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EponasChylde -> RE: Religion and D/s (3/10/2008 8:31:22 AM)

Well I suspect that science will one day understand these things...for nothing is "outside" of nature.

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The spirit guide doesn't belong to them


I suspect that our spirit guides are actually our Higher Consciousness speaking to us, that part of ourselves which is joined purely to the Universe and which exists outside of the man-made invention of "time". They are not, in my opinion, external entities separate from ourselves.



SteelofUtah -> RE: Religion and D/s (3/10/2008 8:35:13 AM)

To save myself from the Lynch Mob I will respectivly decline to explain my stance on this subject.

But know that I am a recovering addict so God and Spirituality are a large part of my life today,..... They are just AS I UNDERSTAND THEM.

Steel



TracyTaken -> RE: Religion and D/s (3/10/2008 8:40:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

Oh goodie - another thread where christians have to defend themselves.[8|]
Serious question though - why is it that when a religon thread rears it's head, and a variety of religons respond - that the christians or muslims end up on the list of the hate-mongers?


You could add those who belief in the Torah to your list (Jewish people).

It's really, really bad to challenge people's beliefs, especially really destructive, hatefilled doctrine involving the abuse and murder of children and homosexuals, along with genocide, patricide, matricide and homocide in general.  Then there's the lovely bit about the punishment for denying the "holy spirit" (eternity in hell). People who challenge others like that are really making a hate-monger list to which good people have to defend themselves.  Religion is sacred and should never be criticized or questioned, no matter what, because it's really *rude* to put good people in the position of having to defend their beliefs!
 
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Because it's positively PC to do it? .obviously.


Very obviously not.  The last line I wrote above is the norm for US society, and it is radically non-PC to do otherwise.

Funny thing happened recently.  In the library (in a space designated for that purpose) the local atheist society put up a display asking people to envision a world without religion (nod to John Lennon).  They used 9/11, suicide bombers, the "Christian" response to the murder of Matt Shepherd, the Spanish Inquisition, etc.   The furious response was deafening.  The local paper ran article after article about the reactions, and the editor of the paper felt it necessary to write his own editorial on the goodness of religion.  The atheist organization was threatened with a law suit from a man who is likely the most prostegious lawyer in town (and also the head of a church).  Not cool at all.

In a place where the very leaders we (in the US) elect must be bound to a religion, why should religion, any religion, hold a protected status?  Why shouldn't the beliefs inherent in any religion be questioned with the same relentlessness that we question anything else?



RCdc -> RE: Religion and D/s (3/10/2008 9:03:41 AM)

Religon should be questioned, absolutely.  But there is a huge difference between questioning religon and singling out specific groups of believers.
 
Go search the threads here.  Christians and Muslims gain much ridicule and told they are ultimately 'wrong' for their belief.  Jewish - yeah you get anti semitism too - it's just a lot more 'refined'.  Religon isn't just christian, islam and judasim that is my point - but these are the sections that are berated as though they are fair game. You could seperate catholicism from christianity and place that highest on the list - but it still comes down to the same thing.
 
It's not 'challenging' it is hate mongering - doing exactly the same as any fundemental.  Sticking up 'fear properganda' about what you must and mustn't and do and who must be killed and stoned, from some outdated book that was constructed with not even half the scriptures, which have been mis-interpreted from the original text where most of the words don't exist in modern concepts instead of taking the time to study the original texts and just dishing out a handful of bible quotes is doing exactly the same thing as any fundementalist does.  So what makes yourself any different from the people you are opposing?
 
Not much.  It's just more PC to dish out anti religon sentiment than it is to bible bash on a street corner.
 
And not everyone here at cc or the world in general centres around the US society. 
 
the.dark.



colouredin -> RE: Religion and D/s (3/10/2008 9:06:58 AM)

There are varying degrees/types of everything in any belief I have met some Christians who will scream at you for having sex outside of marriage and some who are the most laid back people in the world, bashing a belief no matter how accapted it is in the media is just another silly generalisation thing that it seems is the basis for so many ideas that people have. 



RCdc -> RE: Religion and D/s (3/10/2008 9:11:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: colouredin

There are varying degrees/types of everything in any belief I have met some Christians who will scream at you for having sex outside of marriage and some who are the most laid back people in the world, bashing a belief no matter how accapted it is in the media is just another silly generalisation thing that it seems is the basis for so many ideas that people have. 


Zactly - people hold up a religion and expect everyone to be that way.  I guess it's the easy way hey.  All christians are hypocrites and wanna kill homosexuals.  All muslims believe in terrorism.  All BDSMers are abusers or abused.  All sinners and non believers will go to hell.  All women should be kept at home.  All homeless people sponge off the state.
 
Don't ya just love the easy way?[;)]
 
the.dark.



LilMissHaven -> RE: Religion and D/s (3/10/2008 9:12:17 AM)

If pressed I'd define myself as a paganistic christian meaning I'm a baptized Lutheran who also follows the way of the Arapaho nation.

My advice is to close the books and open your heart. 



Justme696 -> RE: Religion and D/s (3/10/2008 9:19:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

To save myself from the Lynch Mob I will respectivly decline to explain my stance on this subject.

But know that I am a recovering addict so God and Spirituality are a large part of my life today,..... They are just AS I UNDERSTAND THEM.

Steel


lol then why do you write it in fat and bigger letters?
As you said..it is your view.and stil you want us to know it...:P

I am glad it helps you



Justme696 -> RE: Religion and D/s (3/10/2008 9:22:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: EponasChylde
Well I suspect that science will one day understand these things...for nothing is "outside" of nature.


That implies also when they can't...it doesn't excist?
(yes yes I know..tricky tricky...but I had too ask. If one says..science might discover it..they might also be able to proof other wise)



colouredin -> RE: Religion and D/s (3/10/2008 9:24:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

people hold up a religion and expect everyone to be that way.  I guess it's the easy way hey.  All christians are hypocrites and wanna kill homosexuals.  All muslims believe in terrorism.  All BDSMers are abusers or abused.  All sinners and non believers will go to hell.  All women should be kept at home.  All homeless people sponge off the state.
 
Don't ya just love the easy way?[;)]
 
the.dark.


Some people are tossers some arent

end of i rekon [:D]



SteelofUtah -> RE: Religion and D/s (3/10/2008 9:27:29 AM)

JustMe,

Often I think it is a Language Barrier that causes some of the rude comments you makes.

This one however seems you only wanted a reason to be trite and arrogant. I did not explain my views on religion I simply explained that My Spiritual nature is based on how I personally understand God and not on some dogmatic path.

More often then not I get the impression you aren't even trying to see what is being typed you are only looking for the attack you can make on it.

Poor Show Ol' Boy Poor Show.

Steel



RCdc -> RE: Religion and D/s (3/10/2008 9:30:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: colouredin
Some people are tossers some arent

end of i rekon [:D]



Really - we need to have a 'highfive' icon...[image]http://forums.s2kca.com/images/smilies/highfive.gif[/image]
 
the.dark.
 



Justme696 -> RE: Religion and D/s (3/10/2008 9:35:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

JustMe,

Often I think it is a Language Barrier that causes some of the rude comments you makes.

This one however seems you only wanted a reason to be trite and arrogant. I did not explain my views on religion I simply explained that My Spiritual nature is based on how I personally understand God and not on some dogmatic path.

More often then not I get the impression you aren't even trying to see what is being typed you are only looking for the attack you can make on it.

Poor Show Ol' Boy Poor Show.

Steel


You ofcourse are free to see my post as you want. I do that with yours too, hence my reaction.

You came on saying...that it is how you see it...that is great...and how it should be, agree fully.
Still you try to convince us with the letter type you choose. To me..that is interesting...because it started so powerfull..still you try..in my view...to convince us..with the adjusted lay out.

for the rest..I don';t care what you think of me..arrogant or not. Use the block function.

ps: did you see the "glad it helps you" part? wow rude not..



LilMissHaven -> RE: Religion and D/s (3/10/2008 9:37:10 AM)

Prejudice is the burden that confuses the past, threatens the future, and renders the present inaccessible.

Maya Angelou

Just seemed fitting here



EponasChylde -> RE: Religion and D/s (3/10/2008 9:37:30 AM)

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That implies also when they can't...it doesn't excist?
(yes yes I know..tricky tricky...but I had too ask. If one says..science might discover it..they might also be able to proof other wise)


I don't think you can prove that something spiritual doesn't exist...you can only prove that science can't explain it...yet ;)



RCdc -> RE: Religion and D/s (3/10/2008 9:44:54 AM)

This is Darcy

The trouble with religion is......your're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't! [;)]



TracyTaken -> RE: Religion and D/s (3/10/2008 9:53:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

Religon should be questioned, absolutely.  But there is a huge difference between questioning religon and singling out specific groups of believers.

Go search the threads here.  Christians and Muslims gain much ridicule and told they are ultimately 'wrong' for their belief.  Jewish - yeah you get anti semitism too - it's just a lot more 'refined'.  Religon isn't just christian, islam and judasim that is my point
 - but these are the sections that are berated as though they are fair game. . . .


Possible because "Most of the serious religiously motivated conflicts, mass crimes against humanity and geocides in the 20th century have been between Muslims and Christians. This has included genocides in Bosnia Herzegovina, East Timor, and the Sudan, as well as serious conflicts in Cyprus,  Kosovo, Macedonia, and the Philippines."  Quote from religioustolerance.org.

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You could seperate catholicism from christianity and place that highest on the list - but it still comes down to the same thing.


Yes, it does.  The revered leader is anti-homosexual and misogynist.  The religion's history is as bloody and violent as any that ever existed (and the priesthood has proven to be quite twisted).  Why does saying so - stating fact - amount to hate-mongering in your mind?
 
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It's not 'challenging' it is hate mongering - doing exactly the same as any fundemental.  Sticking up 'fear properganda' about what you must and mustn't and do and who must be killed and stoned, from some outdated book that was constructed with not even half the scriptures, which have been mis-interpreted from the original text where most of the words don't exist in modern concepts.


And I'll break it off right here since I've found zero reason to believe that the myth of Jesus Christ (that the man even existed) has any basis in fact, so the various scriptures mean nothing to me.  To my mind, it's not "outdated" or "misconstrued" - it's fiction.  "Misinterpreted" can only go so far, however.  The book jam packed with the most ugly and destructive human behavior imaginable.  That includes the behavior of "God" of course.  The Spanish Inquisition was not a distortion of what it is written in that book; it was an expression of it.

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So what makes yourself any different from the people you are opposing?


I don't purport any belief in a deity, in a chosen people, in sin, in religious war (or in using religion to support a war), in eternal life.  I have absolutely no belief that religion is good for humanity or that belief in deity is good for human beings.  I actually believe that putting more value on known facts than ancient myth is a really good idea.
 
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Not much.  It's just more PC to dish out anti religon sentiment than it is to bible bash on a street corner.


It's not actually.  It's much more acceptable to believe that abortion is murder, that homosexuals are sinners, that global turmoil is good news because it signals the second coming, than it is to say outloud:  "Religion is collective insanity and endlessly destructive."
 
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And not everyone here at cc or the world in general centres around the US society. 


Which is exactly why I specified US.  Had I not, I assume you would accuse me of the same error.
 



colouredin -> RE: Religion and D/s (3/10/2008 9:56:26 AM)

Yeah (remembers previous post) Didnt you also argue that there are no wars that have started without religion as the reason?



SubbieOnWheels -> RE: Religion and D/s (3/10/2008 10:08:17 AM)

[raises hand tentatively] Excuse me, but all this lovely discourse seems to have drifted away from the OP's original question. I interpret the question to be, "Is it consistent with practicing Christianity for the woman to be the dominant in a D/s dynamic?"

To which my answer is, Yes, depending on your interpretation of Christianity, of course.



colouredin -> RE: Religion and D/s (3/10/2008 10:09:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SubbieOnWheels

[raises hand tentatively] Excuse me, but all this lovely discourse seems to have drifted away from the OP's original question. I interpret the question to be, "Is it consistent with practicing Christianity for the woman to be the dominant in a D/s dynamic?"

To which my answer is, Yes, depending on your interpretation of Christianity, of course.


yeah sorry, sidetracked, I would agree :D



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