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The language of Apes - 3/15/2008 9:52:02 AM   
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Language, speech, communication spoken or written, I do enjoy it's use. Not just for the communication aspects, But the art that flows through words, the often musical lilt of a person's speech.

Latin, Old English, french and Southern states American are a favourite music to hear.

Modern language some see as a failure of language, but to me the new languages hold their place and take on new forms of pleasure in the code like puzzle they weave for those of us new and of an older age.

I see music in word, a person's speech an art to see.

Is anyone else here the same?


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RE: The language of Apes - 3/15/2008 9:58:18 AM   
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I be's like that uhm too.

(yes, I love words; the subtley, the nuance...the fact that there are languages that have words that mean things that cannot be accurately translated into English. I love when a writer finds exactly the right word to convey the feelings they were attempting to share, or the mood they were striving to create. It's art.)

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RE: The language of Apes - 3/15/2008 10:09:18 AM   
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Ummm...like who?

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Modern language some see as a failure of language

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RE: The language of Apes - 3/15/2008 10:10:16 AM   
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ITS A PLANET OF AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPES

eee eee eeeee
oooo ooo oooooo

eee eee eeeee



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RE: The language of Apes - 3/15/2008 10:12:00 AM   
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I thought he was talking about the way that young people have twisted the language for their own use. And probably some Ebonics. But language is a living, evolving thing.

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RE: The language of Apes - 3/15/2008 10:15:00 AM   
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OMG like I soo didn't think of that, TY!

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I thought he was talking about the way that young people have twisted the language for their own use.

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RE: The language of Apes - 3/15/2008 10:18:18 AM   
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like..werd......

thats tight...


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RE: The language of Apes - 3/15/2008 10:25:40 AM   
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I love words, whether spoken or written. Consequently, bad spelling and mangled grammar are forms of torture unlike any other. Especially since we now have Spellchecker invented for (and i suspect by) the lazy.

btw, I adore the Australian accent, it's like music to my ears.

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RE: The language of Apes - 3/15/2008 10:27:36 AM   
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OMG like I soo didn't think of that, TY!

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I thought he was talking about the way that young people have twisted the language for their own use.



Why is my sarcasm meter broken now?

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RE: The language of Apes - 3/15/2008 10:37:33 AM   
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Language is a bloody useful thing. No two ways about it.

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RE: The language of Apes - 3/15/2008 10:40:23 AM   
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But anastrophe is a catastrophe.

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RE: The language of Apes - 3/15/2008 10:48:13 AM   
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Yes, even the new languages hold some facination, though at times I have to resort to this;

http://www.writtenhumor.com/snooptranslator.html

Even my adopted home has a curious language called Jannerz, an example being here;

http://www.chavtowns.co.uk/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1083|

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RE: The language of Apes - 3/15/2008 10:50:35 AM   
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But anastrophe is a catastrophe.


"Your right."

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RE: The language of Apes - 3/15/2008 10:59:15 AM   
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It's a debate to some.. a joke to others.

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RE: The language of Apes - 3/15/2008 11:04:07 AM   
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I agree that the spoken word can be poetic and lovely to hear, though I much prefer to study body language...

Decoding a potential new lover's subtle unspoken flirtatious messages, when combined with the natural beauty of the human mind and body can be so stimulating.

Communication is indeed an art!

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RE: The language of Apes - 3/15/2008 11:32:43 AM   
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Mybe its a failure of communication, but what do apes have to do with anything.  Certainly the point is not to link Apes with Ebonics... is it?

Slang is not a language.   Ebonic, southern accents, ect are dialects.  If you cut a dialect off from the root long enough it may become a new language or not.  Its pretty hard to get cut off these days. 

Here is a question, are the regional dialects in England weakening as they are in America?

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RE: The language of Apes - 3/15/2008 12:34:00 PM   
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Actually, I think you meant "Right you are"...

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RE: The language of Apes - 3/15/2008 12:43:10 PM   
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(edit: Nevermind.)

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RE: The language of Apes - 3/16/2008 5:54:30 AM   
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Here is a question, are the regional dialects in England weakening as they are in America?


For a long time, the division of class was in language - as one looked up the social scale the more clipped became the vowels, with the Queen of course being at the top of this hierarchy, whilst as one looked down the social scale, one found more and more the natural local language, going through stages of greater regional accent into dialect with the likes of my family at the bottom, the elder of whom are difficult to understand at times. Those at the bottom were always expected to understand their "betters", though the "betters" didnt necessarily understand the rest of us.

Then came mass media - radio and TV, and greater opportunity for upwards social mobility through wider access to university education. Those who wished to escape their working class lives aspired to speak "properly" as not only the means to access the higher circles but also as an emblem of membership. Maggie Thatcher for instance, the daughter of a shop keeper in the backwaters of England, first lost her local speech and then took elocution lessons to sound like she belonged to the ruling classes. The overall effect of this process was to greatly harm local accents and dialects, speaking with which came to indicate not only low social class, but also lower intellect.

But more recently there has been a resurgence of accents - it is now more acceptable to speak with an accent, as long as one is intelligible. Even in the likes of the BBC, where one at one time had to speak "properly", there is now to be found a variety of accents. In fact, it is now looked on as rather ridiculous to speak with the articifical language formerly known as English, and rather expected that one will have an accent. Even the Queen's speech patterns have changed a great deal from the clipped pronunication of the 50s to today - the upper classes are still distinctive, but not as distinctive as they once were.

As for dialect, this is more difficult, since dialect like any form of language is an evolving entity. Certainly, apart from small areas of England much  of the older local dialect has disappeared - the Black Country near where I live is one area where such dialect has survived to some extent and where afficianados pursue its preservation. Google "Black Country dialect" for some examples. But we could also count as dialect the language used by the youth of today, so to that extent dialect is alive and well, but to a great extent based on an age group rather than a geographical area - and because of mass communication to be found throughout the UK.

Whats important nowadays its seems, is to be "authentic" to one's origins but also to be intelligible. But there still remains an unspoken class system based on how one speaks - the stronger the accent, the less one is regarded - but one ought to betray some local accent still.

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