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straps-ons and forced bi - 3/7/2008 10:20:32 AM   
tinasboy


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Status: offline 		This is my first post, so i hope i am not repeating what is probably ground that has been covered before.

I have recently become interested in strap on play and have started speaking with a mistress about it. These past few weeks of training have been great but the question of forced bi play has come up. What i wanted to ask was whether strap on play and forced bi play always go hand in hand? Or whether there are mistresses who just like the strap on play?
Thank you, very much.
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RE: straps-ons and forced bi - 3/7/2008 10:32:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		IMO - they are two totally separate things...I guess you could consider training for forced bi when I have a subbie suck MY cock (not a strap on - Pyrex - nothing better than a dishwasher safe dildo). I do this for the Power Exchange, and I know the forced bi is the "ultimate fantasy" for some when it comes to doing something they would NEVER normally consider - to prove I have power over them, and they would do ANYTHING for me.

Anal play (including strap on) does not have to include anyone else...something I know some Dommes love and do often. For me, using a strap on like that is VERY intimate, and really doesn't do a whole lot to please me...so it is a rare occurance, and again, done only to show that I have the power to do whatever I want to a boy.

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RE: straps-ons and forced bi - 3/7/2008 10:35:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was just talking to a friend of mine last night about forced hetero..  Anyone one ever try that with a gay sub?

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RE: straps-ons and forced bi - 3/7/2008 10:39:37 AM   
tinasboy


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Status: offline 		bossy, that's just blown my mind.

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RE: straps-ons and forced bi - 3/7/2008 10:43:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		As a straight Domme only interested in straight or submissive men, I really enjoy Taking a man's ass [try the ones with the vibes in the base!], and would never be interested in 'forced bi'.
Even the phrase is distasteful:  forced implies rape, and it's almost always just permitting an uptight closet-bi-man to live out his bi- fantasies by thinking, oooh, I was 'coerced'.  I prefer spades to be called spades, and it's anal sex with a man.   If you're not interested in bi-play, make it a hard limit. 

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RE: straps-ons and forced bi - 3/7/2008 10:51:21 AM   
tinasboy


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Status: offline 		sorry if i offended, it was just a phrase that came up in conversation that panicked me at first.

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RE: straps-ons and forced bi - 3/7/2008 10:51:47 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tinasboy

bossy, that's just blown my mind.


But it is an interesting concept don't you think?


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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu 

As a straight Domme only interested in straight or submissive men, I really enjoy Taking a man's ass [try the ones with the vibes in the base!], and would never be interested in 'forced bi'.
Even the phrase is distasteful:  forced implies rape, and it's almost always just permitting an uptight closet-bi-man to live out his bi- fantasies by thinking, oooh, I was 'coerced'.  I prefer spades to be called spades, and it's anal sex with a man.   If you're not interested in bi-play, make it a hard limit. 


umm.. yes, forced does imply rape..
Consentual non-consent even..
The pleading looks... No, please.... Please don't make me do that Mistress...

Fun to be had by all.. 
Not understanding the problem here...

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RE: straps-ons and forced bi - 3/7/2008 11:23:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		They get to talk during consentual non-consent scenes? Fuck here I thought they were scenes where I wake up to shit happening and gettin a sock or panties or a cock shoved into my face so that I can't say no...so many things to learn

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RE: straps-ons and forced bi - 3/7/2008 11:30:52 AM   
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They get to talk during consentual non-consent scenes? Fuck here I thought they were scenes where I wake up to shit happening and gettin a sock or panties or a cock shoved into my face so that I can't say no...so many things to learn

ahem... well, then there is that too...
for me, it's the whole sort of soft whimpering, pleading, but resigned to the fact that it will happen thing....

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RE: straps-ons and forced bi - 3/7/2008 11:32:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Jen, if she couldn't talk during her non-consensual scenes, I wouldn't get a chance to hear her whimpering, whining, and begging for it to stop.

Ahh... sweet like Mozart.  I'm glad we have heavy soundproofed walls.

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RE: straps-ons and forced bi - 3/7/2008 12:22:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've heard a scene like that mentioned once. The basic summary was that it wound up amounting to rape in the mind of the young man involved, and did a fair amount of exceedingly non-consentual damage to him.

I guess I don't see 'sexual orientation' and 'kink/fetish' in the same categories. If someone (lesbian/gay) actually expressed it as an interest..maybe...
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ORIGINAL: BossyShoeBitch

I was just talking to a friend of mine last night about forced hetero..  Anyone one ever try that with a gay sub?

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RE: straps-ons and forced bi - 3/7/2008 12:25:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Stephan...I disagree...talking and whimpering and whining are different things...:D

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RE: straps-ons and forced bi - 3/7/2008 12:27:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Indeed... So more like Vivaldi's Four Seasons?

Stephan


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RE: straps-ons and forced bi - 3/7/2008 12:39:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Stephann

Jen, if she couldn't talk during her non-consensual scenes, I wouldn't get a chance to hear her whimpering, whining, and begging for it to stop.

Ahh... sweet like Mozart.  I'm glad we have heavy soundproofed walls.

Stephan


Stephan,
GMTA... :-)

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RE: straps-ons and forced bi - 3/7/2008 12:41:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: madshysoul

I've heard a scene like that mentioned once. The basic summary was that it wound up amounting to rape in the mind of the young man involved, and did a fair amount of exceedingly non-consentual damage to him.

I guess I don't see 'sexual orientation' and 'kink/fetish' in the same categories. If someone (lesbian/gay) actually expressed it as an interest..maybe...
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ORIGINAL: BossyShoeBitch

I was just talking to a friend of mine last night about forced hetero..  Anyone one ever try that with a gay sub?


Consentual non-consent...

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RE: straps-ons and forced bi - 3/7/2008 12:49:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BossyShoeBitch

Stephan,
GMTA... :-)


Well, bring Michael down this way one of these days, and you can both get an earful

Stephan


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RE: straps-ons and forced bi - 3/7/2008 12:49:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Personal experience tells Me that they are not necessarily hand in hand.  I've had subs that did both, I've had subs that had one as a hard limit.  Neither is a bad thing, as both can be quite enjoyable.

Also, you have to consider that some Dommes don't make either a requirement.


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RE: straps-ons and forced bi - 3/7/2008 12:53:50 PM   
solvr70


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Status: offline 		wow. seems that forced word is being taken to the extreme again. i can understand how that could happen.

ok, how about Her being "insistant" on how much She wants to see Her subbie take cock for Her, how excited She is by the idea and visual it creates, little whispers of "do it for Me, because it excites Me" in the subbie's ear.

better?


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RE: straps-ons and forced bi - 3/7/2008 1:07:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		To me, strap-on play and forced bi are two completely different things.  For me, I cannot wait for Mistress to bend me over and ass rape me with Her strap-on.  To me, strap-on play with Her has many connotations...it is being taken by Her, anal sex just feels great, and it's a rubber/silicone cock attached to Mistress.  I have no interest in men, so any forced bi stuff will simply not happen. 

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RE: straps-ons and forced bi - 3/7/2008 2:01:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Forced bi" is a fantasy.  Generally of the fantasy of one being "forced", in my experience, although of course the scenario has to work for the two people doing the "forcing" as well, or they won't participate.

Like a lot of other BDSM activities--that which is not wanted should be negotiated.  Failure to negotiate properly in BDSM is rape, just as it is in any other sexual interaction between human beings. 

Sometimes a hard limit softens over time, but hard limits are never made to be broken by others.  And "no" does mean "no", unless your safeword is "pineapple".

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