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RE: extraordinary ... - 3/5/2008 6:22:43 AM   
colouredin


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Status: offline 		I would agree but i mean when they are like there and demanding stuff

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RE: extraordinary ... - 3/5/2008 6:27:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: colouredin

I would agree but i mean when they are like there and demanding stuff


Even then I think any we are motivated by our desire to be good parents.

We may be tired and cranky and at the end of our rope but we dig a little deeper because it is the right thing to do.

Doing the right thing, even when it hurts, always seems to make us feel good

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RE: extraordinary ... - 3/5/2008 6:29:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: colouredin

I would agree but i mean when they are like there and demanding stuff


disclaimer-- I know someone who portrays herself as a martyr for her kids (while she leads an extremely full social life without them) so some projecting here.

There may be moments when the task you have to do is completely selfless (cleaning up puke comes to mind) however when viewed as landscape it is merely a consequense of a selfish desire-- people want to have kids for a variety of reasons and kids come with illness and bad moods and crying and diapers, there aren't many people who don't know that this is all part of the deal and they decide that the payoff for them is worth the price.

I think the same thing can be applied to a slave.  There may be small moments where she's "paying the price" for her decision, but overall she's getting what she wants.

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RE: extraordinary ... - 3/5/2008 6:30:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ahhhh probably I dont have kids so i dunno :D 

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RE: extraordinary ... - 3/5/2008 6:37:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		and many people don't have kids because they see the negative parts of child rearing not worth it.  Are they selfish because they don't want to possibly be bad parents or grudgingly good parents, or are they selfless because they understand that they aren't wired to be nurturers and therefore won't make a child endure them.

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RE: extraordinary ... - 3/5/2008 6:59:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OmegaG

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ORIGINAL: colouredin

Nicely said Jeffff

side note- the only exception in selflessness that I can really see is when you have kids Im pretty sure that requires a lot of selfless behaviour


Most people also procreate for selfish reasons.



Yes - and while there is a lot of hard work and sacrifice in being a parent, there are also many rewards and love returned - so again, the parent is receiving while giving. 

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RE: extraordinary ... - 3/6/2008 3:44:31 AM   
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I'm saying that a decision to give such love (excluding UMs) is based on self, not other, with the motivation being happiness for self.  How is that not "selfless"?



When it is implied that this is the only motivation.

Selfishness does not take into account the needs of others.

Selflessness does.

Selflessness seeks a harmonious balance between the needs of self and the needs of others. It depends much more on cooperation within the relationships.

Selfishness is one-sided, does not require a balance or cooperation.

Consider two hungry men and a sandwich. They could be selfish and fight over who gets to eat it, or they could be selfless and agree to split it and each eat half.

Both choices involve a need to satisfy one's own needs, but only one of the choices takes into account the needs of the other.

That is the selfless choice.

 
Selfish:  eats the entire sandwich, not considering the other person who is hungry
 
Self-less:  gives the other person the entire sandwich,  disregarding ones own hunger
 
Un-selfish :  Splits and shares the sandwich
 
Is how I would interpret these words and your analogy.
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RE: extraordinary ... - 3/6/2008 4:28:13 AM   
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Most people also procreate for selfish reasons.


No, most people procreate coutesy of Budweiser.

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RE: extraordinary ... - 3/6/2008 7:48:55 AM   
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It is by reaching beyond the ordinary to give the extraordinary that a slave distinguishes herself and her love.

The more a slave thinks of herself, the more she is just like everyone else.

The "gift" a slave gives is her selfless love.


Thoughtful comments, please.


Whenever I see this sort of tripe I think of vanilla couples that have been married for over 50 years, and the attempt of people to make their relationships more special because they attach a label to them. Sorry, you just can't convince me that slaves love any deeper or more abidingly or give more than anybody else.... doesn't square with my experience in this life

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RE: extraordinary ... - 3/6/2008 9:41:43 AM   
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Thoughtful comments, please.

Utter garbage.


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RE: extraordinary ... - 3/6/2008 9:45:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		If I hear "gift" of submission one more time, I will throw up. It is not a "gift". Stop it already.
If you are submissive, it is who you are, how you are wired, what you prefer, what you desire, what you crave, yearn and need.

It is the same for being Dominant. No gifts are given or expected, unless it is jewelry or toys. :)

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RE: extraordinary ... - 3/6/2008 10:10:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Would have to agree with RedHotAndSoSexy, there is nothing in common between gift and submission.  Can't imagine a Dom/Domme saying to their sub "I give you my Domination as a gift"  Submission is a desire as is Domination...either submit/Dominate or go home.

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RE: extraordinary ... - 3/6/2008 10:28:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Loveisallyouneed

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It is by reaching beyond the ordinary to give the extraordinary that a slave distinguishes herself and her love.

The more a slave thinks of herself, the more she is just like everyone else.

The "gift" a slave gives is her selfless love.


Thoughtful comments, please.


As a slave, I don't think in terms of doing anything which is extrodinary. If he requires it, I do it and that would be ordinary for me. It may be extreme at times, but that comes with living in his world and I knew it when I signed on. The day I start to think in terms of  the service he requires as extrodinary is the day I won't call myself a slave any longer. I'm simply obedient which may be pretty boring to other people, but I'm never called to flap my wings and fly or turn lead into gold. Those would be extrodinary were I capable of doing them.

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RE: extraordinary ... - 3/6/2008 10:35:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Codependency only works if it's both ways. If the Master is as focused on creating a positive, fulfilling atmosphere that supports the emotional, psychological, physical and spiritual health of the slave, you've got a great relationship. Otherwise, you have a person who is in danger of serving to please to create a false sense of self worth. When the Master is no longer pleased, their world will crumble. This doesn't mean that this WILL develop as a result of the described scenario, only that it is highly likely. Also, some would argue that the slave's duty isn't to please, but to obey. If the Master is not pleased with the behavior, they didn't direct the slave to obey in a way that created the behavior they wanted.

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