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brightspot -> Kinky Theater? (9/22/2005 11:00:39 PM)

Hello All,

I was reading a thread, the disscusion was on doing scene's.
(BTW I have never scened publicly before.)

What I was wondering as I read was....
Is a big part of being and participating in a Scene publicly, the
attraction of artistry(Acting) brought to a Scene?
Is it a place that brings to it the actor or actress in a person?
In other word's is "The Public Scene" an expression of "Kinky Theater"?

Curious....

*Brightspot




MissChicane -> RE: Kinky Theater? (9/22/2005 11:04:52 PM)

I'm sure some people see it that way... others are just exhibitionists. I would love to go to an actual theater and watch a BDSM performance.




ChastityLocked -> RE: Kinky Theater? (9/22/2005 11:53:25 PM)

well, ive never seen bdsm performed in public, but I would be interested to go to a play thats about bondage and bdsm. Id be very interesting, plus, its a good learning experience :)




target -> RE: Kinky Theater? (9/23/2005 3:41:22 AM)

One of my boys loves public scenes, always the first volunteer for a demo. Acting is exhibitionism and vice versa. His moans are a little louder, his reactions a little stronger. He says its heightened by the crowd, I say he's a ham.




JohnWarren -> RE: Kinky Theater? (9/23/2005 5:26:38 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MissChicane

I'm sure some people see it that way... others are just exhibitionists. I would love to go to an actual theater and watch a BDSM performance.


[grin] Maybe they'll come out with The Secretary-- The Musical. Seriously, that's a great movie about how some people play.

There are occasionally "Performance BDSM Ensembles." Mostly I've found them disappointing. They are often eyecandies in fetish going through the motions with no real passion.




EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: Kinky Theater? (9/23/2005 5:44:44 AM)

I agree with John, while the idea of a "stage bdsm show" is fun, I find them really boring for the most part. I actually have an entire presentation I do called "Mise en Scene" which is all about using the aspects of theater IN your actual scene.

For me there's definitely an overlap, I love costuming, use of lighting, use of props (toys for a lot of people), dialogue, etc. By harnessing the powerful aspects of theater, I find my scenes can greatly increase in their drama and intensity.

BUT I rarely plan out a scene itself. Once you're comfortable with all the elements of theater, you can have them in your toolbox to use or not at will.

I AM an exhibitionist and a voyeur, I DO feed off the energy you get from mixing people together and having group energy. However, this type of scening is only one amongst many. I've had terribly intense scenes that were just me and my partner, alone, no theatrics, just us.

As I usually say- I take what works in every avenue and don't expect what doesn't work.




JohnWarren -> RE: Kinky Theater? (9/23/2005 5:47:58 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2
BUT I rarely plan out a scene itself. Once you're comfortable with all the elements of theater, you can have them in your toolbox to use or not at will.



That's my approach too. I see it as a parallel to a jazz dance. I know where I want to start and I know where I want it to end, but in between, I draw from my library (your toolbox) of activities and actions as suggested by the energy environment between my partner and me.




Mercnbeth -> RE: Kinky Theater? (9/23/2005 6:12:27 AM)

quote:

Is it a place that brings to it the actor or actress in a person?
In other word's is "The Public Scene" an expression of "Kinky Theater"?


The same reason why most attempts at "kinky theater" are bad is what makes watching and participating in a public scene great - Intimacy. Most pro or staged scenes lack the intimacy between the participants. The people doing the scene usually are not that good at acting. It's just the opposite with most people who scene in public. The intimacy they share is obvious to the observer. That intimacy can't be an act. It's common when we scene in public to lose track that there may be somebody watching.

It's difficult to answer the question; "why scene in public?" Appropriate especially today as we leave for the Folsom Fringe where we'll be in a play room where there will literally be 100's of people active in various scenes, us among them. We both feed off the electricity and the dynamic of the people around us. The intimacy that I referred to permeates the room. The sights, the sounds, even the smell of the raw passion is very intoxicating. I've observed many people come to a public event for the first time and swear they are just there to observe and dipped their toe in the pool. The walk in and swear that they will NEVER get naked, NEVER participate at ANY level. Most often, before the night is over they've dived into the deep end of the pool.

Interestingly enough, none of the petty prejudices about age, weight, height, hair color, hair length, what people call each other, or manner of dress; seem to be important at a public play party. What is most important is respect. Respect for the other people in attendance, and respect for not playing with any toy that doesn't belong to you - including and especially the human toys. People who break those two important protocols don't last long. It's one of the reasons that a public play party is one of the safest places a newbie can play. It's easy and common to ask someone to observe and monitor a scene. It's also a great place to learn at any level. If you witness someone use a new toy or an old toy a new way; you can go up to them (AFTER THE SCENE!) and get some pointers. I've never seen a request or question of this nature rebuffed. The shared intimacy generates a great camaraderie. It's easy to make friends. Except for the exhaustion you usually feel afterwards, it's an amazing experience.

Trying to describe what the play area will look like at the Folsom Fringe tonight about midnight to someone who has never been there is impossible. You may not believe it, but you surely can't imagine it. Trying to explain what it feels like to participate is even a more impossible task. But one thing it isn't is "Kinky Theater". The majority of people in the scenes won't be acting.




justatoy2 -> RE: Kinky Theater? (9/23/2005 6:58:32 AM)

what a great topic, i have actually been trying to find a way to get a group of people together and start a kinky theater company. Its always been a dream of mine. I do think that people who play publicly enjoy the attention, and yes there is a bit of acting that goes along with it. I would love to show real passion as Mr. Warren had mentioned in an earlier post. The rawness, the grit, the nakedness, the exposure...ok im getting ahead of myself..but you all get the idea.




thetammyjo -> RE: Kinky Theater? (9/23/2005 7:19:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: brightspot

Hello All,

I was reading a thread, the disscusion was on doing scene's.
(BTW I have never scened publicly before.)

What I was wondering as I read was....
Is a big part of being and participating in a Scene publicly, the
attraction of artistry(Acting) brought to a Scene?
Is it a place that brings to it the actor or actress in a person?
In other word's is "The Public Scene" an expression of "Kinky Theater"?

Curious....

*Brightspot


Well, I would say that I do SM differently and to a degree Ds differently when we are at playparties. I'm aware of the fact that others are or may be watching. I'm not as relaxed in these public venues as I am at home or in private.

That level of "acting" doesn't make me very comfortable frankly plus I want/need good lighting and quiet.

At GLLA I sent off my slave to the play party by himself with friends so he could play (he's an attention slut) and have fun. It just didn't seem like much fun to me and I really just wanted to relax.




imtempting -> RE: Kinky Theater? (9/23/2005 7:53:58 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: JohnWarren



[grin] Maybe they'll come out with The Secretary-- The Musical. Seriously, that's a great movie about how some people play.

.


That would be an interesting play...




IronBear -> RE: Kinky Theater? (9/23/2005 9:17:43 AM)

Having never been to a play party and only been to our better club once (Am joining next month though depending of monetary resources). I have no preconceived notions. However I'd venture of at a club or other venue, a series of demonstrations by professionals and those who are concidered Masters/Mistresses on specific areas (like shibari), could be considered Kink Theater.




krazysubbiekat -> RE: Kinky Theater? (9/23/2005 10:08:37 AM)

hi again...i wanted to add my thoughts to this. i am a member of my local club, and i love public scenes. i am an exhibitionist to be sure. Am i preforming while i am scening? No. Am i feeding off of the energy from the people there? Absolutely! I also love the comraderie that comes from knowing that there really are other people out there who understand who i am..i know this because i can actually see them do some of the same things i have done/dreamed about/thought about/read about....you get the idea.

Lost her own private dreams <G>

kat




night101owl -> RE: Kinky Theater? (9/23/2005 10:43:21 AM)

I like to play where there's an audience because I love the energy exchange in exhibitionism/voyeurism. However, I don't really see it as theater, at least not the way I play, because aside from the location, there's not a lot of concern for making sure the audience is impressed.

I have seen some people play in a much more theatrical manner, flipping whips around that don't even come in contact with the bottom, "florentine flogging", and adding other fancy touches that don't seem like they'd really have much of an effect on the bottom. I have much less interest in watching that kind of play. The thing I like about being a voyeur is experiencing the energy that a bottom gives off when it really hurts. It just doesn't seem like tha fancy stuff is all that efficient in making it hurt.




Evanesce -> RE: Kinky Theater? (9/23/2005 11:05:54 AM)

Merc & beth described the public play scene VERY well, and I really don't have a lot to add, except to explain how I perceive it.

I love public play. To me, our public play is much more intense and intimate than our private play. In private, we tend to get away from the play rather quickly, as sexual urges tend to take over. In public, more often than not, sexual intercourse is not allowed, which means we spend more time interacting on a psychological/physical level. It's those times we are in public when I experience subspace, and it's those times when we really connect on every level. When we're in public, we don't notice the people and sounds around us (except for one time, but that's another story). He's 100% focused on me, and I'm 100% focused on experiencing what it is He wishes me to experience.

People tell us they can see and feel Master's love for me when we play. That's kind of an amazing thing to hear.




EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: Kinky Theater? (9/23/2005 11:18:10 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: night101owl
I have seen some people play in a much more theatrical manner, flipping whips around that don't even come in contact with the bottom, "florentine flogging", and adding other fancy touches that don't seem like they'd really have much of an effect on the bottom.

While there definitely are "show-pony tops," the flicking whip, and definitely florentine flogging can create quite an interesting headspace in a bottom. Depends on your rhythm, style, heaviness, materials and intent.




IronBear -> RE: Kinky Theater? (9/23/2005 2:32:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2


quote:

ORIGINAL: night101owl
I have seen some people play in a much more theatrical manner, flipping whips around that don't even come in contact with the bottom, "florentine flogging", and adding other fancy touches that don't seem like they'd really have much of an effect on the bottom.

While there definitely are "show-pony tops," the flicking whip, and definitely florentine flogging can create quite an interesting headspace in a bottom. Depends on your rhythm, style, heaviness, materials and intent.


Question ES2, How would define a "show pony top" compared to a top whth a good sence of drama or one with just good showmanship skills and knows when to use them? I'm just curious nothing more or less.




brightspot -> RE: Kinky Theater? (9/23/2005 4:36:31 PM)

Thanks to all of you have have added their experience or thoughts so far.

A special Thanks out to Merc&Beth for your easy to visulize thoughts and feelings.

You each have helped bring me to a better place of understanding the personal significance that scening means and it's connection to being artistic.

I hope to be going back to MsN soon and would like to explore this more with Her in Chicago. There is a much bigger public community there and a lot more venues for taking in some Scenes[;)].


*Brightspot




WickedKev -> RE: Kinky Theater? (9/23/2005 4:37:35 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: brightspot

Hello All,

I was reading a thread, the disscusion was on doing scene's.
(BTW I have never scened publicly before.)

What I was wondering as I read was....
Is a big part of being and participating in a Scene publicly, the
attraction of artistry(Acting) brought to a Scene?
Is it a place that brings to it the actor or actress in a person?
In other word's is "The Public Scene" an expression of "Kinky Theater"?

Curious....

*Brightspot



Do I have have an ehibitionist streak, I can tell no lie, yep but not as big as some. I find playing in public can give you that extra kick but this is not to say I play for the crowds. When I am Topping or Domming in public my whole concentration is on the sub/slave and it isn't till the scene is finsihed that I become aware of anyone watching and it is then I get that kick. Now as for Kinky Theatre (English Spelling) I am in two minds of this and maybe it is because I have seen some terriable films with actors not knowing how to use the toys they are suppose to be playing with. But then aren't demos, to a degree Kink Theatre? I have seen some great ones and some very poor ones.




EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: Kinky Theater? (9/23/2005 5:44:04 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear
Question ES2, How would define a "show pony top" compared to a top whth a good sence of drama or one with just good showmanship skills and knows when to use them? I'm just curious nothing more or less.

When he's using his skills to attract attention to himself, not as a way to enhance the scene overall for everyone.




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