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U.N. torture envoy says U.S. deny access to Iraq jails - 3/11/2008 2:20:15 PM   
Gwynvyd


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Ok my head is about to explode.. and I thought I felt bad before I started reading this article. Holy Shit Batman.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL1113820080311


GENEVA (Reuters) - The U.N. investigator on torture said on Tuesday the United States had denied his request to visit U.S.-run jails in Iraq and insisted a visit could help clear its legacy of the prison abuse scandal in Abu Ghraib.
Manfred Nowak, United Nations special rapporteur on torture, said he had received credible information the situation had improved at U.S. detention facilities in recent years, but stressed only a visit would allow him to verify them.


What the fuck are we doing?????

Ok peeps call your congressman. http://www.congress.org/congressorg/directory/congdir.tt

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RE: U.N. torture envoy says U.S. deny access to Iraq jails - 3/11/2008 2:35:31 PM   
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Gwyn, yeah I agree, the "U.N." has no jusisdictional authority to be doing this kind of thing.
It is (supposed) to be a "deliberative body" nothing else!
And of course every cockeyed idea they come up with they expect more $ from the U.S.
By the time they got finished with it it would end up costing $20m just to "inspect" jails for a week!
"Jail Inspector" is not part of the "U.N."s job description.

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RE: U.N. torture envoy says U.S. deny access to Iraq jails - 3/11/2008 2:57:56 PM   
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Actualy it now is... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2419133.stm  It was voted in. We said we wouldnt pay for it.. On this watch I have no doubt of why we didnt back it or want to pay for it.

ya know we cant have it both ways.. when our men and women are in prisons around the world we do not want them to be maimed and tortured.. yet it is perfectly fine for us to do it. It used to be you could go abroad and if you got into a bit of trouble say "I am an American Citizen" Now that holds no value. They will treat you no better then how they treat thier own.. and feel no need to protect you as we once were. ( being as that we treated our prisoners fairly so they followed suit. We had respect.)

Someone has to be able to go in and check these places out world wide... is it because we are Americans that we are above reproach? I sure as hell hope not.

We said it was useless since they give warning before hand... ( time to clean up) So what is our excuse other then something to hide or just plain pissiness this Chimp in Charge and his cronies have against the UN?

We are not above international Law.. no matter how many times our Govt decides to break it.

Just my thoughts..

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RE: U.N. torture envoy says U.S. deny access to Iraq jails - 3/11/2008 3:00:28 PM   
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This story is setting all off kinds of political manipulation alarms for me.   The timing is especially suspect since his report would be coming out just prior to our presidential elections.

It sounds reasonable on the surface, but I suspect a number of games are being played.

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RE: U.N. torture envoy says U.S. deny access to Iraq jails - 3/11/2008 3:15:50 PM   
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yeah hiding all behind the curtain of The UN are a bunch of Poopie heads so we arent playing!

Ol King Georgie wants to keep his sovereignty so he elected John Bolton to the UN. He is the biggest Chuckle Head... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_R._Bolton  and has stated every chance he gets that we should break away from the UN. This was before he was in his post. LOL He mainly got it (IMO) for his work in the Bush admin with WMD pocket pool.
Bolton was instrumental in derailing a 2001 biological weapons conference in Geneva convened to endorse a UN proposal to enforce the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention. "U.S. officials, led by Bolton, argued that the plan would have put U.S. national security at risk by allowing spot inspections of suspected U.S. weapons sites, despite the fact that the U.S. claims not to have carried out any research for offensive purposes since 1969."[14]
Also in 2002, Bolton is said to have flown to Europe to demand the resignation of Jose Bustani, head of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), and to have orchestrated his removal at a special session of the organization.[citation needed] The United Nations' highest administrative tribunal later condemned the action as an "unacceptable violation" of principles protecting international civil servants. Bustani had been unanimously re-elected for a four-year term — with strong U.S. support — in May 2000, and in 2001 was praised for his leadership by Colin Powell.[15]
He also pushed for reduced funding for the Nunn-Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction program to halt the proliferation of nuclear materials.[16] At the same time, he was involved in the implementation of the Proliferation Security Initiative, working with a number of countries to intercept the trafficking in weapons of mass destruction and in materials for use in building nuclear weapons. Following one such interception at sea, Libya made an agreement with the U.K. and the U.S. to dismantle its nuclear weapons industry.

He has the charm of a peice of 7 day old road kill. (about as offensive too) 

Look at all of the stuff this bunch of galoots refused to sign with the UN.

Luckily we have someone new in the post.. but the damage has been done. And it isnt any better.

On the international playing field we are the great Chuckle Heads. Between Water Boarding, our Secret Prisons... not allowing inspections ( how shitty do we get when folks do allow the Un to inspect them? Um... Iraq anyone?) Wire tapping our own folks... well fuck... that is just the shit we know about.

I wonder how many SS style human experiments this admin has going on come to think of it.. hell I think that is all that is left.

Any body have any Twin relatives go missing in the last 7 years?

Gwyn,
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RE: U.N. torture envoy says U.S. deny access to Iraq jails - 3/11/2008 3:42:13 PM   
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Gwyn, whatever happened to the RED CROSS inspecting prisons like they've always done?
I mean why is the "U.N." trying to get involved in this?
This is not their area of expertise.

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RE: U.N. torture envoy says U.S. deny access to Iraq jails - 3/11/2008 4:03:34 PM   
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Gwyn, whatever happened to the RED CROSS inspecting prisons like they've always done?
I mean why is the "U.N." trying to get involved in this?
This is not their area of expertise.


Yes it is thier area.. Human rights violations is what the UN "does"

The Red Cross can make what ever reconmendations.. but no one has to follow them. They are empty gestures. Thier reports are made directly to that Govt. The reports are confidental. ( the only way they got into Gitmo.) http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/americas/01/19/ret.detainees.red.cross/index.html

So with the Red Cross doing it yes at least some one is in there.. but it does not in effect make a change. they have blown off Red Cross' reconmendations.

Only a legistlating world body like the UN can actualy effect govts, and make them change things.

Are we so above the law?

Should we be?

I sure as fuck dont think so.. look where that sort of thinking has gotten us in the last 7 years.

At least with the Un every one has a say and it is not one Madman and his cabnet bulling the world around.. that is why the Un was created. No wonder they want to drop out of it so badly.

Gwyn

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RE: U.N. torture envoy says U.S. deny access to Iraq jails - 3/11/2008 4:14:59 PM   
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Popeye,
 
The Red Cross does inspect prisoners but the reports are confidential.
 
(From the same article) -
 
" At least 30,000 prisoners are held by Iraqi authorities, according to the International Committee of the Red Cross which made its first visit to security detainees held by Iraq's central government last October.

The neutral Red Cross -- whose reports are confidential unlike those of U.N. investigators -- still seeks a wider agreement for access to all prisoners held by Iraq. Sunni Arabs have accused the Shi'ite-led interior ministry of operating torture centers and dungeons holding Sunni detainees."

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RE: U.N. torture envoy says U.S. deny access to Iraq jails - 3/11/2008 5:41:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gwynvyd

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Gwyn, whatever happened to the RED CROSS inspecting prisons like they've always done?
I mean why is the "U.N." trying to get involved in this?
This is not their area of expertise.


Yes it is thier area.. Human rights violations is what the UN "does"

The Red Cross can make what ever reconmendations.. but no one has to follow them. They are empty gestures. Thier reports are made directly to that Govt. The reports are confidental. ( the only way they got into Gitmo.) http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/americas/01/19/ret.detainees.red.cross/index.html

So with the Red Cross doing it yes at least some one is in there.. but it does not in effect make a change. they have blown off Red Cross' reconmendations.

Only a legistlating world body like the UN can actualy effect govts, and make them change things.

Are we so above the law?

Should we be?

I sure as fuck dont think so.. look where that sort of thinking has gotten us in the last 7 years.

At least with the Un every one has a say and it is not one Madman and his cabnet bulling the world around.. that is why the Un was created. No wonder they want to drop out of it so badly.

Gwyn


About 8 or 10 years ago the "U.N." sent a guy and some "assistants" to a few state prisons in this country under the guise of "inspecting" them.
The Wardens wouldn't let them in. lol And that's when Clinton was president.
The "U.N." is not a "legislating" body, they are a "deliberative" body.
They can't make laws.
I can't think of *any* "organisation" that is more incompetant than the "U.N.", can you? F.E.M.A. would look absolutely sterling in comparison.
And just when did the "U.N." get into the "human rights" business?
I've seen all their *self written* "rules" and "regulations" that say that "they" can basically do anything they want but anyone who believes that stuff would make a good Nazi.
I probably hate Bush more than you do so it has nothing to do with him or his "policies."
The "U.N." has no credibility.
What's next, the "U.N." space program? Land a spaceship on the sun?
Seventeen more "resolutions?"



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