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LadyHibiscus -> Real vs Ideal: Should we compromise? (9/22/2005 7:45:06 PM)

We've all got fantasies. We've all got expectations. Some of them are more important than others. How much do we expect our fantasies to play into our real lives? Should we figure it's all hooey, and settle for whatever we can get, or is it possible to get what we really want?




PetTeacher -> RE: Real vs Ideal: Should we compromise? (9/22/2005 9:09:20 PM)

Nope, our fantasies (at least mine) are not all hooey.

Are you referring to little details of the fantasy or the big picture? Little details I think we can compromise but the big picture I would not settle. If something realistic pops in my head, there is no reason why I would not go for it in real time.




AAkasha -> RE: Real vs Ideal: Should we compromise? (9/22/2005 11:14:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

We've all got fantasies. We've all got expectations. Some of them are more important than others. How much do we expect our fantasies to play into our real lives? Should we figure it's all hooey, and settle for whatever we can get, or is it possible to get what we really want?




Regarding fantasies and expectations, the one thing I wish was different is the perceived image/ideal of what a "femdom" is. Male subs who have had sub feelings as far back as they can remember end up finding BDSM porn as teens or later and that's the image/idea they get in their head. It gets reinforced again and again.

Femdoms in the same boat -- with urges dating back years and years -- either ignored their "different" feelings or went ahead and started experimenting. Light bondage, some roleplaying, exploring with a boyfriend, etc. I don't think many femdoms used BDSM porn to help understand their kink, or get a better idea of what it is they were trying to become.

There's no portrayal of what a femdom really is in BDSM porn. It's written by men for men primarily. If you ask a hundred femdoms, I bet more than 85% would say they found the portrayal of the femdom and the male sub in bdsm porn to be absolutely unattractive and unrealistic. Keep in mind these are women who *have* dominant urges.

I'm not talking about fetish gear, or femdoms as beauty queens and barbie dolls either -- hell, I love my fetish gear and outfits to death -- I'm talking about the fact that BDSM porn doesn't show at all why the femdom really enjoys what she is doing, and what the spark is for her, and also what type of submission turns her on. The focus is instead on the acts, and a completely forgettable male submissive who either behaves ridiculously pathetic or is robotic or unresponsive.

There's an adjustment period, I think, when subs meet a femdom in the flesh and realize she's not just "into domination acts" -- that she actually has sensual needs, a lust of her own, and desires that require him to be an active participant in the BDSM -- not just the recipient. Subs realize then that the femdom does have expectations -- that she DOES get something out of it beyond just having a guy take a beating or be a sex toy.

Some subs bail at that point and go on looking for the femdom ideal he has in his head. Others respond fantastically and a great relationship blooms.

Akasha




MadameDahlia -> RE: Real vs Ideal: Should we compromise? (9/22/2005 11:58:10 PM)

There are a number of things I will not compromise on... And there are plenty of things I would.

I would like to see eye to eye on issues involving politics, religion, marriage, unmentionables, sex, alcohol, cigarettes and drugs. If the person and I can't agree on these things I doubt a relationship would work well.

I'm bisexual and seeking a poly household. If these aren't things that someone can deal with they're barking up the wrong tree.

I also have to be physically and mentally attracted to the person. If I give up either one of the two I won't want to touch or be touched or I wouldn't want to have a conversation with them - both of which are important and necessary to me.




ShiftedJewel -> RE: Real vs Ideal: Should we compromise? (9/23/2005 4:22:59 AM)

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We've all got fantasies. We've all got expectations. Some of them are more important than others. How much do we expect our fantasies to play into our real lives? Should we figure it's all hooey, and settle for whatever we can get, or is it possible to get what we really want?


I used to believe I had to settle, thankfully I'm older, wiser and more patient now. I won't settle anymore, I discovered that I would rather do without then be unhappy with what I ended up with.

AAkasha, as usual, you said it beautifully.

Jewel




KatyLied -> RE: Real vs Ideal: Should we compromise? (9/23/2005 4:58:53 AM)

I also used to think that I would have to settle. Even to the point where I considered vanilla dating, which would lead to vanilla sex. I think it's best to hold on to the hope that you can have what you are looking for. It is possible, although not always easy.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Real vs Ideal: Should we compromise? (9/23/2005 11:09:54 AM)

Thanks for mentioning the dreaded stereotype, Akasha. I have a huge fetish wardrobe, and toys galore. Playing dressup is fun. But life is not a 24/7 scene!

What happens when the domme has cramps, or food poisoning, or a bad day at work? What happens when her pet or other loved one dies, and she is grief-stricken? Does she still have to be goddesslike to live up to the fantasy? She sure does, if you believe the porn, since the porn doesn't talk about REAL LIFE.

Sooner or later, someone has to do the laundry. I would rather have it be someone else, but if the submissive is working 60 hours that week, I think I can fold some towels and survive---and not be a bad domme because of it.

Is there a good way to get over these stereotypes? How about the seriously unattractive male stereotype, of the meek creature who never makes eye contact?




AAkasha -> RE: Real vs Ideal: Should we compromise? (9/23/2005 11:51:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Thanks for mentioning the dreaded stereotype, Akasha. I have a huge fetish wardrobe, and toys galore. Playing dressup is fun. But life is not a 24/7 scene!

What happens when the domme has cramps, or food poisoning, or a bad day at work? What happens when her pet or other loved one dies, and she is grief-stricken? Does she still have to be goddesslike to live up to the fantasy? She sure does, if you believe the porn, since the porn doesn't talk about REAL LIFE.

Sooner or later, someone has to do the laundry. I would rather have it be someone else, but if the submissive is working 60 hours that week, I think I can fold some towels and survive---and not be a bad domme because of it.

Is there a good way to get over these stereotypes? How about the seriously unattractive male stereotype, of the meek creature who never makes eye contact?


I think that more subs are realizing that a femdom is a woman first and foremost, and realizes she is not the insatiable latex queen that BDSM porn portrays. But there's so much more beyond that.

The bigger problem I think is in their perception of what they think a sub should be. Or, what they think femdoms want a sub to be. Their role models are the sniveling, groveling, robotic "worms" that porn portrays in film and fiction. I have never met a femdom who finds that type of man attractive on any level. But, that's all they know -- that's the way the subs behave in everything they have seen in read, so they think that's what they are supposed to do.

They also don't see that there are expectations on the other end. I'm talking specifically about "scene play" if you want to call it that -- but the actual power exchange/fetish activity. A femdom does not just need a "willing participant" -- she does not get her pleasure just from the act of xyz (insert fetish - flogging, doing cbt, strap on, tease & denial, etc.) -- the sub IS expected to do his part. The "act of submission" is *not* enough. Submissive men are not interchangable -- femdoms do not get their hunger/lust and think "damn, I need to dominate someone - anyone -- I don't care, just get me a body."

The bdsm porn does not talk about what the sub male does to please his femdom on that level. You don't see/read about how he learns to push her buttons by reacting in a way that makes her hotter. It does not show him actually interacting and engaging her in the power exchange so she's excited, intrigued, thrilled, challenged, satisfied.

Most men are perfectly capable of doing all of these things, but they need to know that it is expected of them. Many are not aware of it at first. Unfortunately, for many men, part of the fantasy/ideal is that he *doesn't* have to worry about it -- that he is not an active participant, but is instead a passive recipient. This ideal can be reinforced for years if he just sees pro femdoms only. Then he's in for a shock when he realizes a non-pay femdom has expectations.

Akasha




brightspot -> RE: Real vs Ideal: Should we compromise? (9/23/2005 5:08:21 PM)

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How much do we expect our fantasies to play into our real lives?


I feel that finally in my life I have a partner who I have the trust with to explore and live out my and Her fantasies in real life. I'm very greatful![:)].
*Brightspot




lonewolf05 -> RE: Real vs Ideal: Should we compromise? (9/23/2005 5:25:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

We've all got fantasies. We've all got expectations. Some of them are more important than others. How much do we expect our fantasies to play into our real lives? Should we figure it's all hooey, and settle for whatever we can get, or is it possible to get what we really want?


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no... not ALL of us! "I" have NO fantasies. never did. never will.
expectations? no again. i learned that no one can live up to MY expectations so i quit expecting anything from this world. i just get let down.
MY life IS real. i live reality 24/7/365 i have NO dream world to go to. i was told at 10 yrs old,..now you become a man.......and watched my ole man throw everything i owned in the burner out in the back yard...i was left with school books, clothes, and a bed.
no more toys...no more play things. i had to start helping around the house like any other full grown male.
so no..........i live in reality...no fantasy for ME.......
so to ME it IS all hooey coz "I" dont know what the hell it is all about. i dont do pain i dont do sex i dont do romance i only do domestic services.........i am the household dirty job grunt........

wolfie





fastlane -> RE: Real vs Ideal: Should we compromise? (9/23/2005 6:43:16 PM)

I fantasize about meeting me....then, I look in the mirror and think....Gross![:D]




Lordandmaster -> RE: Real vs Ideal: Should we compromise? (9/23/2005 11:56:02 PM)

My ideal is to have a mansion full of harem girls with an army of poorly paid serfs tending my grounds for me.

And I'm not settling for anything less.




MadameDahlia -> RE: Real vs Ideal: Should we compromise? (9/24/2005 12:00:29 AM)

Where does one sign up for such a thing... only er... with both male and female submissives? And of course slightly better paid servants... I would hate to deal with a rebellion... -heavy sigh-




sarbonn -> RE: Real vs Ideal: Should we compromise? (9/24/2005 5:59:50 AM)

I used to be able to separate the two. But after a couple of very intense bdsm relationships, I found myself actually living my fantasies. The reason I'm mentioning this is because I believe it has forever set me in a mode that I have a hard time trying to achieve something that doesn't include my service-oriented fantasies in my reality because at least twice it actually happened.




Lordandmaster -> RE: Real vs Ideal: Should we compromise? (9/24/2005 6:02:15 AM)

The serfs don't rebel in my fantasy. I mean, wouldn't the fantasy suck if you had to deal with rebellious serfs?

quote:

ORIGINAL: MadameDahlia

And of course slightly better paid servants... I would hate to deal with a rebellion... -heavy sigh-





lonewolf05 -> RE: Real vs Ideal: Should we compromise? (9/24/2005 6:56:44 AM)

fastlane? if YOUR mirror offends thee...the good book says..."if thine eye offends thee..pluck it out".......

how about some plastic surgery hoss? need a nose job or some thing bro?

why does your reflection bother you dude?
i know "I" am no pretty boy but its the only face i got........just coz i am not pretty doesn't offend me.

what's up here bro?

wolfie




JohnWarren -> RE: Real vs Ideal: Should we compromise? (9/24/2005 7:12:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

The serfs don't rebel in my fantasy. I mean, wouldn't the fantasy suck if you had to deal with rebellious serfs?


But isn't that the point [slowly heating hot pinchers over coals]. They rebel; you put down the rebellion and the fun begins




Lordandmaster -> RE: Real vs Ideal: Should we compromise? (9/24/2005 3:32:52 PM)

No, the main fun for me is fucking their wives. I can do that while they're out doing stuff like mowing the lawn. If they rebel, I have to stop fucking their wives for a while so I can put down their rebellion.




RelxdBound -> RE: Real vs Ideal: Should we compromise? (9/24/2005 3:36:28 PM)

I second the motion and the notion that settling is the wrong direction to take!!




LadyAngelika -> RE: Real vs Ideal: Should we compromise? (9/25/2005 2:36:17 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

No, the main fun for me is fucking their wives. I can do that while they're out doing stuff like mowing the lawn. If they rebel, I have to stop fucking their wives for a while so I can put down their rebellion.

Still thinking with your footlong huh? ;)

- LA




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