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ShaktiSama -> RE: Some kind of monster? (3/8/2008 6:50:29 PM)
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ORIGINAL: rubberpet
Shaki, my references to assassinated leaders were centered arount past U.S. presidents and guess what...all past U.S. presidents just happen to be all men! OMG...who'd a thunk it???
A situation unlikely to change if people actually indulge fantasies of murder just because a strong female candidate is running, wouldn't you say?
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You don't think Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy were great leaders?
I live in the South, and many people living in this region question Abraham Lincoln's leadership for obvious historical reasons. Kennedy is an interesting political figure, but he was a flawed human being in many respects.
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I don't think there is anything wrong with a woman seeking political office. I think there are some women that actually do positive work in public service. How about Benazir Bhutto? It is a damn shame what happened to her. Same thing with Ghandi...I'll agree with you there.
Cool. I assume you realize why I am uncomfortable with the discussion of putting a bullet in Hillary Clinton just because she is running for a political office. I really don't like casual talk of violence against women who seek or hold power, especially if they are not actively harming anyone. If people don't want another Clinton to be president, I honestly think "voting for someone else" is more than sufficient.
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Hell, every politician wants to change the healthcare system and make health insurance more available.
I disagree pretty strongly with this statement. I think it is very provably false. But I understand your overall point, which is that Hillary Clinton is just another American politician. You are definitely correct.
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On top of everything else, she is far from being someone international leaders can and will respect. The U.S. is absolutely despised in the Middle East, so you actually think she can get leaders of middle eastern countries to respect her and the U.S. when their cultures don't believe in women having a voice or strength to run a government?
I think that whatever respect is shown to US leaders will be shown based on their wisdom and the power at their disposal. Gender has very little to do with it. Many female rulers have demonstrated this fact, and the Middle East itself has had historical female rulers, including women like Zubayda.
Power and wisdom > than having a dick--or being one. [;)]
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For God's sake, she's already said that if she's elected, she'll apologize to the people of the Middle East for all the wrongs the U.S. ever did over there. Yeah, that'll get those people to respect us. They'll think we're a bunch of gutless weaklings and terrorists will probably be more inclined to take future shots at us.
I am always amazed that people seem to believe that terrorists attack the USA because they think we aren't "tough enough". We've been murdering and starving and enslaving these people for almost a hundred years now so that we can take their oil.
If you want to stop seeing terrorist attacks, stop killing them and stealing from them, would be my recommendation.
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I'll ask this question again: Do you think she is capable of commanding the most powerful military on earth?
Yes. I think a trained monkey in a pair of Pampers could not do any worse than Dubya has, and I think Ms Clinton is fortunate in having been married to a man who was a better administrator of this country in every respect--military, financial, and infrastructure--than any Republican has been for the last 30 years. I learn a lot from my subs, no matter how slutty they are; I assume Mrs. Clinton does as well. [;)]
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I believe serving in the military should be a requirement for holding the office of president.
So by your assessment, Bush Jr., who actually deserted during service, is doubly unqualified to lead.
In her defense, during the time of life when she would have been eligible for service I believe that the military was not accepting women in combat roles.
*shrug* Regardless, I am not telling you who to vote for at all. I am just uncomfortable with the "kill her" rhetoric. And quite frankly, I dislike the suggestion that she is automatically weak because she is a woman or a Democrat: Bill Clinton managed to lead the country for eight years without a terrorist attack when his main political slogan was "I feel your pain". If having empathy or trying to solve problems diplomatically led automatically to increased terrorism, this whole country would have gone up in flames during his presidency. And if "get tough" rhetoric and fascist political values automatically gave us a peaceful world, Dubya would have spent eight years in office without losing a single American life--much less thousands of them, both domestically and abroad, while he overspent our treasury so low that we could lose a major US city and be unable to rebuild it properly or provide its people with disaster relief.
Anyway...the honest truth is that most American men would find some excuse not to vote for ANY woman--Hillary or not. In your case, for example, obviously your excuse that "military experience is important" doesn't apply to the male candidate that you actually are willing to vote for! It's pretty typical, honestly, that a so-called "high standard" is applied only when a woman is disqualified by it, while male competitors get an exception to the oh-so-important rule.
The fact is, women can lead as well--and as badly--as any man. Of the candidates available, I think Clinton and Obama are both strong; I wouldn't mind seeing them on a single ticket at election time. I don't care which one takes the Oval Office and which one takes the Senate chair. [;)] I just hate to see them alienate each other and their constituents to make that impossible.
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