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RE: Appreciating Powerful Women - 3/7/2008 10:46:20 PM   
ElanSubdued


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Wheldrake,

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Wheldrake:
Keeping in mind the title of the thread, I'm not sure that Marie Curie's achievements had very much to do with power, although Elizabeth I's certainly did.  I don't think the two necessarily go together.  The hapless Annie Edson Taylor, from the OP's list, sounds like an even better example of achievement sans power.


I agree that there is a big difference between power and achievement.  The title of my thread is perhaps misleading as is this bit:

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ElanSubdued:
The topic is famous women who accomplished "firsts" in the world and I'll add, for the purpose of this thread, that whether famous or not it would be interesting to hear about any woman you know of who has given to those around her and/or accomplished something of significance to humanity during difficult circumstances.


Let me rephrase this.  It would be interesting to hear about any woman who has given to those around her and/or accomplished something of significance to humanity.  I'm not so much interested in whether this be in a "powerful" way or just an "achievement".  Rather, the thread is about interesting women.

Thanks for your comment and for causing me to clarify,

Elan.

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RE: Appreciating Powerful Women - 3/7/2008 10:49:16 PM   
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colouredin,

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I'm a bit confused :(


This happens to all of us sometimes.

Elan.

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RE: Appreciating Powerful Women - 3/7/2008 10:56:00 PM   
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ShaktiSama,

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(paraphrased)  Mary Wollstonecraft, Boudicca - Queen of the Iceni, the two greatest female pharoahs of Egypt - Hatshepsut and the Cleopatry of the Ptolemy, Mae West...  (literal)  Just a few of my favorites!  I could go on all day.


When you're good, you're very good, and when you're bad, you're better.  Too much of a good thing can be wonderful.  Please "go on" as much as you like. :-)

Elan.

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RE: Appreciating Powerful Women - 3/7/2008 10:57:22 PM   
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Venatrix and LadyPact,

Margret Thatcher indeed!  Thank you. :-)

Elan.

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RE: Appreciating Powerful Women - 3/7/2008 10:58:44 PM   
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MisPandora,

Thank you for pointing out the irony that the Woodhull Foundation promotes the same sex-positive values that Victoria Woodhull did in the late 1800's.  Also, thank you for adding Juliette Gordon Low and Clara Barton.  "Control under pressure" is a marvelous quote. :-)

Elan.

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RE: Appreciating Powerful Women - 3/7/2008 11:00:47 PM   
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Reigna,

Thanks for adding Margaret Sanger to the list.  She's an interesting, almost antihero.  While she certainly opened the way for universal access to birth control, she also reflected the bigotry and sex-negative ideals of her time.  Giving women the choice to decide how, when, and if they had children was part of her agenda, but she was not interested in promoting the idea that men and women enjoy sex (or rather, she seemingly viewed birth control as a way of limiting the undesirable side-effects of sex).  Likewise, it's wholly ironic that Sanger viewed masturbation as an affliction.

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Margaret Sanger:
Though sex cells are placed in a part of the anatomy for the essential purpose of easily expelling them into the female for the purpose of reproduction, there are other elements in the sexual fluid which are the essence of blood, nerve, brain, and muscle.  When redirected in to the building and strengthening of these, we find men or women of the greatest endurance and greatest magnetic power.  A girl can waste her creative powers by brooding over a love affair to the extent of exhausting her system, with the results not unlike the effects of masturbation and debauchery.

(and...)

In my experience as a trained nurse while attending persons afflicted with various and often revolting diseases, no matter what their ailments, I have never found any one so repulsive as the chronic masturbator.  It would be difficult not to fill page upon page of heartrending confessions made by young girls, whose lives were blighted by this pernicious habit, always begun so innocently, for even after they have ceased the habit, they find themselves incapable of any relief in the natural act.  Perhaps the greatest physical danger to the chronic masturbator is the inability to perform the sexual act naturally.

(and...)

In the boy or girl past puberty, we find one of the most dangerous forms of masturbation, i.e., mental masturbation, which consists of forming mental pictures, or thinking obscene or voluptuous pictures.  This form is considered especially harmful to the brain, for the habit becomes so fixed that it is almost impossible to free the thoughts from lustful pictures.


Elan.

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RE: Appreciating Powerful Women - 3/7/2008 11:09:39 PM   
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Dnomyar,

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Linda Lovelace comes to mind.


While she was still alive, I actually met and served Linda Lovelace when she stayed at the hotel I was working at.

Elan.

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RE: Appreciating Powerful Women - 3/7/2008 11:12:37 PM   
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my momma - being honored this month by UU congregation as a misbehavin woman of power.  she also was awarded a shero award by the woman's museum for her women's rights work. 

on that note how about susan b anthony?  kate chopin, george sands, camnille claudel, anais nin, twyla tharp, julia childs, isak denisen, beryl markum, georgiao'keefe, brenda ueland, annie dillard, rachel carson, starhawk, helen johnson surleaf, frida khalo, eva peron, norma shearer, kate hepburn, eleanor roosetvelt, betty freidan.....i could go on and on.....

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RE: Appreciating Powerful Women - 3/7/2008 11:19:09 PM   
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Sunnyfey,

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I suggest the OP and all the other lovely Ladies here in this part of the forum read "Seductress and Women who ravished the world and their lost art of Loves" By Betsy Preliou.  It's an absolutely wonderfull book about women who changed the world and the course of history through seduction, dominace, and all the many other "ars amatoria" we women come to so naturally.


I looked this up on Google, Wikipedia, and Amazon, but could find neither the author nor the title.  Can you check the spelling of the author's name and the title of the book, and post these if they are different?  Thank you. :-)

Elan.

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RE: Appreciating Powerful Women - 3/8/2008 5:47:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ElanSubdued

Thanks for adding Margaret Sanger to the list.  She's an interesting, almost antihero.  While she certainly opened the way for universal access to birth control, she also reflected the bigotry and sex-negative ideals of her time.  Giving women the choice to decide how, when, and if they had children was part of her agenda, but she was not interested in promoting the idea that men and women enjoy sex (or rather, she seemingly viewed birth control as a way of limiting the undesirable side-effects of sex).  Likewise, it's wholly ironic that Sanger viewed masturbation as an affliction.


Sanger was way off the mark in many respects. But she took on a lot to promote the use of contraception; and, since I regard reliable contraception to be one of the most radically life-enhancing developments of the past several centuries, I consider her a hero. Not even her awful views on sex and race tarnish that in my eyes.

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RE: Appreciating Powerful Women - 3/8/2008 9:11:37 PM   
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The following (A Plan for Peace, Margaret Sanger) was published in Birth Control Review (April 1932, pp. 107-108):

A Plan for Peace
by MARGARET SANGER
First, put into action President Wilson's fourteen points, upon which terms Germany and Austria surrendered to the Allies in 1918.

Second, have Congress set up a special department for the study of population problems and appoint a Parliament of Population, the directors representing the various branches of science: this body to direct and control the population through birth rates and immigration, and to direct its distribution over the country according to national needs consistent with taste, fitness and interest of individuals. The main objects of the Population Congress would be:

a. to raise the level and increase the general intelligence of population.

b. to increase the population slowly by keeping the birth rate at its present level of fifteen per thousand, decreasing the death rate below its present mark of 11 per thousand.

c. to keep the doors of immigration closed to the entrance of certain aliens whose condition is known to be detrimental to the stamina of the race, such as feebleminded, idiots, morons, insane, syphilitic, epileptic, criminal, professional prostitutes, and others in this class barred by the immigration laws of 1924.

d. to apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring.

e. to insure the country against future burdens of maintenance for numerous offspring as may be born of feebleminded parents, by pensioning all persons with transmissible disease who voluntarily consent to sterilization.

f. to give certain dysgenic groups in our population their choice of segregation or sterilization.

g. to apportion farm lands and homesteads for these segregated persons where they would be taught to work under competent instructors for the period of their entire lives.

The first step would thus be to control the intake and output of morons, mental defectives, epileptics.

The second step would be to take an inventory of the secondary group such as illiterates, paupers, unemployables, criminals, prostitutes, dope-fiends; classify them in special departments under government medical protection, and segregate them on farms and open spaces as long as necessary for the strengthening and development of moral conduct.

Having corralled this enormous part of our population and placed it on a basis of health instead of punishment, it is safe to say that fifteen or twenty millions of our population would then be organized into soldiers of defense---defending the unborn against their own disabilities.

The third step would be to give special attention to the mothers' health, to see that women who are suffering from tuberculosis, heart or kidney disease, toxic goitre, gonorrhea, or any disease where the condition of pregnancy disturbs their health are placed under public health nurses to instruct them in practical, scientific methods of contraception in order to safeguard their lives---thus reducing maternal mortality.

The above steps may seem to place emphasis on a health program instead of on tariffs, moratoriums and debts, but I believe that national health is the first essential factor in any program for universal peace.

With the future citizen safeguarded from hereditary taints, with five million mental and moral degenerates segregated, with ten million women and ten million children receiving adequate care, we could then turn our attention to the basic needs for international peace.

There would then be a definite effort to make population increase slowly and at a specified rate, in order to accommodate and adjust increasing numbers to the best social and economic system.

In the meantime we should organize and join an International League of Low Birth Rate Nations to secure and maintain World Peace.

Summary of address before the New History Society, January 17th, New York City

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RE: Appreciating Powerful Women - 3/9/2008 7:21:01 AM   
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My contribution:  Harriett Tubman

Almost everyone knows the story of how Harriett Tubman led slaves to freedom via the Underground Railroad.  Here are some other interesting facts about this great woman, few know.  She carried a pistol at all times and on one occasion a male slave decided the trip was too difficult and was threatening to turn back.  Harriett put the gun to his head and told him to “live free or die”.  Rather than risk their capture she was willing to shoot anyone that threatened to leave the group.

Tubman became the first and only woman to lead an armed assault during the Civil War. When Montgomery and his troops conducted an assault on a collection of plantations along the Combahee River, Tubman served as a key adviser and accompanied the raid.  She also served as a nurse and spy during the Civil War.

She traveled to New York, Boston and Washington DC to speak out in favor of women's voting rights. She described her own actions during and after the Civil War, and used the sacrifices of countless women throughout modern history as evidence of women's equality to men. When the National Federation of Afro-American Women was founded in 1896, Tubman was the keynote speaker at its first meeting.

This wave of activism kindled a new wave of admiration among the press in the United States. A publication called The Woman's Era launched a series of articles on "Eminent Women" with a profile of Tubman.

However, Tubman was celebrated in many other ways throughout the nation in the twentieth century. Dozens of schools were named in her honor and both the Harriet Tubman Home in Auburn and the Harriet Tubman Museum in Cambridge serve as monuments to her life. In 1944 the United States Maritime Commission launched the SS Harriet Tubman, its first Liberty ship ever named for a black woman. In 1978, the United States Postal Service issued a stamp in honor of Tubman as the first in a series honoring African Americans. She is also listed as a saint by the Episcopal Church in the United States of America in its Book of Common Prayer.

Harriet’s first husband was still in slavery and when she went to get him, she found that he had married again and said he was happy where he was.  In an interview for a biography being written about her she said, “I started to storm the house and cause a scene but decided he wasn’t worth a grain of salt.” 

A powerful woman to say the least!

Faye

< Message edited by MistressFaye1 -- 3/9/2008 7:27:23 AM >


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