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100+ Years of Educational Progress - 3/10/2008 1:42:29 PM   
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Are you smarter than an 8th Grader circa 1895?
 
A friend of mine teaching education at Rutgers sent me this. He gives it to his students on the first day of class as a handout. He claims it derives from a final exam needed for cerifictation of an 8th grade education in Kansas. Check it out. How many (any?) could pass the 8th grade in 1895?  It was taken from  the original document on file at the Smokey Valley Genealogical Society and  Library in Salina , and reprinted by the Salina  Journal.


8th  Grade Final Exam:   Salina , KS -  1895
  
Grammar  (Time, one hour)
  1. Give nine rules for the use of capital letters.
  2. Name the parts of speech  and define those that have no modifications. 
  3. Define verse, stanza and  paragraph.
  4. What are the principal parts of a verb? Give principal parts  of "lie,""play," and "run." 
  5. Define case; illustrate each case.
  6. What is punctuation? Give rules for principal marks of punctuation. 
  7. -  10. Write a composition of about 150 words and show therein that you  understand the practical use of the rules of grammar.
Arithmetic  (Time,1 hour 15 minutes)
  1. Name and define the Fundamental Rules of Arithmetic.
  2. A wagon box is 2  ft. deep, 10 feet long, and 3 ft. wide. How many bushels of wheat will it  hold?
  3. If a load of wheat weighs 3,942 lbs., what is it worth at  50cts/bushel, deducting 1,050 lbs. for tare? 
  4.  District No 33 has a  valuation of $35,000. What is the necessary levy to carry on a school seven  months at $50 per month, and have $104 for incidentals?
  5. Find the cost  of 6,720 lbs. coal at $6.00 per ton.
  6. Find the interest of $512.60 for  8 months and 18 days at 7 percent.
  7. What is the cost of 40 boards 12  inches wide and 16 ft. long at $20 per metre?
  8. Find bank discount on  $300 for 90 days (no grace) at 10 percent.
  9. What is the cost of a  square farm at $15 per acre, the distance of which is 640 rods?
  10. Write a Bank Check, a Promissory Note, and a Receipt.
U.S. History (Time, 45  minutes)
  1. Give  the epochs into which U.S. History is divided
  2. Give an account of the  discovery of America by Columbus .
  3. Relate the causes  and results of the Revolutionary War.
  4. Show the territorial growth of  the United States . 
  5. Tell what you can of the history of Kansas . 
  6. Describe  three of the most prominent battles of the Rebellion.
  7. Who were the  following: Morse, Whitney, Fulton , Bell , Lincoln , Penn, and Howe?
  8. Name  events connected with the following dates: 1607, 1620, 1800, 1849, 1865.  
Orthography  (Time, one hour)  
[Before going on - How many know what this is?]
  1. What is  meant by the following: alphabet, phonetic, orthography, etymology,  syllabication
  2. What are elementary sounds? How classified?
  3. What  are the following, and give examples of each: trigraph, subvocals,  diphthong, cognate letters, linguals 
  4. Give four substitutes for caret  'u.' (HUH?) 
  5. Give two rules for spelling words with final 'e.' Name  two exceptions under each rule.
  6. Give two uses of silent letters in  spelling. Illustrate each.
  7. Define the following prefixes and use in  connection with a word: bi, dis, mis, pre, semi, post, non, inter, mono, sup. 
  8. Mark diacritically and divide into syllables the following, and  name the sign that indicates the sound: card, ball, mercy, sir, odd, cell,  rise, blood, fare, last.
  9. Use the following correctly in sentences:  cite, site, sight, fane, fain, feign, vane , vain, vein, raze, raise, rays. 
  10. Write 10 words frequently mispronounced and indicate pronunciation  by use of diacritical marks and by syllabication.  
Geography  (Time, one hour)
  1. What is  climate? Upon what does climate depend?
  2. How do you account for the  extremes of climate in Kansas ? 
  3. Of what use are  rivers? Of what use is the ocean?
  4. Describe the mountains of North America . 
  5. Name and describe the  following: Monrovia ,  Odessa , Denver ,  Manitoba , Hecla, Yukon , St. Helena, Juan Fernandez,  Aspinwall and Orinoco . 
  6. Name and  locate the principal trade centers of the U.S.
  7. Name all the  republics of Europe and give the capital of  each.
  8. Why is the Atlantic Coast colder than the Pacific  in the same latitude?
  9. Describe the process by which the water of the  ocean returns to the sources of rivers.
  10. Describe the movements of  the earth. Give the inclination of the earth.


Notice  that the exam took FIVE HOURS to complete. Gives the saying "he only had an 8th grade  education" a whole new meaning, doesn't it?
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RE: 100+ Years of Educational Progress - 3/10/2008 1:49:15 PM   
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As the pool of knowledge grows with human evolution, eight graders no longer need to know the rules of capitalisation and esoteric arithmetic... The eight graders in 1895 would have no clue how to begin tackling the problems today's eight graders have to solve.

I know it's hard to accept; it's tough when 15 year olds have no idea about things that I was educated in (such as the impact of the Shoah), or don't know how to articulate an argument around paragraphs, or have no clue how to punctuate, but what can we do? The times, they are a-changin'.

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RE: 100+ Years of Educational Progress - 3/10/2008 1:49:39 PM   
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The language looks dated, and the math's rather simplisitic, but it otherwise looks pretty similiar to today's exams.

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RE: 100+ Years of Educational Progress - 3/10/2008 1:52:11 PM   
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i never went to school...health problems.
so im a fucking dumb shit!  FEAR ME!


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RE: 100+ Years of Educational Progress - 3/10/2008 2:41:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

As the pool of knowledge grows with human evolution, eight graders no longer need to know the rules of capitalisation and esoteric arithmetic... The eight graders in 1895 would have no clue how to begin tackling the problems today's eight graders have to solve.

I know it's hard to accept; it's tough when 15 year olds have no idea about things that I was educated in (such as the impact of the Shoah), or don't know how to articulate an argument around paragraphs, or have no clue how to punctuate, but what can we do? The times, they are a-changin'.
So, is it time for me to put up the list of Logical Fallacies, kitten?  The vid which teaches how to figure out mathematically why the dopes who think we'll never run out of oil, or that growth has no limits with respect to available resources (one moron, a politician, I think (part VII of the vid) said something to the effect of, "ultimately, all the energy on Earth comes from the sun. If we run out, there are other suns."), went over like a Led Zeppelin.

Anyways, if one is taught those things in a class, it stands to reason that one should be tested on those things, yes? I had Earth science in the Eighth grade. Learned about Continental drift, varieties of clouds, composition of the atmosphere, most prevalent elements on Earth, volcanoes, stuff like that. Had pre-algebra. Learning how to use a microscope. Ninth grade was a foreign language.

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RE: 100+ Years of Educational Progress - 3/10/2008 3:16:29 PM   
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(I actually agree with you... :-) .

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RE: 100+ Years of Educational Progress - 3/10/2008 3:30:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

(I actually agree with you... :-) .
Oops! I wasn't clear. I meant "time to trot it out so as to show that the OP has a BS "claim." Es tut mir Leid.

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RE: 100+ Years of Educational Progress - 3/10/2008 3:33:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

(I actually agree with you... :-) .
Oops! I wasn't clear. I meant "time to trot it out so as to show that the OP has a BS "claim." Es tut mir Leid.


No, it's me... sorry, I got it chapters later lol.

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RE: 100+ Years of Educational Progress - 3/10/2008 3:40:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

As the pool of knowledge grows with human evolution, eight graders no longer need to know the rules of capitalisation and esoteric arithmetic... The eight graders in 1895 would have no clue how to begin tackling the problems today's eight graders have to solve.

I know it's hard to accept; it's tough when 15 year olds have no idea about things that I was educated in (such as the impact of the Shoah), or don't know how to articulate an argument around paragraphs, or have no clue how to punctuate, but what can we do? The times, they are a-changin'.


Although I agree to a certain extent that the times are different, there is still a matter of basic arithmatic and being able to write a paper without relying on spell check and grammar check programs.
I have no reason to convert bushels, but I could do it with a table, and I believe it is something I learned "back in the day" .  I could probably take that test in the time alloted and do reasonably well.
A big problem is that too many young students are not being taught the basics.  How many can find Europe or Africa (I am talking entire continents here!) on a map, or balance a checkbook?  Instead they are being sent home with papers and instructions to go through their house and see how many "problems" ("hazards") they can find and then report it back to the teacher.  That is happening and, frankly, that scares Me. 
They are being taught specialized areas with a view towards molding emotional thinking as opposed to critical thinking.  There is something wrong with a system that turns out supposed math geniuses who are facing home foreclosure because they have no common sense or self discipline.
JMO, of course. 

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RE: 100+ Years of Educational Progress - 3/10/2008 3:47:43 PM   
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A big problem is that too many young students are not being taught the basics.  How many can find Europe or Africa (I am talking entire continents here!) on a map, or balance a checkbook?  Instead they are being sent home with papers and instructions to go through their house and see how many "problems" ("hazards") they can find and then report it back to the teacher.  That is happening and, frankly, that scares Me. 
They are being taught specialized areas with a view towards molding emotional thinking as opposed to critical thinking.  There is something wrong with a system that turns out supposed math geniuses who are facing home foreclosure because they have no common sense or self discipline.

 
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RE: 100+ Years of Educational Progress - 3/10/2008 4:03:27 PM   
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You're ever so welcome, of course! 

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RE: 100+ Years of Educational Progress - 3/10/2008 4:12:10 PM   
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A very well known myth, that should have only taken a few moments to see right through...assuming one actually has a modern education...

http://www.snopes.com/language/document/1895exam.asp





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RE: 100+ Years of Educational Progress - 3/10/2008 4:50:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

A very well known myth, that should have only taken a few moments to see right through...assuming one actually has a modern education...

http://www.snopes.com/language/document/1895exam.asp







Damnit!!!  You beat me to it.

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RE: 100+ Years of Educational Progress - 3/10/2008 4:54:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

A very well known myth, that should have only taken a few moments to see right through...assuming one actually has a modern education...

http://www.snopes.com/language/document/1895exam.asp 


THANKS to you too Alumbrando - That Rutger bastard now owes me a dinner! I bet him that if it were a fraud someone here would point it out.

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RE: 100+ Years of Educational Progress - 3/10/2008 5:04:36 PM   
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To no one in particular...

The math in this "8th grade final exam" is elementary math that many boys would need to know how to calculate in order to run their own farms efficiently. It's what we'd call "real-world math today"

Aa a high school math teacher and parent, I can tell you, 8th grade students today are expected to know the basics of Algebra in order to graduate. IMO- much tougher math considering that I've found most 14 years olds to be severely lacking in the critical thinking skills necessary to mast many of the concepts of algebra.... but I'm just a teacher s what do I know.... (eye roll)

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RE: 100+ Years of Educational Progress - 3/10/2008 8:26:59 PM   
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I substitute teach when I am not in class, and alot of kids I see are hopeless. They can not find an index in a book or the table of contents. They have no manners, no sense of how to study to make themselves better. Anyhow, it makes me sad about the future.

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RE: 100+ Years of Educational Progress - 3/10/2008 8:38:39 PM   
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Just for fun, I timed myself on the english portion of the test. Using the internet, I had all the answers within ten minutes. Not the hour allotted by the test itself.

Knowing facts is nice, but it's not the basis of a real education. Rather, knowing how to find the information you need in order to answer a question, or to deduce a solution to a problem is far, far more important. Computers are great for storing information and retrieving it. (They're not just for enjoying online porn.) The real trick for humans is knowing how to think creatively, and originally.

"Imagination is more important than knowledge." -Albert Einstien

Try reading "The Door Into Summer" by Robert Heinlien. He makes a good point in this novel about how a man from any age can teach himself any new technology. How to make use of it is the main thing.

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RE: 100+ Years of Educational Progress - 3/10/2008 8:42:41 PM   
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One of the problems today with education is that its not education, its indoctrination. Kids are often taught whatever the latest new fad in teaching is, and have no real usable knowledge or skills because of it. For example, the whole idea of not using red ink to correct the papers because it looks too harsh. i mean really, what happens when these kids hit the real world and find out there are consequences for mistakes? We have created a bunch of feel good morons who can't handle criticism, and we are paying the price.

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RE: 100+ Years of Educational Progress - 3/10/2008 10:42:56 PM   
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Just for fun, I timed myself on the english portion of the test. Using the internet, I had all the answers within ten minutes. Not the hour allotted by the test itself.

Knowing facts is nice, but it's not the basis of a real education. Rather, knowing how to find the information you need in order to answer a question, or to deduce a solution to a problem is far, far more important. Computers are great for storing information and retrieving it. (They're not just for enjoying online porn.) The real trick for humans is knowing how to think creatively, and originally.

"Imagination is more important than knowledge." -Albert Einstien

Try reading "The Door Into Summer" by Robert Heinlien. He makes a good point in this novel about how a man from any age can teach himself any new technology. How to make use of it is the main thing.


I love this answer!  I don't know any of the answers, but that doesn't matter, I'll use a technology which didn't exist when these questions were asked!  Knowing where to look is just as good as actually knowing!!!

This is just an excuse for the terrible educational system we have today.  Children today are being taught that feelings are just as valid as actual facts.

It's the fault of the teachers and the teacher's unions.  They fight like tigers to do one thing, and one thing only...that's to raise their salaries.  The success or failure of their students doesn't figure into the equation AT ALL.

Come back to me when there is competition in the educational system.  Come back to me when government gets completely out of the educational system, and its only role is to pass taxpayer money along to the thousands of religious and other private schools that would spring up, teaching those who want to learn.

An educated populace is in the best interests of society.  The current system failed years ago.  We have an educational system that bores the intelligent, and frustrates those less so. 

We should have a solid technical educational system available to the many who have no business being in a four-year college.  There is plenty of opportunity for plumbers, mechanics, electricians and the like out there, yet we are neglecting those young people who would be perfect for those careers.  Do you have any idea what a self-employed plumber makes these days?  I have a friend who is a plumber and he makes over $100,000 per year.  Not bad, huh? 

The No Child Left Behind Act was exactly the wrong 'solution' to this problem.

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RE: 100+ Years of Educational Progress - 3/10/2008 11:12:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bipolarber

Just for fun, I timed myself on the english portion of the test. Using the internet, I had all the answers within ten minutes. Not the hour allotted by the test itself.

Knowing facts is nice, but it's not the basis of a real education. Rather, knowing how to find the information you need in order to answer a question, or to deduce a solution to a problem is far, far more important. Computers are great for storing information and retrieving it. (They're not just for enjoying online porn.) The real trick for humans is knowing how to think creatively, and originally.

"Imagination is more important than knowledge." -Albert Einstien

Try reading "The Door Into Summer" by Robert Heinlien. He makes a good point in this novel about how a man from any age can teach himself any new technology. How to make use of it is the main thing.


I love this answer!  I don't know any of the answers, but that doesn't matter, I'll use a technology which didn't exist when these questions were asked!  Knowing where to look is just as good as actually knowing!!!

This is just an excuse for the terrible educational system we have today.  Children today are being taught that feelings are just as valid as actual facts.

It's the fault of the teachers and the teacher's unions.  They fight like tigers to do one thing, and one thing only...that's to raise their salaries.  The success or failure of their students doesn't figure into the equation AT ALL.

Come back to me when there is competition in the educational system.  Come back to me when government gets completely out of the educational system, and its only role is to pass taxpayer money along to the thousands of religious and other private schools that would spring up, teaching those who want to learn.

An educated populace is in the best interests of society.  The current system failed years ago.  We have an educational system that bores the intelligent, and frustrates those less so. 

We should have a solid technical educational system available to the many who have no business being in a four-year college.  There is plenty of opportunity for plumbers, mechanics, electricians and the like out there, yet we are neglecting those young people who would be perfect for those careers.  Do you have any idea what a self-employed plumber makes these days?  I have a friend who is a plumber and he makes over $100,000 per year.  Not bad, huh? 

The No Child Left Behind Act was exactly the wrong 'solution' to this problem.
I'm replying to this to mostly bookmark it, but let me ask you one question.

Is it possible that the observation by young people that effort and knowledge matter less than cronyism and connections (I offer the Bush Admin as my example; "Heck of a Job, Brownie!" says all that need be said) leads them to conclude that effort doesn't matter?

There are literally millions of Americans who are more intelligent than Bush. Young people observe that (rethug spin to the contrary) Bush is a relative moron. He had a Silver Spoon in his mouth his whole life. He never had a successful business venture (the critics don't go far enough; he never fucking WOULD'VE had ANY business ventures were it not for the family connections); he couldn't live up to his military obligations; he was a drunk and cokehead; he could barely make it through college (look, MBAs are not that hard to obtain; if they were, there wouldn't be so many of them. Duh.); he was a complete fuck as a Governor (let's fry some prisoners!)(continuing his illustrious careeer as an unempathetic animal-torturer); and then the, well, we know what happened. The fuck has taken the most amazing country in the world and run it into the ground for his ass-licking honky friends in the Petroleum Club down there in Houston. And his buds the House of Saud.

Now, I am just using this as an example, but I remember Nixon. I've seen some of this shit. Nixon was going to be impeached over an office break-in. Bush has lied the country into a foreign adventure so he and his leach trust-fund shits can raid the US Treasury. Steal all of our money. Move said money offshore (they wrote the tax laws, they gave themselves a mechanism whereby wealth can be easily transferred out of the US) and then blame people for being "un-Patriotic" and "not supporting the troops" when they are called on their shit.

You don't think kids don't see this and say to themselves, "the game is rigged"? You think they don't see it's not what you know, but who you know? You think they don't see the connection to Ghetto Mansions and playing golf with the boss? You think they don't see the glass ceiling that women, who are a billion times more competent than that shit "legacy" who got into Yale because of his connections, run into every day? Making less money than that swinging dick fuck who works 20% less hours for 20% more money? You think kids don't see that?

Fuck, I'll tell you this: if kids ever start rising up, like the Sixties, and start changing things, I'll give them everything I have.   /rant 

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