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Passion of a Romance Novel - 3/12/2008 6:34:39 PM   
herpet1313


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Status: offline 		While I haven't read all that many myself, I know that most every romance novel is geared towards a female reader and almost always includes a scene where the heroine is swept away, taken, if you will, by the male of her dreams. This "being taken" moment of passion, while maybe not outright submission, does, nevertheless, involve a certain, if only a romanticdegree of D/s. Thus, my question.                                                                                                                        Is the desire to experience said "being taken" moments foreign to dominant women?
 I ask because being the male in such a moment also involves a degree of dominance. While I was never all that comfortable in that role, most of my life was in the vanilla world and in vanilla relationships so I did have play the Alpha Male part. I know the feelings I felt as I pounded away (sorry if too crude) especially as I neared the end. Even in a loving relationship my brain, at that end point, switched into a kind of "take this, bitch" dominant mentality. Those are feelings that, as a submissive, I don't miss and never want to experience again. 
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 PS My wife and Mistress says she doesn't miss it, but, having been cuckoled a few times over the years, I know she did enjoy some of the encounters. It just became too much work and involved a risk factor she can do without.
 
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RE: Passion of a Romance Novel - 3/12/2008 9:42:11 PM   
Lashra


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Status: offline 		I hate romance novels, I always have. They are boring drivel, I prefer something more intellectual. As for "being taken" thats what I like to do with my men, take them and use them for my pleasure. I see no gratification for me being on the other side of the D/s fence Passion? Oh yes I love it, but I'm the one who is the hunter toying with her prey. By the time I'm done with him we are both pretty much on the primal level, grunts, groans, panting, biting, clawing and I'm the one leading him down that path, pounding away.

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RE: Passion of a Romance Novel - 3/12/2008 9:55:17 PM   
DiurnalVampire


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Status: offline 		The idea of "bieng taken" does nothign for me. I do enjoy Fox's slightly agressive streak when it comes to certain sexual activities, but overall if you want to look at it from the standpoint of the romance noel, I am the Male character and he is the female. He is taken, I do the taking, from sweeping off his feet and all. I have literally swept him up and carried him into the bedroom. I like the conquer and take idea, but I dont like to be the taken, but the taker.
Even when it came to the proposal, I arrainged the dance, and I asked. He cried.
Aside from the genetics, Id say we were a perfectly normal Male/female role couple... I just happen to be the typical Male role and he the typical female one.

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RE: Passion of a Romance Novel - 3/12/2008 10:38:20 PM   
KindLadyGrey


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Status: offline 		I actually really enjoy reversing the roles and romancing the men I see. Men are very rarely romanced, and I think a lot of them often feel just as giddy as women do when their lover takes them to dinner, or brings them flowers or little gifts, or seduces them and leaves them a quivering puddle of nerves. Even vanilla men are often relieved and enchanted when a woman takes the lead.

Sexually, I must admit to occasionally wanting to be seduced. I've been on both sides of that equation and both are equally fulfilling in entirely different ways. Fortunately, just because a man is a submissive doesn't mean he can't take a dominant role in bed occasionally. I suppose there are some uber-subs and/or slaves who might balk at this, but most of the submissive men I see are not nearly that hardcore. (and IMHO, that's a good thing)

I find most romance novels demeaning. The woman is almost always infantilized, and that makes me want to throw the book into the fire. There are a few I like for "awwww!" value and a few I like for sheer ridiculosity (Gunpowder Raul and the pirate prince, arrrr!). But most of them. . .dreck.

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RE: Passion of a Romance Novel - 3/12/2008 10:49:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		They're called "bodice rippers", and they do nothing for Me. 

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RE: Passion of a Romance Novel - 3/12/2008 11:50:25 PM   
littlesarbonn


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They're called "bodice rippers", and they do nothing for Me. 


That's why I really don't like romances. As a submissive, whenever the bodice rips, it then becomes my responsibility to sew the bodice back together. It just seems like such a misallocation of submissive resources. I've recently been looking for a line of romances that are "bodice unzippers" or "bodice unfasteners" but the companies that churn out these novels continue to avoid my suggestions for improving their products.


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RE: Passion of a Romance Novel - 3/13/2008 2:13:52 AM   
Araven


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Status: offline 		I am going to agree with alot of what has already been said here. If the roles were reversed maybe. I absolutely love the idea of being taken for her pleasure, her wants, and her needs. I am her pet, her lover, her boy... She directs and commands me, and takes us both where we need to go during sex. =)

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RE: Passion of a Romance Novel - 3/13/2008 4:15:56 AM   
LadyJeelys


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Status: offline 		The "romance" genre covers a HUGE range of quality and theme, so while some are drivel and some are about "submissive" women, that does not mean all are. Kelly Armstrong's Women of the Otherworld series is classed as romance, and SOME of her heroines are more retiring than others. But then some of the heroines go around ripping out the throats of bad guys. So it just depends.




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RE: Passion of a Romance Novel - 3/13/2008 4:28:06 AM   
camille65


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Status: offline 		Absolutely LadyJeelys, there are more out there than the old standard bodice rippers. Having worked in a major bookstore for a decade I can firmly say that the bodice rippers have been edged over by a variety of new styles.Christine Feehan is another one that has the theme of the female rescuing the male from an eternity of being alone (admittedly I don't care overmuch for her books) as does Katie MacAlister, Lori Handiland (spelling of her name may be off, I just woke up) and a lot more.There are also a ton of near-porn novels coming out with femdom characters but I cannot remember the publisher atm. They are a bit larger than typical paperbacks, not especially well written but it is there. It is a segment that is gaining ground, personally I think most romance books would gain more ground if the damn cover art were changed! Go get a book!

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RE: Passion of a Romance Novel - 3/13/2008 4:39:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: camille65

Absolutely LadyJeelys, there are more out there than the old standard bodice rippers. Having worked in a major bookstore for a decade I can firmly say that the bodice rippers have been edged over by a variety of new styles.


the black lace novels. written by women for women, supposedly. LOT of kink in them!

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RE: Passion of a Romance Novel - 3/13/2008 4:49:42 AM   
silvermuse


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Status: offline 		If you want something out of the box, try e-books. Seriously. There are some wonderful untraditional romance and erotic romance novels out there, but they tend to be released by small press and e-press.

I'm biased on this, I'll admit that, because the majority of the books I write are for e-press. But in the last year alone I've had two fem dom stories accepted. One was released last year with a new fem dom pushing past her doubts on the first stumbling steps into being a dominant - she's also close to 40 and a plus sized heroine.

The second is a short coming out this year with another publisher. A woman who discovers she's a dominant when she gets revenge on the man who dumps her.

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RE: Passion of a Romance Novel - 3/13/2008 4:54:06 AM   
LaMistressa


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Status: offline 		I don't read romance novels, unless you consider the Marketplace books to be "romance". But I do get those mushy thrilling "swept off my feet" feelings when I am doing the sweeping! 

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RE: Passion of a Romance Novel - 3/13/2008 5:18:18 AM   
chezzy52


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Status: offline 		If a realtionship is well entrenched..i see no reason why a sub cannot take a Domina into his arms..especially on a slow walk at night with the stars out  or perhaps a gentle rain falling and the two are talking and the conersation is upbeat and fluid..and then suddenly..a hand goes and stops the momentum of the walk and just one look and the arm goes around the waist and a loving deep passionate kiss is given.Now you amy ant to get me back home and flog me for my indiscretion but again..i see nothing wrong with that..i certainly wouldn't think you would be submitting to me.

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RE: Passion of a Romance Novel - 3/13/2008 6:31:52 AM   
LadyHibiscus


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Status: offline 		I love rough sex, does that count?  And I am a total size queen.  In my mind, anyway.

And as a Princess, I have always wanted to be Rescued.  And inherit a reallllly big trust fund.  And have a house on the beach, and a place in the city.....so yeah, parts of romance novels are awesome! 

In real life, even if I did inherit a trust fund, I would just buy my parents a house in Florida, and keep working, so I guess I am only quasi-romantic. 

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RE: Passion of a Romance Novel - 3/13/2008 8:04:01 AM   
chezzy52


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RE: Passion of a Romance Novel - 3/13/2008 8:05:31 AM   
Pyrrsefanie


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Status: offline 		I usually avoid romance novels like the plague and go straight for the kink erotica.  Heehee.

Exception being Sherrilyn Kenyon's series about the werewolves and vampires and stuff.  A friend of mine threw Night Play into a care package to cheer me up after one of my old relationships went down the tubes, and good God I loved it.  LOVED IT.  Great descriptions of wild, borderline feral sex!  Meeeeeeeeow!

But as for the stereotype of a white knight coming in and sweeping me off my feet and then making sweet passionate love to me all night long... I'm too impatient to wait around for that!  And there's too many miserable prick bastards in line ahead of Mister White Knight, d'oh... then figure that making love gets boring after the first like, five minutes for me.

It's definitely not a foreign concept to me -- in my younger days it was all I dreamed about.  Now that I'm older it's faded into the background as kind of a sweet memory to make me giggle when I think of how lovey-dovey ridiculous I got at times over it.

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RE: Passion of a Romance Novel - 3/13/2008 8:20:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have only read a half dozen "romance" novels though at one time I did look into the publication of them -- they must follow a formula so that was a huge turn off to me as a writer.

There are some new "horror" and "science fiction" romance books that do reverse the normal gender roles at least at the beginning.

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RE: Passion of a Romance Novel/ 2nd question - 3/13/2008 8:40:15 AM   
herpet1313


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Status: offline 		Thank you, one and all. I think the general consensus is that dominant women prefer to seduce, and remain in control, rather than be seduced.
 As a submissive male I prefer to be seduced.
 So, this means that in those last seconds before her orgasm, when her base animal instincts take over and where a vanilla woman might cry out " Oh yes, --ck me,"  a dominant woman is thinking or saying ....? What?
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RE: Passion of a Romance Novel/ 2nd question - 3/13/2008 8:42:41 AM   
Pyrrsefanie


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ORIGINAL: herpet1313
So, this means that in those last seconds before her orgasm, when her base animal instincts take over and where a vanilla woman might cry out " Oh yes, --ck me,"  a dominant woman is thinking or saying ....? What?
                                                                  herpet


Usually I growl at him to "give it to me." 

God, that sounds so cheesy outside of the bedroom.... AAAAAAAAAAGH!

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RE: Passion of a Romance Novel/ 2nd question - 3/13/2008 8:47:55 AM   
DiurnalVampire


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quote:

ORIGINAL: herpet1313

 So, this means that in those last seconds before her orgasm, when her base animal instincts take over and where a vanilla woman might cry out " Oh yes, --ck me,"  a dominant woman is thinking or saying ....? What?

For us usually Good boy or keep going slut.. with various other phrases with the same idea.
Depends on how into it we are going.


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