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farglebargle -> Why We Sued The Phone Company (3/3/2008 5:55:08 PM)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0302phonemar02,0,5245341.story

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By Studs Terkel, Quentin Young, Barbara Flynn Currie and James Montgomery
March 2, 2008

More than six years after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, the Bush administration remains committed to using the specter of those attacks (and other possible new attacks) as justification for reckless, unlawful and unconstitutional behavior. This pattern can be seen most clearly in the current effort in Congress to grant the administration unchecked power to spy on Americans and to forgive in advance large corporate entities for illegal behavior.




SugarMyChurro -> RE: Why We Sued The Phone Company (3/3/2008 6:07:45 PM)

Excellent op ed!





domiguy -> RE: Why We Sued The Phone Company (3/3/2008 6:16:16 PM)

It never ceases to amaze me that people will just fall under the bus when the government cites security as the reason for dismissing our rights.

People are all to quick to point out "if you are not doing anything wrong then you have got nothing to worry about."

I have never been one to hand over my rights without knowing full well that whatever good intentions might have originally been pursued by our government will soon be bastardized and the very power that was once sought to protect us will be utilized in a way that will inevitably cause us more harm than good.




CuriousLord -> RE: Why We Sued The Phone Company (3/3/2008 6:21:04 PM)

The wonderful thing about this debate- the thing that it highlights so marvelously- is the vast gulf in perspectives between individuals.

So many of the men behind the Bush administration's efforts are truly hard-working men concerned for the safety and well being of the US with no intention of misusing any powers afforded to them.

So many of those firmly against it are idealistic, truly concerned for the misuse and pontential for loss of rights and human dignity from these laws.

Then there's the millions of assholes which screw up what could've been a mutual understanding.




servantforuse -> RE: Why We Sued The Phone Company (3/3/2008 6:24:24 PM)

The large Phone Companies will get imunity from being sued. Congress knows that they will need their cooperation in the future.




SugarMyChurro -> RE: Why We Sued The Phone Company (3/3/2008 6:49:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord
So many of the men behind the Bush administration's efforts are truly hard-working men concerned for the safety and well being of the US with no intention of misusing any powers afforded to them.


Don't take this the wrong way, but I am old enough to no longer believe in the part quoted above.

They know exactly what they are doing every step of the way. They double-check everything with lawyers who know the score Constitutionally - then they ask the lawyers to find the way around the law. And yes, they absolutely renege on their oaths of office to support and defend the U.S. Constitution.

Do the research. It's out there from sources like PBS and the BBC (by which I mean only that they are presumed to generally be reliable sources).

They know full well AND still violate the law of the land.




epiphiny43 -> RE: Why We Sued The Phone Company (3/3/2008 6:55:06 PM)

As far as the honorable intentions of honest men in the administration, two words, Guantanamo Bay. We have a modern version of the Nazi camps, which has now held inmates longer than the whole of WWII, and people say, "It's for a good cause." Himmler and Goebbels would be proud. Their students are well versed. (We'll talk later about the almost complete failure of the Defense Dept. Command structure to stop the civilians (or even speak up, other than Gen. Kenseki) from initiating an impossible project with completely inadequate forces. A whole re-think of the Command Training syllabus is in the works at the Army War College from this.)
The most charitable interpretation I can come up with is that the partisan struggles for elected office have deeply perverted the whole political process in the US, on the Conservative side, for sure, likely most everywhere. Personally, I'll give greed and hubris even more credit. Interesting that purported Conservatives have done the most damage ever to the nation's fiscal position and stability, government freedom from corporate influence (OK, that's always been their shameful addiction.), states rights and constitutional principles. EVER!.
Did anyone see it coming that the Democrats are the only ones even talking about a balanced budget? What don't the American people understand about the impossibility of 'unlimited credit'? On a personal or national level. Whatever intellectual honesty exists in the White House isn't allowed to influence actual policy, or even see daylight when the Homeland security agency is functioning. Millions for box cutters and cigarette lighters at airports, and 90% of shipping containers enter US ports with no inspection. This all reads like some Latin American Magical Realism fugue state.
Which culture held that it was a curse to say, "May you live in interesting times."?
Once more, a Real lesson on how important choosing Supreme Court Justices is. "Hanging chads" anyone? Where's that 'way back machine' when we need it?




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