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lovelycourtnee -> Am I allowed to love my Master? (3/9/2008 1:14:01 AM)

I just created an account after finding out what a wonderful site this is. I am young and have been in a D/s relationship for a short while.
I know that I am unexperienced. I also want to learn everything I can. My Master is older then I am and he is very experienced.
I love the relationship we have with each other. I have never been happier. The whole thing has been a process of finding out who I really am. Although we have our little moments of a typical girlfriend/boyfriend relationship, (i.e hand holding, soft kisses, etc) most of our time together is spent in our D/s roles. Not that I am complaining. But I am starting to think that I am in love with Him. And that maybe I want a little more time spent on those little romantic gestures.
He is a very understanding person, however because I am quite new to everything I am not sure I am even allowed to express this to Him.
Any advice or comments?




homework -> RE: Am I allowed to love my Master? (3/9/2008 1:18:52 AM)

Be honest. Be open. Feel out the boundaries of the relationship. Decide what you want. If they don't meet with his boundaries then see what you are willing to compromise to. I am new to this as well so this is the best advice I can give. I hope it can help. I do know that  honesty and good communication is the best policy at this point. Good luck.




Focus50 -> RE: Am I allowed to love my Master? (3/9/2008 1:29:51 AM)

Hi and welcome...  :-)
 
Whether it be D/s, M/s, gay or straight, you're an *adult* in a personal relationship and that should imply a level of communication with your other.  What you need to do is put the D/s aside and have an in-depth conversation (adult equal to adult equal) about the goals, rules and limitations of *your relationship*.  I wouldn't want to own a girl who isn't here through making informed, mature choices.
 
So step one FOR ALL RELATIONSHIPS is an oldie but a goodie - COMMUNICATION, COMMUNICATION, COMMUNICATION!
 
Focus.




SailingBum -> RE: Am I allowed to love my Master? (3/9/2008 1:47:01 AM)

I disagree with the advice of talking to him about it right now.  You have been going out a "short time"  your young, your new to relationships.  The advice I gave my two girls was go out and explore life have a ball don't take anyone or anything to seriously and most importantly find your footing.

BadOne




MRandme -> RE: Am I allowed to love my Master? (3/9/2008 5:30:57 AM)

Given that many in M/s relationships are married to each other, love between a Master and slave is not unusual. In fact, for me, i do not know that i could submit on a slave level to someone i did not harbor warm feelings toward. Deep submission is so intimate that it creates a feeling of closeness.

Heinlein had a definition of love that i use as a rule of thumb -- love is when the other person's happiness is essential for your own. (paraphrased). By that definition, i love my Master. If He were unhappy, i would be unhappy... not because i fear failing Him, but because i can't be happy if He isn't.

Here is a revelation for the male gendered out there. Many times a woman will feel love for a man and say nothing... because she is afraid it will freak him out and he will bolt.  Isn't it better, SailingBum, for her to be honest about what she is feeling?  To quote a song "if i didn't say it, i'd still have felt it, and where's the sense in that?" 

lovelycourtnee, tell Him how you feel. A wise and experienced Dom will know that a girl's heart gets involved in what she is doing at times. Honesty -- can you hide what you feel from Him? Trust -- do you trust Him enough to share? Communication -- how can He know how you feel if you don't tell Him?

We expect our Dominants and Masters to make decisions about what is best for us, but if we don't share what we think and feel, then They don't have all the facts needed to make those decisions.

ok, i know this is a bit rambling and dis-jointed... need more coffee...

g




rubberpet -> RE: Am I allowed to love my Master? (3/9/2008 6:13:31 AM)

Absolutely not!!!  You are not allowed to love your dominant!  For asking such a question, you are hereby condemned to recieve 500 lashes of the wettest noodle possible!  LMAO

Just kidding.  To me, there is nothing more complete than loving your dominant because there will be times that your devotion will be put to the test and you may have to do something you don't want to do.  I think the love a slave feels for their dominant helps them dig down further so they can accomplish virtually anything.  I'm completely in love with Mistress and my love for Her has helped me endure the fact that She lives almost 900 miles away.  If I didn't love Her, I certainly couldn't have endured such a long distance.

You can't control who you fall in love with, so if the sentiment isn't returned to you, maybe find another dominant.  If it is returned to you, then you have found something wonderful.  Best of luck to ya! [:)]




colouredin -> RE: Am I allowed to love my Master? (3/9/2008 7:05:18 AM)

You think you love him - well really it doesnt matter if you do or dont, yeah you are 'allowed' but you dont have to

You want more romantic moments - why? so that you can make yourself love him? thats what i read into it anyways. If you want more of those moments then if you feel you have to then ask, but work out why first.

Im kinda with Sailingbum on this one (never thought i would say that :P) Just enjoy yourself have a laugh find what you want and need, it doesnt have to be anything you dont have to force the relationship into any pre definded box. Sir is the least romantic bloke in the world but then i dont want him for romance and i dont equate romance to love.

Good luck :D




adoracat -> RE: Am I allowed to love my Master? (3/9/2008 8:13:38 AM)

emotions you just *have*, there isnt any "allowing" to it.

that said, i absolutely adore my Daddy, and he loves me back. 

kitten




MasterFireMaam -> RE: Am I allowed to love my Master? (3/9/2008 9:04:04 AM)

It's not up to us or some universal leather law (which really doesn't exist) to tell you if you can express yourself to your Master. Only he can. Talk to him, not us, if you want a good answer. As for being ALLOWED to have the feelings...no one can stop you from having them. Expressing them is a different story.

Master Fire




SinergyNstrumpet -> RE: Am I allowed to love my Master? (3/9/2008 9:27:07 AM)

Always be honest about who you are.

Always be honest about what you want.

To not be honest about who you are and what you desire is not going to be lead to happiness for anyone. It does not mean you will get what you want from this person to be honest about it, but if he is incapable of giving it to you it is best to know that right away. There is a certain amount of risk taking with being upfront, but using a lot of tact and allowing things to be just as they are will get you far in expressing your desires to someone else.

In my experience with the male gender, if they were really into me, my expressing feelings of love wasn't going to chase them away.If they weren't into me, suppressing what I desire wasn't going to make them stay... but that is just my experience, which unfortunately I have more than most when it comes to the dating game[:o]

~Sinergy's strumpet~




DesFIP -> RE: Am I allowed to love my Master? (3/9/2008 9:31:04 AM)

Rule of thumb. First, feelings are never right or wrong, they just are. Secondly, if you can't talk to someone about your feelings, then you shouldn't be in a relationship with them. He may or may not reciprocate your feelings. How would you feel if he patted you on the head and says he appreciates the thought but you ought to know he will never return your feelings? That's what you need to think about. Not just for this, but in terms of every future relationship. Do you need your feelings returned or will you be fine with them unrequited? And only you can answer that.




greeneyedreamer -> RE: Am I allowed to love my Master? (3/9/2008 11:05:10 AM)

Although I am old, I am rather new to D/s relationships... I have come to a conclusion, It's almost impossible not to fall in love with someone you trust so much, share such intimate things with, they've seen your inside and out side totally. It's natural. and although one can never promise you won't get HURT, there's nothing you can do about it...




CalifChick -> RE: Am I allowed to love my Master? (3/9/2008 12:13:37 PM)

A little personal "rule" that I like:  Never make a statement that you aren't prepared to hear the response to; never ask a question that you aren't prepared to hear the answer to.

So don't say "I love you" if you are not prepared for his response... whether that is no response at all, or "how nice" or "okay" or "you should know that I will never love you back" or "I don't love you and I think it isn't good for you to be with someone who doesn't love you so our relationship is over."

When you are ready for any possible response, then you are ready to talk about it.

Just my opinion (and $4.50 will get you a machiatto at Starbucks).

Cali




SinergyNstrumpet -> RE: Am I allowed to love my Master? (3/9/2008 12:36:30 PM)

quote:

So don't say "I love you" if you are not prepared for his response..


That is a hard learned lesson and an invaluable bit of wisdom.




stella41b -> RE: Am I allowed to love my Master? (3/9/2008 3:17:33 PM)

I'd say go for it, tell him (not us) and show him.

What's wrong with being young? Everyone has been young in their lives, we've all been there where you are, we've all been inexperienced, we've all wanted to learn, we've all made our mistakes, been stupid, had our hearts broken, our egos bruised, been fooled and deceived but many of us have also LIVED as opposed to existed, we've found happiness, love, knowledge, experience, and all what life has to offer.

You got a great attitude, be yourself, be open, be honest, and communicate. Take each day as it comes, live for the moment, and love people in the way you feel you want to love them.

Don't get hung up over what love is - love is a feeling which is shared between two human beings and hopefully is reciprocated - it doesn't matter whether it's between a mother and child, a father and mother, high school friends, two lovers, an elderly couple with 45 years of marriage behind them, or even a love of people - it's still love.

What is true love? True love is when you love someone who loves you back and you both accept, understand, trust and love each other for who you really are. It's not necessarily permanent except for the fools who expect it to be and to come with a guarantee, but it's something you feel in your heart and you know it's love, and it's terribly painful when it ends or when it isn't given back.

Love is hard to define but to me it's got a lot to do with acceptance, feeling, honesty, openness and expression.

If you're not sure whether it's love or not then maybe it isn't and is probably infatuation or something close like admiration and you need to give it more time. Love cannot be created, imagined, forced, or faked, and don't let people try and talk you out of your own definition of love.

Quite often they don't know, they don't know you, they don't know what lies in your heart, your feelings. Most people's definition of love is quite narrow, it's the erotic love of desire and passion, and when you go and ask them you usually only get their definition of what they perceive to be love. But love can take as many forms as there are relationships between people, some deny their own feelings, often because they want to find a reason for love, and some wouldn't recognize love even if it hit them with the force of a Mack truck. This is why sadly there's not enough love in this world and why many people fail to find true love.

Love is about trying, failing, making mistakes, sharing, those tender moments, those feelings of loneliness, insecurity, those giddy heady days where the world becomes heaven, it's about heartaches, splitting up, crying on a best friend's shoulder, shouting out 'I hate you you ba$tard!', but it's also finding someone, falling in love, experiencing love all over again as if it was new, the intimacy, the passion, the long conversations into the early hours of the morning over coffee about something silly..

.. it's about being all sentimental, dreamy-eyed and soppy like a 15 year old...

.. it's about being yourself, being happy, and sharing who you are inside intimately with another person.

Life is about trial and error. Who cares if he's the right one or not? There's a lot of lonely people out there who are alone because they've never met the right one, as if you're going to meet a Dom one day with 'YOUR RIGHT ONE' written across his forehead.

It only matters that you're happy with him and he's happy with you and your feelings are mutual. Live for the moment, take each day as it comes, be happy together because let's face it, you're looking for positives here - if the relationship ends, as it might, at least you'll have happy memories to look back on, and you never know, he'll have made you a better female submissive for the next Dom and you will ahve made him a better Dom for the next submissive.

As for the feelings of heartache, loss, rejection, sadness, you just need a few very close friends who you can be yourself with, share yourself with and say absolutely anything with. Then when it does fall apart you can get the girls round, and decide whether you want to get blind drunk, bitch about men, go out on the pull, discuss joining a convent, spend time in a nightclub or a disco dancing round your handbags, whatever, but at least you'll have a support network. What have you got to lose?

Life is short and is meant to be lived. Living surely means being yourself openly, honestly and freely with people, being responsible, and taking every opportunity there is to have fun, be happy and to love and be loved and for living the way you want to live.




lilabbotsfordgrl -> RE: Am I allowed to love my Master? (3/9/2008 3:24:47 PM)

I believe if you feel that you love someone, you do.  You seem to question if it's "real" or not, but if you feel it, doesn't that make it real?
Tell him you're having feelings for him, tell him you think you're falling in love!  Your openness and vulnerability may very well endear him even more to you, put him in an even higher position of control, and even turn him on!  :)




Stephann -> RE: Am I allowed to love my Master? (3/9/2008 3:24:51 PM)

My slave sometimes struggles with feeling like she is 'allowed' to express herself.  I've had to actively put rules in place that make her feel like she is allowed to say things (especially things she doesn't believe I will accept or like what she has to say.)  I tell her to say to me "I feel what I feel."  It's acknowleging that her feelings are hers, acceptable, and important, without feeling like she is trying to undermine my authority.

So feel what you feel.  If your owner doesn't accept what you feel, that's usually a sign (to me) of an unhealthy situation.  It doesn't sound at all like this is the case; but be prepared for him to not return that sense of love.  Many people engage in M/s relationships because they don't desire romantic love to be part of that relationship.

Just a few thoughts.  Good luck,

Stephan




softness -> RE: Am I allowed to love my Master? (3/9/2008 3:39:02 PM)

Masters can control many things .. but not your heart .. if you love Him .. then love Him.

I am struggling currently with what I feel for someone. I cant say I love Him yet, because rationally I know that I dont. I am devoted to pleasing Him and His wishes are already becoming mroe important than my own. He wants to know my feelings, but He has never promised to act on them only promised to listen to them.

I do want a relationship where I can express love in a physical way, because I am a physical person. I want to kiss and hold and curl up with my Master and tell Him how much I love and adore Him.

But this isn't about me, it is about HIM. If He does not want me to express my love like that then I either learn to find other more pleasing ways to express it, or I have love I do not express, or I leave His service. With Him sometimes we are romantic, and there will be times when we lay together and kiss and cuddle and that will be great but that is not what I am to Him. But then I am meat. He doesn't want meat to be romantic .. He wants meat to be meat.




greeneyedreamer -> RE: Am I allowed to love my Master? (3/9/2008 4:18:27 PM)



quote:

Masters can control many things .. but not your heart .. if you love Him .. then love Him.




Truer words were never spoken...




SailingBum -> RE: Am I allowed to love my Master? (3/9/2008 4:25:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: colouredin

You think you love him - well really it doesnt matter if you do or dont, yeah you are 'allowed' but you dont have to

You want more romantic moments - why? so that you can make yourself love him? thats what i read into it anyways. If you want more of those moments then if you feel you have to then ask, but work out why first.

Im kinda with Sailingbum on this one (never thought i would say that :P) Just enjoy yourself have a laugh find what you want and need, it doesnt have to be anything you dont have to force the relationship into any pre definded box. Sir is the least romantic bloke in the world but then i dont want him for romance and i dont equate romance to love.

Good luck :D



Puts you in charge of my fan club.  cuz your all mushy n stuff

BadOne




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