Termyn8or
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I wonder what thread it is to which you refer.
There are several dynamics of human psychology at work here.
First, the gay bashers, I mean people who would go seek them out and beat them up are generally unsure of their own sexuality. And I got proof. I know someone who, when they were young and dumb. Years later I see him at a scene with a 20" dildo up his ass. Big fat one too. What does that tell you ?
Then we have Gays. In an in depth discussion with Jose, he tells me that noone would choose this. Now I am not gay, my ass is exit only. But I can try to understand. We talked for a few hours. He is a reasonable Man, and can accept viewpoints that oppose his lifestyle, but I have only one. There is no bigotry or prejudice in me, but I made my point "If everyone was like you, there would be no more people". This is true but -
If everyone was like me there would be no people. I enjoy the fruits of my labor without having to support kids. Never got with the right Woman and at 47 I deem it too late. Also when I was younger I did not have the maturity to properly raise a child. So I contribute no more that a Gay to the body of humanity.
I wish Gays would find a way to have kids. I have found them to be intelligent and a few other things. This probably because they had to get smart to conceal their preference, and possibly later the fortitude to come out so to speak.
BTW, just how different is this than BDSM ? Some of us just don't get turned on without it. Picture a guy who sees a couple out in public, and instead of looking at the Woman, they look at the Man. Not to rape the guy, it's not like that. It's just like us looking at a Woman we know we will never have. With any decent amount of brains we dismiss the idea rather quickly and move on to something we possibly CAN get.
And that brings up one thing about human nature that might be hard to beat. When a Man looks at a Woman she has no idea if he is seeing her as a person or a sex object. So in the locker room, there are seperate areas for Men and Women. But if there is a Gay in the Men's locker room, the others do not want to be seen as a sex object. But they have no qualms about doing it to someone else.
Would I fuck a Man in the ass ? No. Would I fuck a Woman in the ass ? Yes. While I would not coerce her to do it on any way, if she wants it that way fine. But with a Man it is simply not my preference. For a Gay it is.
I'm told by people when the subject comes up "As long as they don't try to recruit me or my kids, fine". They don't do that. Generally.
There is however one group that gives the Gay community a big black eye, because they do recruit. Not that many people know about it but NAMBLA does actively recruit. But these are also pedophiles, and are not ummm mainstream deviants (?).
From the Gays I know personally and what I've read all over the place we cannot put Gays into this category, NAMBLA is a bunch of sickos. Their name stands for North American Man Boy Love Association. Their motto is or at least used to be "Sex by eight or it's too late".
This group not withstanding, and I hope they now withstanding, are the type who will foster bigotry in the general population. They should have been disbanded and arrested because what they do is patently illegal in just about every part of the world, and wrong. Instead, for a time they were given consultant status at the UN. I do not know if they still hold that position.
Enough on that, I am not sure they even still exist. And I will not research the subject. If you want to fine, I just have no interest and hope they no longer even exist.
The Gays I know in RL and the ones I've corresponded with have no aspiration to recruit new people to "come over to their side". I'm sure they would want nothing at all to do with NAMBLA or any similar organization.
Bigotry is almost always borne from insecurity, basically fear. Sometimes jealousy.
And it is not going to stop anytime soon because people are immature and some stay that way.
Not to hijack, but consider this, even though it is a tertiary issue at best.
I was over my buddy Jim Watt's house one day and the TV is on. Rare for him but sometimes he watched it. There was a story about this twenty year old who married this guy who was like 70. She took him for alot of money. His opinion was approximately "If he is that stupid now, how stupid was he before ? And how did he make all that money, probably some government program". His point is if you are 70 and a 20 year old is willing to marry you, you are a fool to go through with it for reasons that are so obvious.
So some people never grow up, and that is a shame.
Another bit of progress I noticed, with the Gay bashing of the past, alot of them have turned to working out and learning martial arts. If you want to do some Gay bashing these days you might find yourself on the ground in a pool of blood. That's a good thing because a good ass whipping teaches alot.
Some don't like the Goth crowd, some don't like Asians, some think anybody into BDSM should be locked up because we are crazy. They fear those different than themselves and lash out, with a supposed show of strength, but in reality the action was impelled by fear.
But part of the original question was are Gays a different class. That may be hard to answer. Are people into BDSM a different class ? Are crossdressers a different class ? Are the Goths a different class ?
The problem is the definition of class. Even without BDSM there are people who are dominant or submissive in life, are they different classes ?
Once at the Grid, a fetish club I saw a guy dressed up like a baby, bonnet and everything. I'd bet the farm he had a diaper on as well but do not know for sure. Is he a different class than me ? Well I would never do what he did. But so what ? What if he sat down at the bar nearby and we got to talking. That would've been a trip. What if in that conversation I found out that he was a construction worker or an auto mechanic ?
Actually I should have approached and asked, sounds like that could be interesting. What would I do ? "so you are Mr. Goodwrench eh ?". How that discussion would've went is a mystery. What if I found out that he is an electronics technician like me ? Could be y'know. What if I found out that he sleeps that way after his Wife puts him into restraints ? Now we have a point of reference.
This is indeed one of the harder questions to answer that I have run across. Congratulations.
But to answer it, class must be clearly defined. Do you like rap or country ? If we differ in that preference are we in a different class than one another ?
Very hard to get a real answer on this. I tried. When thinking of class, most people think upper, middle and lower. Many people define class with money, but as we can see that is not the whole story.
So define class.
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