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Vanilla? - 9/21/2005 11:19:20 PM   
ChastityLocked


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Status: offline 		Now, ive been into bdsm and the whole "scene" for a few years, but untill I came to this website, i NEVER heard of the phrase "vanilla". Now some may think im a blithering idiot or stupid, but i never knew a "un/inexperienced" person was called "vanilla". I Looked the definition up, and the last definition was the one used for "un/inexperienced". Why does everyone use this term? How did it all get started? and why is it seem like ONLY people into bondage and bdsm call an un/inexperienced person vanilla?
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RE: Vanilla? - 9/21/2005 11:26:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have found that vanilla is a term used to describe someone not into the "lifestyle"
As to why, because vanilla ice cream is a bit plain… and there are lots of other ways to enjoy it…
Newbie it the term I hear most often for someone just starting out… that or fresh meat LOL
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RE: Vanilla? - 9/21/2005 11:52:00 PM   
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How did it all get started? and why is it seem like ONLY people into bondage and bdsm call an un/inexperienced person vanilla?


The use of "Vanilla" to describe anything plain or basic is very common, at least in the parts of the US that I've lived.

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RE: Vanilla? - 9/22/2005 3:04:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		hmmnn. I think that men who prefer panyhose to thigh highs are "vanilla"

joking, really!

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RE: Vanilla? - 9/22/2005 4:11:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Years ago, when I was involved in the SCA (a medieval recreation group), we used to refer to the non-SCA people as "mundane".

Funny. Not long after I became non-vanilla (i.e. involved in the lifestyle), I in effect became "mundane" as I dropped out of the SCA LOL

My point is that most groups have some sort of term for "not one of us". I don't see it as a judgement...just a differentiation.

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RE: Vanilla? - 9/22/2005 4:23:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phoenxx

I have found that vanilla is a term used to describe someone not into the "lifestyle"
As to why, because vanilla ice cream is a bit plain… and there are lots of other ways to enjoy it…
Newbie it the term I hear most often for someone just starting out… that or fresh meat LOL
Tony



This is the usage I've also seen.

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RE: Vanilla? - 9/22/2005 4:47:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

hmmnn. I think that men who prefer panyhose to thigh highs are "vanilla"

joking, really!

I always regarded "vanilla" as meaning something that's common or everyday....

And I'm safe - definitely "thigh highs" as my preference! No joking here, but.... lol

Focus51.

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RE: Vanilla? - 9/22/2005 4:55:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Vanilla: A basic ice cream flavour. It is ideal to blend and alter in which ever way you like (Like some people)

Vanilla (essence): Comes from the exotic vanilla bean where the pods and the seed mush is used to add a specific sweetish flavour to food. Also is a scent sometimes used in incense.

Vanilla ~ People: Like ice cream and your basic ordinary people who are not kingsters in any way shape or form, although some will use some BDSM techniques in their sex play. (Bondage is one favourite). Like the ice cream, some vanilla people are easily moulded and may even be corrupted when they discover their kink side.


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RE: Vanilla? - 9/22/2005 9:58:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Vanilla, simply put is an internet term. Prior to the internet I had never heard it. Although there was also a much smaller segment of society.
It is one of the few words that has caught on with the masses involved in the lifestyle.

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RE: Vanilla? - 9/22/2005 10:17:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ChastityLocked

Now, ive been into bdsm and the whole "scene" for a few years, but untill I came to this website, i NEVER heard of the phrase "vanilla". Now some may think im a blithering idiot or stupid, but i never knew a "un/inexperienced" person was called "vanilla". I Looked the definition up, and the last definition was the one used for "un/inexperienced". Why does everyone use this term? How did it all get started? and why is it seem like ONLY people into bondage and bdsm call an un/inexperienced person vanilla?


I don't use the term to refer to the un/inexperienced, only to those who aren't kinky -- that's a preference or interest, not about experience in my not too humble opinion.

I think its a good metaphor. Vanilla is the number one flavor of ice cream in the USA every time I see a survey or study on it -- kinky can vary from stuff added to vanilla to something quite different.

Or to quote a very good introductory movie on Kink -- think of sex as making a sundae.

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RE: Vanilla? - 9/22/2005 10:39:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		The word used for "inexperienced" is usually "newbie."

Vanilla is usually used to mean "not into kink/not into anything out of the norm"

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RE: Vanilla? - 9/22/2005 7:32:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		ive always used vanilla to refer to things outside of BDSM

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RE: Vanilla? - 9/23/2005 1:27:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Vanilla is a multifacetous word. It can be used to describe those people who do not participate in the lifestyle at all. It can be used to describe any aspect of your life that does not fit into the lifestyle, such as work, religion, etc. It can describe the people that don't fit into your place in the lifestyle. It's basically just a handy definition for ordinary and not pertaining to BDSM in any way.

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RE: Vanilla? - 9/23/2005 1:45:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NakedOnMyChain

Vanilla is a multifacetous word. It can be used to describe those people who do not participate in the lifestyle at all. It can be used to describe any aspect of your life that does not fit into the lifestyle, such as work, religion, etc. It can describe the people that don't fit into your place in the lifestyle. It's basically just a handy definition for ordinary and not pertaining to BDSM in any way.


I've also come accross Vanilla usage in R/L as refering to people who are not of the Pagan persuasion or who don't follow local football so it may well be that the BDSM terminology is invading the rest of the communication....

Do we need a new word? Maybe a secret handshake too?

In the SCA in Western Australia, we used to refer those who were not into Medieval Lifestyles or re-enactment, as "Mundanes"..... At least we done use the term "Muggles" that would be too much.

I tend to thing of those not into the general BDSM, D/s, M/s and Gor as mundane but its a term I'm comfortable with. I use vanilla only when in company to facilitate understandable conversation.

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RE: Vanilla? - 9/23/2005 2:14:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		LOL. I had that exact thought about muggles when I wrote the above post. I almost included it, then decided it was extraneous. I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing those similarities in this thread.

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RE: Vanilla? - 9/23/2005 3:15:16 AM   
MissChicane


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RE: Vanilla? - 9/23/2005 3:19:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2

The word used for "inexperienced" is usually "newbie."

Vanilla is usually used to mean "not into kink/not into anything out of the norm"


Or to get more nerdy

a Newb or noob or n00b

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RE: Vanilla? - 9/23/2005 3:23:13 AM   
IronBear


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ORIGINAL: MissChicane

i want a secret BDSM handshake


Stand facing me with your legs wide apart and well balanced..

Extend your right hand keeping it parallel to the ground.

I will extend my right hand the same way.

We now clasp forearms as I snap the cuffs attached to my left wrist onto your right wrist…..

Grins with a huge wicked grin





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RE: Vanilla? - 9/23/2005 3:25:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sub4hire

Vanilla, simply put is an internet term. Prior to the internet I had never heard it. Although there was also a much smaller segment of society.
It is one of the few words that has caught on with the masses involved in the lifestyle.



It is no internet term. I heard it used in 1986 for the first time, by a german man in Berlin. He was talking about his sister and that she was vanilla. It was used in the same way Obis described it. The only explanation i have is that - due to the american troops in Berlin - the Berliner were american english influenced. In other parts of Germany was english (british) more prevalent.

So it is certainly no internet term, but a term who spread quickly because of the internet.

Morgaine289

PS I am now inclined to find out, how he came to use the term. I will keep you informed:-), i still have contact with him.

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RE: Vanilla? - 9/23/2005 7:49:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree it is just an internet term. I never hear it outside of the net.


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