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*slightly freaked out* - 3/14/2008 6:04:44 PM   
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ok need some background info for this one.

I met my current Dom (public play only..at the fetish parties, and he is in charge of telling me if I can or cant play with anyone else, like if I met a Dom on here, My play party dom would say yes or no about playing with them) through his now ex wife, the Domme who introduced me to the local scene. So we had year long reltionship, as sub and Dom only at the fetish shows, and just casual friends outside of the scene. He eventually collared me and we spent the rest of the time haveing fun at the parties, and hang out when work sceduals permitted it. We never had any sexual contact, e.g. he never touched me anywhere the flogger dident, no french kissing, ect. Him and his wife eventually (through no falt of my own I might add) got a divorce and parted ways reletively amicably. And now, a year and a half later (I traveled the country for a good bit of time after he left the local scene on a sabatical to say it that way, and thus..left his service) We have a scene at a local event, and after I bounce back from after care, I hear him talking about collaring me again. (really emotional scene for me, and also him I suspect). We'll we've spent the last month or so with each other ALOT. The usual way goes, I get off work go to the bar we frequent, me and him have a few beers and run off to his house for a night of fun. Then we usually spend the next morning/afternoon quietly watching tv and just being near each other. Neither of us talk alot, unless we happen to be tipsey. We dont mind spending hours not talking except to giggle at the tv or his dog ( I LOVE his Dog, sweetest animal ever). Well, He made a joke the other night seeing a bruise on my thigh I got at work, "Girl you been cheating on me?" , Me giggleing like an idiot and sticking my tounge out at him "Cheating on you, last time I checked I have to be Yours in and out of the scene before Im cheating" to this he replied by saying "Shut it and take your damned clothes off". 

Bah, I adore going to his house like 3-4 times a week, I love being with him at and after the parties. I just like being around him, a bad day at work, bad to the point I was in tears, I go to the bar, he hands me a beer and pokes fun untill I laugh again. He always makes me feel more relaxed and happy.

My question is, Im falling in love with him, big fast and in a hurry. We made a point to our relationship outside of the scene yes being with each other but, no emotional ties right? I understand this and am ok with it, or was. I mean he just got out of a 7 year marriage. And I feel bad not for loveing him like I do, but...for feeling like, if I tell him how my feelings have developed, I dont want him to feel obligated by our connection in the scene and outside of it to be in a "normal" (for us scener types) relationship. Its working for us right now, it really is we're both happy. Except, Im missing the deeper emotional connection. The fact I know I love him, but dont know and dont have the balls to ask if he feels the same way. And I feel like, if I said I loved him and he said something like "I know and care about you too but..the divorce"...I know hes not over it yet, hes getting his fire back and quickly, but...hard to explain, I know somethings missing for him and will be untill he gets over her. but anyway I feel like if he said that, that he might pull away from me in and out of the scene...and I need the scene, keeps me sane...you guys know this.

Someone help me

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RE: *slightly freaked out* - 3/14/2008 6:23:56 PM   
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Let him have some space.

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RE: *slightly freaked out* - 3/14/2008 6:26:14 PM   
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bah. thats most likely the right thing to do. *frowns* still a depressing thought.

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RE: *slightly freaked out* - 3/14/2008 7:43:54 PM   
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Never once have I seen a relationship work that started soon after a divorce. This is not to be confused with relationships that caused the divorce however even those have a low rate of success.

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RE: *slightly freaked out* - 3/14/2008 9:08:00 PM   
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He's a big boy, it's not appropriate to pick a version of yourself to show him and it's not up to you to control his "obligations."

Now, if you sincerely KNOW he's not over the other relationship yet, then you can be sensitive to that, keep your head a bit more, tread softly and not pressure him.

But the truth needs to come out "I understand you're not ready for a relationship and that's fine, I don't want you to feel obligated to respond in any way and there's no reason you should, but I do want to let you know that I am falling in love with you."  If he wants to discuss boundaries, please do so. 

Only say that if you MEAN IT- if you can't be mature enough to honestly be ok with him rejecting your love, or just not doing anything about it now, if you honestly can wait to see what happens (he may never fall in love with you) and not put any pressure on him, then do it.

If not, then you owe it to both of you to remove yourself from his presence.

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RE: *slightly freaked out* - 3/14/2008 9:11:39 PM   
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*fast reply* I know you dont want to hear this. I am loathe to even say it..but its too soon. Ask yourself..what would declaring Your love for Him..change? do you want a more commited dynamic? You and I seem to define being collared differently too so..(cool thing about this lifestyle. We can pick whatever defination fits us and makes us happy , cool :).What would change? What do you want to be different? If not much- is there really a point in having a conversation right now? Or can it wait 6 months...?

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RE: *slightly freaked out* - 3/14/2008 9:19:24 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

Never once have I seen a relationship work that started soon after a divorce. This is not to be confused with relationships that caused the divorce however even those have a low rate of success.

Steel


Well thats not true at all me and my daddy started dating before his divorce was even official he went to the final court date around our one year anniversary and we have never been happier with each other I mean he even asked me to marry him which isn't going to happen for years to come since I like attending college for free. And no I did not cause the divorce.

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RE: *slightly freaked out* - 3/14/2008 9:35:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: OnlyMels

quote:

ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

Never once have I seen a relationship work that started soon after a divorce. This is not to be confused with relationships that caused the divorce however even those have a low rate of success.

Steel


Well thats not true at all me and my daddy started dating before his divorce was even official he went to the final court date around our one year anniversary and we have never been happier with each other I mean he even asked me to marry him which isn't going to happen for years to come since I like attending college for free. And no I did not cause the divorce.


HUH Oh i forget the other girl is NEVER ever never the CAUSE of the divorce.  The OP is the rebound babe.  Which rarely works out.  From the tone of her post she realizes this already.

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RE: *slightly freaked out* - 3/15/2008 8:34:40 AM   
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You enjoy him, he enjoys you. Simple.
Right now it looks like he needs 'simple'. When he's ready for more complex, he'll let you know. Until he's ready for something else, or expressing something else, just cherish what you have, I'd guess he probably already does.

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RE: *slightly freaked out* - 3/15/2008 11:20:53 AM   
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i think in the long run supressing your feelings could make you resent him, i think you need to let him know that you feel you do love him/falling in love with him but also let him know you dont expect him  to feel the same etc.
 
i believe that in being straight that way and not holding on for a few months etc and for him to then turn round and say it isn't going to happen it will hurt less and you wont tear yourself apart (not that he will say that he might not)
 
communication is key and so is the way you go about doing it :)

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RE: *slightly freaked out* - 3/15/2008 4:14:54 PM   
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And I feel bad not for loveing him like I do, but...for feeling like, if I tell him how my feelings have developed, I dont want him to feel obligated by our connection in the scene and outside of it to be in a "normal" (for us scener types) relationship
 
then dont tell him.  i think youre right and everyone else, its too early to land your emotions on him, he has his own to deal with right now.

telling him might make you feel better initially, just to get it out in the open, but it wont make him feel any better and it wont do the 'fun' element any favours either.

i totally understand where he is right now.  a marriage is a massive thing to lose, but any big committment relationship is.  his emotions are spent and a breathing space, a time to get his head straight is absolutely the honest and healthy way to go.

personally i would just be there for him, be his friend, his play partner, his dogs number two fan - keep it light, happy and supportive.  if he wakes up one day and realises he's fallen in love with you too, then fabulous, but its for him to get there in his own time and in his own way.

sorry.   but on a positive, at least you love a wonderful man who is fun and good company and fills your needs, that counts for heaps.

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RE: *slightly freaked out* - 3/15/2008 4:21:48 PM   
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i really dose lally, and thanks for that. Since I posted...(i tend to obsess over things a bit) I've come along to the same sort of idea. I'll let him be...serve him in the scene, be his friend and play partner outside of it, and continue as if ntohing was happeneing. Not lieing to myself or anything, but just letting him have his space.

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RE: *slightly freaked out* - 3/16/2008 9:15:19 AM   
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Hm. Well, go with what works for you. If you can serve him and be with him and not go insane with the knowledge that you haven't told him this potentially major thing, then cool beans, man, right on.

I'm in a similar situation -- came along after the separation, but before the divorce, with a lot of emotional turmoil on his end. It's a casual sort of thing, despite the time we spend together. And who knows, maybe there could be more, somewhere in the future. But I fell for him, hard, with the full knowledge that it would not be a "normal" relationship any time soon. I couldn't keep that to myself. It started to get to where I felt on the point of bursting because I was keeping it to myself. How I feel effects a lot of what I do, and how I react.

Your milage may vary, but I talked to him about it. ALL about it. That I was falling for him, that I didn't want him to feel obligated in any way, and that I didn't expect anything out of it. And he's been very good about it. And I feel much less likely to cry at random, inappropriate times. He's comfortable because he knows that I honestly don't expect anything different of him than what has always been. And I'm comfortable because I can express whatever I need to without fear. What it came down to was that it was causing me stress, which was effecting his ability to relax with me.

On the other hand, a lot of guys have had it drilled into them that when the woman you're playing with (or fucking, or whatever involvement beyond casual friends) tells you she loves you, it requires a certain response. We have actually discussed that and how I think it's inappropriate.

Since you seem to have already made your decision and accepted it, I guess I'm just writing this to present the other side.

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RE: *slightly freaked out* - 3/16/2008 9:41:09 AM   
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I would suggest the following::

Deliberate deception, in any form, even if you believe it is something that someone does not want to hear, is almost always doomed to failure; you show someone contempt and disrespect by making their choices for them without consent, especially because you are (quite bluntly) attempting to manipulate him here into continuing what you are currently doing by holding back something you think might change it.  Unless he has directly instructed you not to tell him something, that is.  I think this puts me at odds with some of the other advice in this thread; I'm never for people holding things back, as in my experience, that tends to produce much larger clusterfucks in the end and has been the demise of many relationships. 

However, this is not to say you have total free license for how you express yourself either.  You know he's coming off a divorce.  You know, if you do some basic research, the odds of rebound relationships panning out after that are slim to none.  You know, likewise, that he wants space.  Thus, when you express yourself, if you want to be responsible towards him, you need to tell him what you think but do so calmly and respectfully; you definitely should not try to force the issue, but rather, give him his space.

If this is going to be an OMGWTFLOLBBQ U MUST LUV ME sort of moment, I would suggest you are, in fact, better off not telling him.  But then, it might just be postponing the inevitable.


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RE: *slightly freaked out* - 3/16/2008 5:48:36 PM   
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thank you for your post aphrodite, and no not quiet a "this is what i am going to do no doubt in my mind" more of like, this is what i think might be the right answer...but im gonna keep my opetions open.

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RE: *slightly freaked out* - 3/16/2008 9:19:31 PM   
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pick a date on the calendar 3 months or 6 months from now, and postpone telling him to then.

then, you have given him more space, and can relax a little more knowing you have a specific date to tell him.

in that 3 to 6 months, you should be better prepared, because you know it is coming.

in the meantime, you have made a decision, so it should be easier


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RE: *slightly freaked out* - 3/17/2008 11:53:50 AM   
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OP try this one and and tell me your reaction. True story. I had a woman I was dating and really liked a lot. We had a lot of great times together. One night she told me that she loved me. I told her that I liked her a lot but I did'nt love her. Let's say things got emotional and leave it at that. The question is what if this happens to you. How do you think you will handle it.

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RE: *slightly freaked out* - 3/17/2008 3:42:30 PM   
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well, if that happens Dnomyar. I know it would upset me a bit that my feelings arnt returned, but if thats the worst that happens, then life isnt so bad. If that happens, I still have a friend, and a play partner and someone that cares for me, if not in a loveing way atleast as a friend and lover (er...the sex part).

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RE: *slightly freaked out* - 3/17/2008 3:47:26 PM   
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I"ve been telling a guy I'm in love with him for over a year, and his usual response is "Yeah".Sure makes me feel like a piece of trash.


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RE: *slightly freaked out* - 3/17/2008 4:14:57 PM   
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i started dating a dominant a couple of months after he came out of a 25 year marriage; it's been two years now and our relationship is much like the one you describe that you're in. i told him from the very beginning that i'm not one to bite my tongue and feel that it's very important, to me, to be able to tell people how i feel about them, when i'm feeling it, regardless of whether or not the other person feels the same as myself...

so, i've been telling him how much i adore him for a long, long time now! being a big boy, and a grown man, he doesn't feel inclined to tell me things i want to hear or to tell me that he adores me like i adore him; he just tells me 'good' or 'im glad' and leaves it at that; i get to be all mushy and emotional without putting pressure on him or the wonderful thing that we have right now. appears to have worked out to be a win-win situation for me so far!

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