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RE: male slave verus TG/CD slaves - 3/10/2008 12:10:35 PM   
moki1984


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i unfortunately have never had the chance to play with someone tg etc. but I would love to. Me personally as an example, take a boy who has the inner feelings of a woman...I would treat her as a female submissive and lil female slut and it would stay feminine in all regards. Possibly as a punishment I might make them dress like a burly man lol.

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RE: male slave verus TG/CD slaves - 3/10/2008 8:57:21 PM   
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TO ME, being transgendered is the result of biology and nature and they identify and strive and need to live full time as the opposite sex.


thats transsexual..not transgender.
  tg is an umbrella term.

Thank you for the correction.  Since Science has now proven there is such a thing as a male and a female brain.  What do you call those beings who are truly a female trapped in a male body?  It's not something they can put on and take off.  And for those who have this condition, do you fee the practice of recreational cross dressing makes the understanding of others towards you more difficult?
 

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RE: male slave verus TG/CD slaves - 3/11/2008 5:49:35 AM   
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 What do you call those beings who are truly a female trapped in a male body?  It's not something they can put on and take off.  And for those who have this condition, do you fee the practice of recreational cross dressing makes the understanding of others towards you more difficult?
 


It certainly did when I announced my intention to transition. Most people thought I'm sure, that I was thenceforth going to wear pink frilly dresses and be all effeminate - exactly in line with their idea of what a "recreational" crossdresser is and does. I also received a couple of referrals from well meaning female family members along the lines of "oh, my friend's ex husband is a transvestite - thats why theyre divorced now; maybe you two should get together". Nothing hostile in any of it - just plain misunderstanding and confusion based on a very limited knowledge of an area which, lets face it, is not something most come into contact with in their lives.

It was probably just as confusing for them, when I turned up in appropriate clothing and was normal. Imagine you think your son, brother etc is going to arrive at your house in a pink frilly dress, a man acting all girly and then she turns up; all jeans and T shirt and pretty much indistinguishable from any other woman.

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RE: male slave verus TG/CD slaves - 3/11/2008 8:53:54 AM   
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the term trapped is stupid because  nobody is trapped.  body's are just vessels and these vessels can be changed.  while yes a male body can never truly be a female body and a female body can never be a male body... they can appear on the outside to be a female body and the genitalia can be changed.  those who say trapped generally become transsexual.  but it is the wrong thing to say to a psychiatrist.

there are cases of people who cant transition due to health/money/having children they dont want to lose.  but they are still not trapped.  you can be who you are if you want to be.  parts mean nothing..only the brain matters.



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RE: male slave verus TG/CD slaves - 3/11/2008 10:41:41 AM   
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I did finally come to understand that he does prefer femme more than his male side and struggles with it.  He isn't sure why he considers himself "bi" other than to say he enjoys pleasing both, has never been in a loving relationship with a male but has had casual sex, OFTEN.  He doesn't dislike his male parts but he doesn't like them either.

Though I've allowed him to be in femme attire at events he still confesses to being uncomfortable because it's new to him.  Meaning the ablility to do so in a group of people that do not judge him and are very accepting.

It appears to me that he has problems with both sides of his psyche and it is as I suspected.

Any advice?

Faye




Advice? As faerytattoodgirl pointed out, he has a fairly high degree of gender dysmorphia. Some women are comfortable with this, and some are not. You also should know that some men with a high degree of gender dysmorphia will transition to varying degrees. He might be content simply to spend more time dressed and living as a woman; he might need hormones; he might need various surgeries, including gender reassignment surgery. Figure out (if you don't already know) how much of his gender dysphoria and potential transition you can deal with, and factor that into your decision whether to continue the relationship.

As an example of what I mean: My sub is a CD. I like him en femme, but I also value his maleness and male sexual function. Anything that interfered with that would be very difficult and perhaps impossible for me to accept. We both know this, and it figures heavily into the way our relationship is structured.

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RE: male slave verus TG/CD slaves - 3/11/2008 5:34:36 PM   
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the term trapped is stupid because  nobody is trapped.  body's are just vessels and these vessels can be changed.  while yes a male body can never truly be a female body and a female body can never be a male body... they can appear on the outside to be a female body and the genitalia can be changed.  those who say trapped generally become transsexual.  but it is the wrong thing to say to a psychiatrist.

there are cases of people who cant transition due to health/money/having children they dont want to lose.  but they are still not trapped.  you can be who you are if you want to be.  parts mean nothing..only the brain matters.


  Parts mean something to those that LIKE those kinda parts :)

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RE: male slave verus TG/CD slaves - 3/14/2008 1:50:08 PM   
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Yes, you need to understand there is a world of difference between crossdressing and someone who is transgender.  If he is having problems with his male side that kinda indicates some psycholocigal issues, it doesnt seem as though he is merely a crossdresser.  Maybe you should do some research on transgender and transsexuality.

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RE: male slave verus TG/CD slaves - 3/14/2008 2:42:54 PM   
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im not sure if your replying to me or someone else but my name shows up in the reply...  i have 30+ yrs experience ..i started learning when i was 7 yrs old about gender and sexuality.


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RE: male slave verus TG/CD slaves - 3/14/2008 9:47:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressFaye1

I did finally come to understand that he does prefer femme more than his male side and struggles with it.  He isn't sure why he considers himself "bi" other than to say he enjoys pleasing both, has never been in a loving relationship with a male but has had casual sex, OFTEN.  He doesn't dislike his male parts but he doesn't like them either.



Okay, maybe I can help as I see where he is coming from. When you go from one gender to another it's a process. This strikes me clearly as gender dysphoria, but you know, it takes a lot of courage, will and strength to go and suddenly say you're actually the opposite gender. You may feel this, you may think this, but you need to know.

He was raised as a boy, and it's these inner feelings of wanting to be female come into conflict with his upbringing, socialization, his whole life.

He's had casual sex often with men because these are usually the only ones interested in having any sort of a relationship with someone transgendered. To them he's an experience, an experiment, nothing more. Something they can admit to to their friends or brag about over a couple of beers. His desire to please while may be genuine and/or also a cry for acceptance, closeness, emotional support, understanding. His whole life is falling apart around him, is he male? Is he female? Who can he turn to?

He's probably meeting 'admirers', guys who just want to get laid with a 'trannie'.There are a few, and it is a few men who have a fetish for intimate relationships with the transgendered, but once the guy has got what he wants he's out the door, usually never to be seen again. No chance to explain, as the guy's probably surfed the Net and browsed a few of the chicks with dicks website. The guy genuinely believes that this is what all the transgendered are like.

There's also another reason. Some guys seek out transgendered females or 'trannies' to have a homosexual experience with them. These guys claim to be straight, they claim to have wives, and somehow having sex with a TV or CD and engaging in 'oral' and 'anal' means that they can have a homosexual experience and still believe that they're 100% heterosexual.

He's never had a loving relationship because these are few and far between for transgendered. Most people look upon the transgendered as a kink, as trying to be someone they're not, and most other people understand and accept and even sympathize with the transgendered but don't want anything to do with them. Those who have loving relationships with either men or women are lucky.

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Though I've allowed him to be in femme attire at events he still confesses to being uncomfortable because it's new to him.  Meaning the ablility to do so in a group of people that do not judge him and are very accepting.



This is because he hasn't been socialized as a female and feels very insecure in such situations. This insecurity stems from his gender confusion.

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ORIGINAL: MistressFaye1

It appears to me that he has problems with both sides of his psyche and it is as I suspected.

Any advice?

Faye



This to me looks like gender confusion and a clear case of gender dysphoria. He needs to see a doctor, preferably a good psychiatrist with a knowledge or awareness of gender issues. This would help him clear up any confusion and also validate his feelings either way.

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RE: male slave verus TG/CD slaves - 3/15/2008 9:13:38 AM   
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stella,

I really appreciate the time and thought you put into your post.  It has helped me a lot!

Thanks.

Faye

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RE: male slave verus TG/CD slaves - 3/15/2008 10:12:08 AM   
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i have done research on TG and CD, as well as surgry for each.  Now, my question was about the male hetrosexual slave verus a CD or a TG when they are dressed.  Now this doesn't mean that the CD/TG is gay or straight, it could be either way.  Just because someone CD doesn't mean that they are gay.  i have found it interesting how sissy bois are looking for Mistress instead of Doms.  i have found 1 TG, that looks promising, she is a TG because she has male sex organs, but a mind set of a female.  i know that will have a lot of work ahead of me, because i want her to be a real female, not one that does all the girlie stuff, but one that is well rounded.  

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