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Smith117 -> RE: Marines and a puppy (3/6/2008 6:51:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: charmdpetKeira

I dare say, niether have we.



Quite true.

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ORIGINAL: charmdpetKeira

We had a Saint Barnard when I was a kid. I tried to ride her like a pony once, she just sat. Unfortunately, my mother caught me in the act; the dog tried to attack my mother for giving me her idea of a spanking. Damn I loved that dog.



My favorite dog, was a lil half-n-half cocker and golden retriever (we think) and he stood up to a chow twice his size, as well as a rottweiler for me. You definitely did *not* want to mess with me when he was around. (Nor would you want to mess with him while I was around). I treated him like a brother. And by that I mean, I messed with him a bit....as one would a brother. I remember playing this 'game' where I would stand behind him and say "move" so that he felt he was in my way, but as he would move, so would I, right behind him again. So he was perpetually 'in the way' and it was like playing follow the leader all over the house. He was so cool. I heard when I left home the first time that he wouldn't eat for 3 days. He would just keep looking at the empty couch I used to fall asleep on and cry.



thompsonx -> RE: Marines and a puppy (3/6/2008 7:11:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

Marines are meant to be warriors, NOT sadistic thugs.


The difference would be?


If you don't see the difference, it may be time to enlist.
I did that very thing some twenty years before you were born.

On second thought, forget that...

Since I have and you haven't the question still stands.
Just how do Marines, warriors and sadistic thugs differ?


Health,
al-Aswad.




charmdpetKeira -> RE: Marines and a puppy (3/6/2008 7:33:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Smith117
He was so cool. I heard when I left home the first time that he wouldn't eat for 3 days. He would just keep looking at the empty couch I used to fall asleep on and cry.



*smiles* A bitter-sweet story; poor pup.

My first k-9 baby was a Black Lab/Dalmatian cross, I named “Last Chance”, (the effects of my mother reverting to calling her dogs “the kids”).

He was as smart as a whip. I had to leave him behind when my ex and I split. The dog was put down a couple of years later; it is thought that he got into some anit-freeze or Decon some idiot left laying around.

Sometimes….

k



Alumbrado -> RE: Marines and a puppy (3/6/2008 8:09:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Smith117

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Oh, exposing BS is just a hobby of mine... if anyone finds it useful, I'm pleased.  Do you ever have anything factual to contribute to the many useful posts and threads I've put in? 


[8|]

You appear to be a bit too emotionally involved in the subject matter for me to continue wasting my time on.



Oh come now... aren't ad homs so early a bit extreme just over being called on an exaggerated assertion and faked quotation marks? 
Here's a thought, how about you simply stick to the topic and the facts? Unless of course, you aren't really here to have a discussion, in which case backing out now would be your most prudent option.



luckydog1 -> RE: Marines and a puppy (3/6/2008 8:24:11 PM)

faked quotation marks?  How were they faked?  He quoted your words so put them in Quotation marks, as he was rejecting your sumation of his views.  By the way Mania is not synomous with Maniac, though neither of them have the definiton you made up (there is this magic thing called the internet that lets you look up the definitions of words while on line....)

I did notice that in the video, he holds the puppy, then pulls back out of view, and then throws something.  Could be faked, I don't know.  Lets find out the details before we hang the guy.  If the video turns out to be real, we have plenty of time to hang/torture him later.



ModeratorEleven -> RE: Marines and a puppy (3/6/2008 8:36:24 PM)

Folks, please chill out.

XI



Smith117 -> RE: Marines and a puppy (3/6/2008 9:57:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

faked quotation marks?  How were they faked?  He quoted your words so put them in Quotation marks, as he was rejecting your sumation of his views.  By the way Mania is not synomous with Maniac, though neither of them have the definiton you made up (there is this magic thing called the internet that lets you look up the definitions of words while on line....)



Very well said. The other thing he fails to see is that I was the one on topic and he was the one resorting to barbed comments and attacks instead of staying on point.



Aswad -> RE: Marines and a puppy (3/6/2008 10:26:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


Edit: Read back... celticlord answered it fairly well.





Alumbrado -> RE: Marines and a puppy (3/7/2008 4:58:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Smith117

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

faked quotation marks?  How were they faked?  He quoted your words so put them in Quotation marks, as he was rejecting your sumation of his views.  By the way Mania is not synomous with Maniac, though neither of them have the definiton you made up (there is this magic thing called the internet that lets you look up the definitions of words while on line....)



Very well said. The other thing he fails to see is that I was the one on topic and he was the one resorting to barbed comments and attacks instead of staying on point.



The 'point' was that you  made a blanket statement about an entire group, based on little more than seeing some movies.
Your inaccuracies were addressed by myself and others, and instead of  rationally discussing them, you are playing the victim. 
That behavior refutes any pretense that your purpose was rational discourse. 

Feel free to join several of our more notable posters in repeating that behavior as often as you like, just don't expect it to not get laughed at. 



Smith117 -> RE: Marines and a puppy (3/7/2008 5:48:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

The 'point' was that you  made a blanket statement about an entire group, based on little more than seeing some movies.
Your inaccuracies were addressed by myself and others, and instead of  rationally discussing them, you are playing the victim. 
That behavior refutes any pretense that your purpose was rational discourse. 

Feel free to join several of our more notable posters in repeating that behavior as often as you like, just don't expect it to not get laughed at. 



Actually, my statement was based on AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL books that were later made into movies, AS WELL AS my own personal experience over the last 10 to 20 years. I'm awfully sorry if you think my own personal experience doesn't qualify me to state an OPINION, but I really don't care what you think. I never have and never will.

Now then, if you can separate yourself emotionally enough to discuss the current topic without your feelings being hurt by the opinion of an anonymous guy on the net, fine. By all means post away. If you can't and you want to have a knee-jerk reaction to every OPINION stated as though it's a personal slight against you, then perhaps you should read other, happier posts.



MrDom -> RE: Marines and a puppy (3/7/2008 3:18:50 PM)

Here's the link to the 'Nubs' story. Happened last month I believe.

http://newsfeedresearcher.com/data/articles_n8/idn2008.02.22.13.19.55.html



Stephann -> RE: Marines and a puppy (3/7/2008 3:27:21 PM)

In my time in the Marines, I knew some pretty twisted individuals.  In my time in the civilian world, I've also seen twisted individuals.

I'm of the understanding that even with combat stress thrown in, the high standards required to enter military service still result in overall lower rates of criminal activity than their civilian counterparts.  That being said, people who serve combat tours see and perform horrific acts on a routine basis.  The question isn't if this individual is evil, but rather why are we willing to engage in combat operations where a person like this is made this way.  He might have been an animal abuser his whole life, it might have been combat that triggered it.  Either way, it's not reflective of the institution he's associated with.

I can say that as long as we keep expecting Marines to fight wars, there will be some Marines who crack.  That's not the fault of the service; these individuals, and those they hurt, are simply collateral damage of war.

Stephan



OrionTheWolf -> RE: Marines and a puppy (3/7/2008 3:50:28 PM)

Then why not name the thread, some dumbass and a puppy? What does this person being in the Marines have to do with the fact they are fucked in the head? Don't make a statement "Marines and a puppy", post a link to the video and then say you are not drawing any conclusions to them being in the Marines and what they did to the puppy.


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ORIGINAL: charmdpetKeira

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Give me a fucking break. Saying that one Marine that does this, represents them all is ludicrous.

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ORIGINAL: charmdpetKeira

What have we become?

k



I would agree, too bad I didn't say that.
 
k 



Alumbrado -> RE: Marines and a puppy (3/7/2008 3:50:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Smith117

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

The 'point' was that you  made a blanket statement about an entire group, based on little more than seeing some movies.
Your inaccuracies were addressed by myself and others, and instead of  rationally discussing them, you are playing the victim. 
That behavior refutes any pretense that your purpose was rational discourse. 

Feel free to join several of our more notable posters in repeating that behavior as often as you like, just don't expect it to not get laughed at. 



Actually, my statement was based on AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL books that were later made into movies, AS WELL AS my own personal experience over the last 10 to 20 years. I'm awfully sorry if you think my own personal experience doesn't qualify me to state an OPINION, but I really don't care what you think. I never have and never will.

Now then, if you can separate yourself emotionally enough to discuss the current topic without your feelings being hurt by the opinion of an anonymous guy on the net, fine. By all means post away. If you can't and you want to have a knee-jerk reaction to every OPINION stated as though it's a personal slight against you, then perhaps you should read other, happier posts.



You've got USMC vets telling you that your blanket assertion (not opinion) is not reflective of the reality, you've got others telling you that their research and dealings with USMC members doesn't support the broad strokes you used.
Whenever you get around to addressing that point, let us know.



Smith117 -> RE: Marines and a puppy (3/7/2008 4:05:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado
You've got USMC vets telling you that your blanket assertion (not opinion) is not reflective of the reality, you've got others telling you that their research and dealings with USMC members doesn't support the broad strokes you used.
Whenever you get around to addressing that point, let us know.


I'd hoped I wouldn't have to 'go there' but you leave me no choice:

Assertion:
as·ser·tion (ə-sûr'shən)
1. The act of asserting.
2. Something declared or stated positively, often with no support or attempt at proof.

Opinion:
o·pin·ion (ə-pĭn'yən)
1. A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: “The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion” (Elizabeth Drew).
2. A judgment based on special knowledge and given by an expert: a medical opinion.
3. A judgment or estimation of the merit of a person or thing:
4. The prevailing view: public opinion.
5. Law. A formal statement by a court or other adjudicative body of the legal reasons and principles for the conclusions of the court.

Now then, with these two *dictionary DEFINITIONS*, we can see that what I have done on this board thus far has been to state an OPINION as I readily admit I have *not* met *every* marine in the free world (nor would want to).I have not *declared* anything to be true 100% with no proof. What I *have* done is state my OPINION, based on the experiences I have had over the last 10 to 20 years. My experience with marines during that time, in addition to other sources I have come across has helped me form my own OPINION on them.

I even said that my opinion doesn't hold true for *every* marine, citing my brother as an example (albeit the only one I've seen thus far).

You may now consider yourself officially notified that I have addressed your 'concerns.' If you need further dictionary help, please let *me* know.





Muttling -> RE: Marines and a puppy (3/7/2008 6:52:14 PM)

I don't know if anyone has posted this link or not, but here is Snopes.com's discussion of the video.  They updated their discussion just a couple of days ago so it is pretty current.

In short, the Marines are currently investigating it.


http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/throwpuppy.asp



charmdpetKeira -> RE: Marines and a puppy (3/8/2008 8:26:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Then why not name the thread, some dumbass and a puppy?


The title of the thread labeled the video, my question was the topic. Yes, I know it is backwards, but I doubt the thread would have lasted as long if I had done it the other way around.
 
My focus was on the action and the attitudes about it, not the individual(s), and that he/they are representatives of a people, regardless of what title they carry.

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Don't make a statement "Marines and a puppy", post a link to the video and then say you are not drawing any conclusions to them being in the Marines and what they did to the puppy.


The fact is, I didn’t draw the conclusion that this is about marines, as my question was “What have we become?”; I only allowed people the liberty of drawing their own conclusion.
 
k



OrionTheWolf -> RE: Marines and a puppy (3/8/2008 9:09:20 AM)

I suggest you try to title your threads better then. You seem to use the excuse much of the mainstream media does when placing something before the public.



MissMorrigan -> RE: Marines and a puppy (3/8/2008 11:48:28 AM)

I haven't read the entire thread, I have seen a few arguments which have seen both sides having lost perspective (IMO). As for the original topic, what have we become? What happened wasn't nice, however, faced with a litter of puppies starving to death or being tormented/tortured, I think throwing them off a cliff was the kindest option. These are soldiers, there to do a specific job, not nurse a litter of puppies which occupy attention that is much needed elsewhere and would become a hindrance - I mention litter b/c it's rare for a bitch to have just the one. The gloating was despicable, whether the act was 'necessary' is debatable, and I'm afraid their titles ARE important given that they weren't locals, have limited resources there and not in a position to adopt pets. I do not condone their actions, but sometimes such things are a necessary evil.
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ORIGINAL: charmdpetKeira
The title of the thread labeled the video, my question was the topic. Yes, I know it is backwards, but I doubt the thread would have lasted as long if I had done it the other way around.
 
My focus was on the action and the attitudes about it, not the individual(s), and that he/they are representatives of a people, regardless of what title they carry.

The fact is, I didn’t draw the conclusion that this is about marines, as my question was “What have we become?”; I only allowed people the liberty of drawing their own conclusion.



angelbluewingsz -> RE: Marines and a puppy (3/8/2008 2:09:16 PM)

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