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pinkpleasures -> What will happen to us after Rita? (9/22/2005 10:54:49 AM)

i am no economist nor actuary...just a regular person. i am hearing news reports that heating oil will go up 5xs and the gas we buy will be rationed again. i also hear gas will cost $6 a gallon. i am certainly more concerned about the lives and property at stake when Rita hits, but what do you think will happen to those of us not in the storm's path?

pinkpleasures




JohnWarren -> RE: What will happen to us after Rita? (9/22/2005 11:09:14 AM)

I don't know about "us" but the oil companies will get a lot richer. Oh, yah, it's out of their control, but what nobody is mentioning is that as stock companies they have to put out quarterly reports and those are showing record profits now. Imagine what will happen if they have an excuse to charge five buck for a gallon of gas.




Quivver -> RE: What will happen to us after Rita? (9/22/2005 11:23:04 AM)

Ya know Pink I think in many ways the *slide* many have been on since 9/11
is going to get steeper and slicker. I've spoken to some who have altered their
way of life due to the gas prices, commuters who have quit jobs or now bunk 45
miles from home M-F. I've also seen others doing alot of wood chopping for when
the fuel oil and or propane runs out of their tanks in anticipation of that kind
of increase becoming impossible to pay for refilling. As an individual I'm conserned,
yet find my hands tied (and not in a good way) as to what I can personally do.
All I can think is that *R* word, recession.

Q, looking up while wearing her Chicken Little suit




pinkpleasures -> RE: What will happen to us after Rita? (9/22/2005 11:29:01 AM)

i already live in a state experiencing a recession, and in a city -- Cleveland-- tettering on the brink of bankruptcy. If companies inside the city limits go away, the city will find it impossible to continue services such as garbage collection, police and fire. There are so many ramifications of this and none of them good.

i feel so bad for the refugees, but i feel bad too for people who moved down south because they thought jobs were there.

it's not clear to me how oil companies would be enriched by devastation of their refineries...i'd bet their insurance coverage is inadequate and i wonder how many insurance companies will throw in the towel and just go to liquidation rather than pay claims.

i feel afraid.

pinkpleasures




EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: What will happen to us after Rita? (9/22/2005 12:14:00 PM)

Well and we're not even touching yet on the macro issues of borrowing money against the future, interest rates, global perception, et al.

It's generally why I don't get into political/economical discussion, there's just too many variables and issues that go on to a much higher degree of understanding and background and impact that I have no clue on.




krikket -> RE: What will happen to us after Rita? (9/22/2005 1:02:20 PM)

Living near the nation's capitol, i've often thought that if someone could figure out a way to bottle all the "hot air" around here, they could make a bloody fortune, and maybe it would cost me less..lol.

i'm like emeraldslave in that i rarely get into political or soco-economic issues, not cuz of the variables involved, but cuz i'm easily confused..lol. This time, however, what is going to happen to "us" scares me spitless. My heating bills cost close to $300 a month during the winter, and i can't imagine paying more. i absolutely hate asking my sons for help, but i may not have any choice.

Congress is, of course, going to investigate the oil companies and their stock, raising prices, etc., but i'm not gonna hold my breath that it will help anyone but someone trying to get re-elected. Geez, i've become jaded in my old age..<g>

cheers
jimini




EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: What will happen to us after Rita? (9/22/2005 1:11:51 PM)

Krikket, lol maybe it's also because we DO live in such a socio-political hotbed that we stay out of the water rather than drown in half-understandings.




fastlane -> RE: What will happen to us after Rita? (9/22/2005 1:51:02 PM)

I would suggest that we get out of IRAQ and begin to look at rebuilding our own infrastructure not another countries......call me selfish, I don't care.[:)]




girl4you2 -> RE: What will happen to us after Rita? (9/22/2005 2:23:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pinkpleasures



i feel so bad for the refugees, but i feel bad too for people who moved down south because they thought jobs were there.

it's not clear to me how oil companies would be enriched by devastation of their refineries..pinkpleasures



people who are displaced aren't refugees, they are citizens of this country. in addition, most people who live in the south were either born there, or moved and stayed for reasons other than jobs. i believe the statistics for new orleans were at least 77% of the population were born in that city. the south is an interesting place, and one in which a sense of family, connectivity with the past, and the unique culture tend to lean towards a proclivity for staying near to where one grew up. generations of families stay together. many who move to the area for one reason or another stay for similar reasons.

as to the oil companies, somehow they always get by, and quite well.




girl4you2 -> RE: What will happen to us after Rita? (9/22/2005 2:26:03 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: fastlane

I would suggest that we get out of IRAQ and begin to look at rebuilding our own infrastructure not another countries......call me selfish, I don't care.[:)]


isn't that heresy?

wishing to rebuild the infrastructure of one's own country sounds caring to me.




Lordandmaster -> RE: What will happen to us after Rita? (9/22/2005 2:30:36 PM)

Let's see...if we're lucky, we'll vote out the Republicans, figure out a way to stop relying on fossil fuels, and start taking global warming seriously (since that's what's causing all the hurricanes anyway).

Too bad none of it seems very likely.




JohnWarren -> RE: What will happen to us after Rita? (9/22/2005 2:31:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: pinkpleasures
it's not clear to me how oil companies would be enriched by devastation of their refineries...i'd bet their insurance coverage is inadequate and i wonder how many insurance companies will throw in the towel and just go to liquidation rather than pay claims.



You'd lose that bet.

Tell you want, Pink. Buy one share of stock from each of the oil companies. That will mean you get their quarterly reports mailed automatically to you. Check the next quarterly report from each company and see their profit level.

I have considerably more than one share, but one is all that is legally needed. You'll find it interesting reading,

You can also get them from any large public library, but mail is easier... and the share isn't going to lose any money at least for the next two years.




Mercnbeth -> RE: What will happen to us after Rita? (9/22/2005 2:45:25 PM)

Short term high cost of fuel, maybe $4 - 5 / gal; because of broken supply lines and the refineries being shut down. Yes the oil companies will be making more money than they can count but until we allow a new refinery to be built or (GOD FORBID!!!~) an atomic power plant; they are the only game in town. Unless of course you want the government to take over and privatize the oil industry. But that would be socialist and fodder for a different tread. But I digress. Meanwhile, fuel heating oil may be as high as 3 times last winter's price contingent on the weather. If it's a cold winter maybe even higher. Low supply, high demand, equal higher cost.

By spring, barring any other disaster, natural or terrorist you will see one of the greatest economic booms in recent times. The entire gulf coast needs to be rebuilt. Insurance and government money will be paying the cost. EVERY construction and raw materials corporation will realize record profits. Any person wanting to work in the construction industry will be employed. Skilled laborers will be able to demand top dollar but even the general unskilled laborer will have all the work they want. Supporting businesses, such as supply houses, warehouses, trucking, and the manufacturing of hard goods will also be working at peak capacity. Traditional retailers, such as Macy's, Sears, and the other Mall type stores will be looking at a lean holiday season. There won't be much holiday spending available.

Subsequently inflation will be back in a BIG way. Interest rates will be rising as the Fed tries to govern the "growth". The biggest impact will be to the housing market which, except for the CA coastal market, will finally see some depressed pricing. We could see a mass exodus from the colder northern climates to the gulf coast. The weather will be contributory, but that will also be where the work is. It will be like the last 10 years of Los Vegas spread across a much wider area of the country.

Politically, 2006 is an election year. I doubt that any rationing or price control will come into play unless there is another disaster behind Katrina and Rita. It would be political suicide for both sides of the aisle. Remember, regardless of party, when there is that type of drastic impact to the public's standard of living they will ALWAYS vote out who's ever in.

Buy raw materials and construction company stock. Sell or go long on your real estates holding, but make sure you're not trapped by a bad floating interest rate mortgage. If you have any air line stock try your best to give it away. The entertainment sector, casinos, cruise lines, resorts will also have a difficult time making projections. More people will just stay home. An interesting possibility could be that the home gaming/entertainment based industries could see a real increased demand. October is always the month when things happen in the financial markets. Companies will be pushing to make budget. Corporate officers will begin to "manage" their businesses so they can achieve their year end bonuses. This year's October will be very interesting.

Add the potential "wild card" of a large scale terrorist attack such as a small nuclear bomb or even a "dirty bomb" going off in the middle of any US city between now and the end of the year all bets are off. In that event, I'd expect Marshall Law at best - anarchy and civil war at worst.

[8|] But that's just my answer to the question you asked.




frenchpet -> RE: What will happen to us after Rita? (9/22/2005 2:46:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster
...figure out a way to stop relying on fossil fuels, and start taking global warming seriously (since that's what's causing all the hurricanes anyway).

Of course what causes hurricanes is hot water, but an alternative to your anti-patriotic proposal would be to burn additional gazillions of tons of oil in order to pump the hot water from the Carribeans to the Guinea Gulf so the Africans would get the hurricanes, or to reverse the Gulf Stream, which would also solve the problem. Plus John Warren would get more profit from his shares :).




mnottertail -> RE: What will happen to us after Rita? (9/22/2005 3:14:30 PM)

On a more personal level,
Buy the piss out of plywood and studs............ if you got a place to store em.

They are gonna go out the door in the spring.

Ron





Lordandmaster -> RE: What will happen to us after Rita? (9/22/2005 3:17:53 PM)

Hey, just think, if the jetstream shuts down and we enter a new Ice Age, there probably won't be as many hurricanes.




girl4you2 -> RE: What will happen to us after Rita? (9/22/2005 3:28:33 PM)

i wonder why it is that the fields of windmills in california are the last forms of energy to come on and they are the first to shut off? could there be something in the equation other than clean, not overly expensive energy? the mind reels at all of the possible answers.




girl4you2 -> RE: What will happen to us after Rita? (9/22/2005 3:30:52 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Hey, just think, if the jetstream shuts down and we enter a new Ice Age, there probably won't be as many hurricanes.


so, i'm getting back my exxon stock (because it is doing very well and will continue to do so), and consider getting a very large ice pick. mess with the gulf stream and life will change considerably.




girl4you2 -> RE: What will happen to us after Rita? (9/22/2005 3:34:08 PM)





quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Hey, just think, if the jetstream shuts down and we enter a new Ice Age, there probably won't be as many hurricanes.


thinking about changing the gulf stream, do you think the army corps of engineers will be setting up a task force to work on this idea? i'm not sure if that would be a city project, state project, or federal project. oh how my head hurts from trying to figure out all these things.




pinkpleasures -> RE: What will happen to us after Rita? (9/22/2005 3:51:00 PM)

quote:

You'd lose that bet.

Tell you want, Pink. Buy one share of stock from each of the oil companies. That will mean you get their quarterly reports mailed automatically to you. Check the next quarterly report from each company and see their profit level.

I have considerably more than one share, but one is all that is legally needed. You'll find it interesting reading,

You can also get them from any large public library, but mail is easier... and the share isn't going to lose any money at least for the next two years.

JohnWarren


This is a personal matter i cannot ignore...my small pension goes 50% for rent and heat (as of last winter, which hung on till April). i am trying to decide whether to seek employment (i am permitted a small amount over my pension) or not...at a time when i am ill. i am really scared.

And BTW, i agree with Lam; Jeb Bush is next in line to run for President and he is a man i KNOW is untrustworthy and retaliatory. i envision Jeb vs Hilary and i grow ill at the thought. *sigh*

pinkpleasures




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