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Kirata -> RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... (3/7/2008 2:56:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LordShadow

broken bones/scars tend to lower their value which makes them more difficult to sell should that time come.


If you're going to post fantasy crap like that here, I would be gratified if you wouldn't greet with "Tal".
 
Kirata
 



celticlord2112 -> RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... (3/7/2008 3:01:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LordShadow
If there are consequences to living as I believe, then when the time comes I will bear them with the same dignity and honor I held as I reaped the rewards.


This is a good thing.  Consequence is inevitable in all things.

Belief is irrelevant.  Ultimately, we are all Karma's bitch.




celticlord2112 -> RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... (3/7/2008 3:05:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LordShadow
Yes perhaps a bit pompous, okay maybe a whole lot pompous...lol.
But I only posted what I believe, and look at the responses from it. If I can respect what others believe, they why can't they respect mine? Were the insinuations and insults posted by the others really bnecessary? Why woud they post like that if not out of fear of their own sense of security and freedom within themselves? Making themselves feel better about their beliefs by attacking someone elses.


How is proclaiming that everyone fears you respecting others?

The respect you show is the respect you receive.  That is the order of things.



catize -> RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... (3/7/2008 3:10:44 PM)

Faced with threats of violence I could be coerced into doing many things……but that is not submission.  I believe it has to come from within, a driving desire to accept the authority of another.  And the one in authority must have the drive and desire to wield their influence in a manner which creates a positive relationship.  Both or all parties involved work together within their agreement if it is to be a viable union.
Before one agrees to ‘anything’ it is wise to find out what exactly that means.
Force me and I may be compelled to acquiesce but I wouldn’t be there for a repeat performance.  Guide me, lead me, inspire me and I will do my best and feel pleased to please the dominant in my life. 



LordShadow -> RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... (3/7/2008 3:20:37 PM)

You will have to point out to me where I was disrespectful or closed minded to the views of another, if you would, because I seem to have missed it somewhere.



Archer -> RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... (3/7/2008 3:23:24 PM)

There are only a few ways to "Make" someone do something, that is normally against their grain.
You can use force or the treat of force.
You can use hard bargaining (Do it or leave forever) this assumes you are sure their desire to stay is stronger than their desire not to comply.
You can inspire them to counter their desire not to comply with their desire to make you happy. (Or some other instilled value)

Non of these cases is without drawbacks however the last would be the one I have found to have the least drawbacks.




LordShadow -> RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... (3/7/2008 3:25:11 PM)

No problem Kirata, I was only trying to demonstrate respect in greeting, but I can leave you out if it bothers you that much.
And, my world is not one of fantasy, it is just one you choose not live in.




LordShadow -> RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... (3/7/2008 3:28:29 PM)

Life is rewards and consequences based on the choices we make. Some are willing to accept greater consequences than others, and that is for each Man to determine for himself.



colouredin -> RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... (3/7/2008 3:33:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LordShadow

Life is rewards and consequences based on the choices we make. Some are willing to accept greater consequences than others, and that is for each Man to determine for himself.


Sorry what consequences?



Leatherist -> RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... (3/7/2008 3:33:41 PM)

Good lord, it's like watching a kitten, thrown to a school of pirahna. The more it thrashes, the harder they bite.[;)]



RedMagic1 -> RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... (3/7/2008 3:34:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OnlyMels
Every breathing human being has some limits of somekind

Unfortunately not true.  People with longtime trauma history, such as extensive childhood violence and abuse, can be so unaware of the existence of boundaries that they place no limits on their own behavior.  Getting healthy requires therapy and/or being in a relationship with a person who imposes limits on them.  How many people into BDSM were abused as a child?  Some were, some weren't.  However, some abuse victims engage in extreme scenes and relationship dynamics.



Kirata -> RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... (3/7/2008 3:42:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LordShadow

I can leave you out if it bothers you that much...
 
my world is not one of fantasy, it is just one you choose not live in.


Yes to your offer, thank you very much.
 
To my regret, there are a surprising number of people here who regard Goreans as a bunch of loonies imitating life on a fictional planet from a sci-fi series. At first, I couldn't imagine how such an unflattering idea got into their heads.
 
K.

 



MadRabbit -> RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... (3/7/2008 3:42:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LordShadow

As I said, I try to keep them from harms way. I have limits as to what I will inflict, if you break your toys you can't play with them and broken bones/scars tend to lower their value which makes them more difficult to sell should that time come.
But, if I wanted her arm broken, it would get broke, and she would present it to me for that purpose.



Yeah and I beleive I have a fourteen inch cock, but I am never going to show it to anyone to prove it.

Once again, we can all bare witness to the semantical Internet antics that makes the "No Limit" fantasy a falsely convincing reality. "If I told her to do it, she would do it, but I am never ever gonna do it."

Well, if I never ever do something and don't call it a "Limit" and never ever do something and call it a "Limit", whats the difference?

An orange is still an orange even if you call it an apple and given that we are hopefully sane, rational, and healthy people there is places that we are never ever gonna go in all our relationships, regardless of whether not we choose to call them "Limits" or not.

I'm happy that you and your slave have your own personal fantasy to beleive in about your relationship. I'm sure it makes the sex hot. 

It would just be nice if you could avoid coming to the Internet to try and convince everone else to beleive in it, too.




celticlord2112 -> RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... (3/7/2008 3:42:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LordShadow

You will have to point out to me where I was disrespectful or closed minded to the views of another, if you would, because I seem to have missed it somewhere.


quote:

ORIGINAL: LordShadow
What we are is something you fear


Next question?



SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... (3/7/2008 3:43:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: abbeysomething
In YNSHO's how do You feel about Making a sub/slave do something


I'll have you know my opinions are very humble in fact my opinions are so humble they live in cardboard boxes because they don't feel deserving of a real home. My opinions are so humble that they don't admit to the many thousands of people they have saved from poverty. You'll never hear my opinions tell the story of how they single handedly thwarted a bank robbery either. 

As for an answer: I agree with someone above me.[8|]



celticlord2112 -> RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... (3/7/2008 3:45:15 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LordShadow

Life is rewards and consequences based on the choices we make. Some are willing to accept greater consequences than others, and that is for each Man to determine for himself.


Acceptance is also irrelevant.  Choice begets action begets consequence.  That remains the order of things.



colouredin -> RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... (3/7/2008 3:45:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LordShadow

Tal Men,
Greetings girls,

Slaves have no limits and their will bends to mine. I protect them, keep them from harms way as best I can, but beyond that, they serve me and my Home without concern for their own desires or self proclaimed limits.

You will have to point out to me where I was disrespectful





Well i would say that this generalisation could be considered rather disrespectful to the way that other people live their lifes and use the term slave. I would say that Sirs slave has concerns for herself despite placing a priority on Sirs. I also dont like the differing greetings that are extended which to me places a gender divide of inequality, which personally i find disrespectful.




LadyPact -> RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... (3/7/2008 3:50:57 PM)

To the OP:  I don't make anyone do anything.  I tell My sub what I want.  He does it.  Not rocket science.

What actually turned out more interesting was this:

quote:

ORIGINAL: LordShadow

As I said, I try to keep them from harms way. I have limits as to what I will inflict, if you break your toys you can't play with them and broken bones/scars tend to lower their value which makes them more difficult to sell should that time come.
But, if I wanted her arm broken, it would get broke, and she would present it to me for that purpose.




I'm a huge fan of the primary rule that I have with My current sub.  That rule being "Protect My Property".  While I'm obviously not Gorean, I am surprised that the two worlds are so different.  Telling My boy to protect My property, also includes unrealistic or harmful actions by Myself.  Sure, I hurt him, but I don't harm him.  I certainly wouldn't break his arm or do any other activity that would intentionally require medical treatment, and since you don't know Me (your name isn't familiar to Me, so I'm sure Mine isn't to you) I'd like to assure you that he isn't treated lightly in the areas of pain. 

What say you to the comment?



Jeffff -> RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... (3/7/2008 3:57:26 PM)

I brought up the broken arm., earlier whan I was being the voice of reason

I HATE being the fucking voice of reason!

Jeff



daddysprop247 -> RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... (3/7/2008 3:58:52 PM)

...not that he needs or desires my understanding or approval, but i can very much relate to where LordShadow is coming from. Daddy and i are not gorean by any means, however he is my Owner and i am his property, and by our ways that means that he has the right to do with me as he wills, including bending me to his will by force if necessary. but this has never happened in any obvious way, because i know it is my place to serve and obey and he would never have to force me to do his will. however there have certainly been times where i did not wish to do his will and wished for a way out of it, but knew that i had no choice in the matter. to use the earlier example, if he wanted my arm broken, i certainly wouldn't be jumping for joy about it but it would be broken, and that's that.

but this is not a dynamic which works for many.



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