some in Florida) with whom you can meet for social occasions such as munches. It can be a huge relief to the vanilla partner to see that quite normal looking people engage in this stuff! And it can whet their appetite to find out more. Also be sure to talk about all the good values and behaviours involved ... trust, honesty, respect, obedience ... don't just focus on the kinky stuff. I found that it was also useful to explain about power exchange ... and that it occurs in every relationship, it's just not usually overt. It's "under the table" ... I am sure there are things in your marriage where the power flows (or is grabbed!) back and forth all the time. It could be in something so simple as who decides what to have for dinner. Then explain that in D/s, the power exchange IS overt, it's on the table, and openly discussed and negotiated. That it is a way of creating a clear structure in which to live ... which gets away from a whole lot of bitching and repetitive hassles! That can make it pretty attractive to some relationships too.

If you want to go to counselling, go to a kink friendly one, or you might both be told this is sick and twisted and that actually won't help either of you OR your marriage. She wouldn't want to be worrying about you being sick and twisted ... or about being married to someone who is sick and twisted! I am sure there are kink friendly therapists in your area, and with luck someone kind will post a link.

As a side note, I am one of those lifestyle Dommes who is prepared to play with a married sub under certain conditions. I don't insist his wife knows all (I don't believe I have the right to nonconsensually involve her ... that has to be his call as she's his wife), but I do insist that there are no lies involved (ie no elaborate lies about where he is ... it has to be the sort of relationship where he can say he is visiting a friend and that's OK with her), and absolutely no sex. I limit the scene to sensation and impact play, in which case I see it as no different from going to a therapist for therapeutic massage or going fishing if that's what helps someone unwind! It's basically stress relief. And hopefully it sends him home happier, relaxed, his itch scratched, so he is more able to be a better husband to her. I know not everyone will agree with this approach, so please remember the TOS and don't flame Me! Everyone's morals, values, integrity is different, this works for Me. However I also wouldn't take on such a sub as a permanent one, he would be an occasional play partner at best. Or it could be an introduction session ... one such newbie decided it really wasn't for him and went home determined to stay vanilla. Fine, no harm done and his marriage is A-OK. Another decided it totally was for him so bravely told his wife ... she was one who did freak out ... despite efforts, the marriage ended and that was probably the best outcome as he didn't want to spend his life cheating on her and yet he couldn't give this up. And a third was in the middle ... loved it, plucked up courage to tell her, she was initially shocked ... then curious ... so he introduced her to Me ... she decided to give it a go being his Domme ... last I heard they were going great and she had got him making all kinds of bdsm furniture! There is of course no guarantee that now you have told her, that she is naturally going to find she has a Dominant side. Depends on the criteria you used when you chose her to be your wife! But hopefully, with lots of quality information, she can at least be open-minded and give it a go.

Good luck!
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