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ORIGINAL: xBullx

Do you ever look around yourself on the highway, all those SUV's and dammit if there isn't just one person in the vehicle a great deal of the time,

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

While you are running around, check the oil futures and contracts from 2003 to present, (the war) and then consider the worldwide usage per the same timeframe, understand that markets are driven by fear, a corrollary to this is --- why did CountryWide  (a mortgage lender) lose 90% of its value?  No way that 90% of its loans, prime and sub-prime were bad.

There is a speculation bubble, just like in the mortgage industry, and allota someones are going to make a shitload, and alotta someones are gonna get it in the ass.

If oil is so expensive, how is it that oil companies are making record profits? answer that, you are looking at realistic numbers........that's the part and parcel of it. Not the way the markets work. 

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ORIGINAL: Smith117

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ORIGINAL: PlayfulOne

This president with his ill advised war has set the price for oil.  There is no shortage in the supply, prices for oil are not  high because of lack of supply.  The spec market goes nuts everytime there is a hitch in Iraq.  The fear is their is going to be a disruption in the supply and the trading prices get out of hand as a reflection of that. 

The problem rest with this president and the administration he has.

This comment is hilarious to me. After a quick google search I found this:
Crude Oil Imports (Top 15 Countries)
(Thousand Barrels per Day) Country Dec-07 Nov-07 YTD 2007 Dec-06 Jan - Dec 2006

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CANADA 1,784 1,919 1,864 1,830 1,802 SAUDI ARABIA 1,675 1,530 1,453 1,471 1,423 VENEZUELA 1,246 1,227 1,150 1,045 1,142 MEXICO 1,234 1,484 1,410 1,245 1,577 NIGERIA 1,210 1,245 1,082 1,010 1,037 ANGOLA 439 408 496 610 513 IRAQ 378 508 485 419 553
As you can see, Iraq is in 7th place for importing oil to the US. It's behind Canada, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Mexico, Nigeria, and Angola. The number of barrels has been far below what we get from the other counties in the  list. So for those of you who think this "ill-advised war for oil" caused the oil prices....could you explain how that's true considering most of our oil doesn't even come from Iraq?

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ORIGINAL: xBullx

Am I the only one here that plays chess?

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ORIGINAL: PlayfulOne

and any of that has to do with what?  Newsflash for you,  the oil prices are on the global market.  Everybod is paying over $100 a barrel not just imports into the US.  Hitches and problems in Iraq cause problems in the entire Arab oil producing world. 

HAve you not noticed that whenever there is a large offensive, or a large attack by the "insurgents" in Iraq oil prices jump?  Thre has been a fear for a long time no that things will spill out of Iraq and oil flows will be disrupted.  Our dear president doesn't help that with the posturing toward Iran.

Couple that with the weak dollar and you have oil prices that are way out of wack with supply. 

What I would find hilarious is that you try and equate global prices to some list of who imports what into the US.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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the devaluation of the dollar was supposed to inspire the purchase of US products on the world markets.

What US products? Even the air-force doesn't want Boeings...

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You're that typical complainer that always has your eye on the wrong ball. America wasn't built by the big guys

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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro

Okay, seriously...the guy is an oil man from TX and no one sees a connection?



That's the man in the mirror's fault?

Puh-leaze...!

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ORIGINAL: xBullx
Ok, I told you this so you could better imagine the world of business we live in and absolutely no one talks about. Ohhh sure you make fun of good men like Rule when he talks about conspiraces and such, well, his tinfoil hat isn't all that unrealistic. Business does not have sympathy, it has no pity for you as individuals. I guess that is why my Gorean side loves it. It's all about being practical to your purpose. The thing is that there is always someone that is concocting new ways to relieve you of your hard earned dollars and he almost never works in Washington.

Hmmmm, I wonder why people as rich as Exxon sit back and allow the tree huggers to think they are so powerful in slowing production and building of refineries. I wonder why as we speak in a place where supposedly oil was exhausted the oil companies are drilling like mad. In the Oil states you can't hardly find an employ that won't be gobbled up bu the oil companies. They are paying very good to get help to put up more and more wells, the trucks run day and night pulling oil away from collection tanks.

Ohhhhh by the way, they still control prduction of the commodities you need. They make the gas and fuel at the pace they need to. They want you to blame Bush and the Saudis. It takes the focus off them.

There's a brand new refinery that is having the worst time getting off the ground and running in South Dakota, it is designed to refine that thick Canadian crude, guess what the excuse the Dakotans hear about. The tree huggers are to blame..............As if..............

Come on people, look beyond the obvious......................Greed is now and always will be the root of all that ailes us.

Am I the only one here that plays chess?

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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro

If we put the money we are pissing away on the Iraq war into grants and research for alternative fuels, we'd have real solutions almost overnight and probably universal healthcare to boot.

Naysayers can go the usual round of pocket-pool or navel gazing.

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ORIGINAL: Smith117

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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro

If we put the money we are pissing away on the Iraq war into grants and research for alternative fuels, we'd have real solutions almost overnight and probably universal healthcare to boot.

Naysayers can go the usual round of pocket-pool or navel gazing.

Rumor has it (actually several rumors) that there exists or there existed at one time an engine that could get upwards of 300 miles to the gallon. When said engine became known to the oil companies (this part varies according to who's telling the tale) either the family of the creator was threatened or the creator was somehow killed, thus keeping a lid on the engine and making consumers more dependent on big oil.

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

Read my thread on "Cain't hep mahself". I know it's a tough read for the lobotomized among us, but that very topic is covered.

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

I'm glad that I posted something of value. I put links up which are chosen to support my position, of course, but I am also, by doing that, inviting anyone to challenge my facts or my arguments.

If anyone can prove anything I say wrong, do so.

If anyone produces a convincing, science-based argument for some particular idea/thing/etc., do so. I'll adopt it.  But you have to prove it first. Loud exhortations to "Accept the Future!" and so on, just won't get it.