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Training - 3/16/2008 6:27:03 PM   
shaobaihu


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What types of training are there? Can they be achieved alone or must they involve a Dom?
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RE: Training - 3/16/2008 6:29:54 PM   
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POPCORN!  GET YOUR POPCORN HERE!

Sorry, shaobaihu, couldn't resist.  You should look over the multiple viewpoints expressed on this very thing in the 'Mentoring' thread.  Which I've little doubt will worm their way onto here as well.



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RE: Training - 3/16/2008 6:33:27 PM   
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Ugh...I dread thinking about it.

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RE: Training - 3/16/2008 6:37:39 PM   
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Groan .....  ..... training.  I mean really!  WTF .. I'm willing to listen to valid training issues, but come down to it and Training isnt anything more then getting to know what another likes and doesnt!  ..........  Grrrr

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RE: Training - 3/16/2008 6:44:45 PM   
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Become the kind of person you would want to own if you ruled.

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RE: Training - 3/16/2008 7:02:58 PM   
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I choose to differ- training can be far more than simply "learning what I like."  If you want to know the difference, you need to have known my partner three years ago when he could barely say the word no to a dominant female and not feel anguish for a week over it and today when he can, at least on occasion, vehemently hold true to his stance knowing very well I'm against it.

All it would take is two seconds to say "Stand up for yourself, I want you to honestly tell me how you feel and stay true to yourself."

Anyone think that's ALL it really takes to train someone to have and express self confidence amongst a lifetime of TRAINING to the contrary?

Do you really think all it took for me to stop being an insecure self-destructive perfectionist slut into an empowered easy-going self-aware whore was to say "Oh yeah, I need to just let it go and be true to myself"?

We are trained, in everything to how to use the toilet to how to write our names to how to treat a woman on a date- and it's far more involved than just saying "I want this, now go do it."

As social animals, most of us do better in most arenas with a "training buddy" whether that's a dom or whatever (remember, most doms need regular ongoing training as well).  But ultimately we all need self-discipline to make any training worthwhile and some people work better in some ways when it's on their own.

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RE: Training - 3/16/2008 7:32:21 PM   
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I wanted to chime in here, and tell you that when I was learning about the lifestyle, I took the time to figure out what skills I had to bring into a D/s relationship. I then worked on perfecting those skills. I decided what skills I would like to possess, that might be appealing to a potential Dominant, and went about learning those skills. When I wanted to learn the Gorean slave positions I learned them, practiced them, the same with cooking, wine selection, flower arrangement amoung other things. Besides, the classes I was taking kept me busy and grounded which worked to counter the submissive frenzies I had at first.

Probably not traning that most people refer to, but still something to think about if you don't have a Dominant to train you in how he wants to be served. Make yourself as pleasing and skilled in your areas of interests, so that you can be pleasing when you find the Dominant for you.

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RE: Training - 3/16/2008 7:34:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: probablyknowme

I wanted to chime in here, and tell you that when I was learning about the lifestyle, I took the time to figure out what skills I had to bring into a D/s relationship. I then worked on perfecting those skills. I decided what skills I would like to possess, that might be appealing to a potential Dominant, and went about learning those skills. When I wanted to learn the Gorean slave positions I learned them, practiced them, the same with cooking, wine selection, flower arrangement amoung other things. Besides, the classes I was taking kept me busy and grounded which worked to counter the submissive frenzies I had at first.

Probably not traning that most people refer to, but still something to think about if you don't have a Dominant to train you in how he wants to be served. Make yourself as pleasing and skilled in your areas of interests, so that you can be pleasing when you find the Dominant for you.

kat


Exactly.

Instead of sitting on an ever-widening ass and Waiting for prince charming to come along and make everything perfect..

Sounds good to me!

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RE: Training - 3/16/2008 7:41:03 PM   
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What do you want to learn? Erotic dancing, five course sensual meals, boot blacking, Japanese tea ceremony?
Most things require a teacher. Whether for bellydancing or Italian cuisine, it's always best to be able to ask questions and have someone correct you immediately. Now you can get a bellydancing dvd but it will take longer than if you take a class plus if you get in the habit of having bad form it will be harder later to correct it. Always easier to learn a good habit than unlearn a bad.

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RE: Training - 3/16/2008 7:44:02 PM   
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But a Dominant may not be interested in girly girl stuff you all are.

My list would include-carpentry-wood, leather, and metal working.....

Horticulture- painting of all kinds, drawing-business management..

I could really give a rat's ass about tea ceremonies or dancing.

How USEFUL are you in day to day living?

And I don't mean just doing HOUSEWORK.



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RE: Training - 3/16/2008 8:16:37 PM   
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my Master/Daddy's style is kinda Mr. Myagi/Yoda style.....and i never realize what's actually going on until i am so deeply in it that it almost makes my head spin....It's unsettling and difficult for me cause i tend to overthink most everything in life. This makes me get in my own way.

Other training....anal training, which i did on my own with a toy my Daddy got for me to ready me for him.......walking in high heels, in heels that he bought me.....Learning to use the grill, which he taught me.....Learning his likes and dislikes..........Going to the driving range to try to learn golf....learning to watch golf ( a really important thing in this house).....Learning the way he wants his laundry done.....so many differnt things

Still in training to give up hidden control issues, and learning to recognize them.....and learning to face fears...learning to keep an open mind.

< Message edited by daddyncherry -- 3/16/2008 8:17:26 PM >


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RE: Training - 3/16/2008 8:27:48 PM   
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I can jump through hoops of fire and bark on command!

Actually, I am ashamed to admit it, but I am being sent to a training class.  My stupid (but incurably cute) pup is not doing well under my sway, so we're both being sent to obedience school.

Just more proof of my utter failure as a submissive.  <sigh> 

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RE: Training - 3/16/2008 10:59:21 PM   
Bound2One


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quote:

ORIGINAL: TracyTaken

Just more proof of my utter failure as a submissive.  <sigh> 




Try and look at obedience school in a different way - your pup needs you to be the alpha in your relationship, not the sub ... this isn't proof of your utter failure as a a submissive - lol - it's your invitation to step up your alpha side! 


On topic ...

As for training on your own - I think it's important for you to understand exactly what it is you desire in a relationship, what you bring to the D/s dynamic and what sort of Dominant you want - what traits, both vanilla and D/s related, what sort of personality you respond best to, etc.  I'm not sure there are any formal training protocols you can or would want to do on your own, but a submissive who brings an understanding of herself 'to the table', so to speak, will be better able to know her match when she meets him. 


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RE: Training - 3/17/2008 3:37:14 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Leatherist

But a Dominant may not be interested in girly girl stuff you all are.

My list would include-carpentry-wood, leather, and metal working.....

Horticulture- painting of all kinds, drawing-business management..

I could really give a rat's ass about tea ceremonies or dancing.

How USEFUL are you in day to day living?

And I don't mean just doing HOUSEWORK.




However if she is profoundly uninterested in the kinds of things that you would want her to know, then that is a sign of incompatibility. She would do better learning what she is interested in and finding someone who enjoys having long exquisite dinners and being entertained by her bellydancing afterwards. Plus many shibari practitioners have been led by that into learning about Japanese culture and thus would enjoy having a partner knowledgable on the tea ceremony.

Obviously if their vanilla interests are in common, they will have more to sustain the relationship. Just as you would have more in common with someone who has taken Master Gardener classes and enjoys woodworking.

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RE: Training - 3/17/2008 8:51:53 AM   
Noah


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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I choose to differ- training can be far more than simply "learning what I like."  ...


A very nice response to a silly claim. Thank you.

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RE: Training - 3/17/2008 11:19:21 AM   
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LOL..twice in a single day I'm forced to agree with you. Your also equally correct in asserting Doms need training as well. It's one thing to consider yourself a submissive or Dominant. It's another thing to know how to do it.

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RE: Training - 3/17/2008 11:25:04 AM   
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Doms do'nt need training. They just are. Op potty training is a must.

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RE: Training - 3/17/2008 11:33:37 AM   
ownedgirlie


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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I choose to differ- training can be far more than simply "learning what I like."  If you want to know the difference, you need to have known my partner three years ago when he could barely say the word no to a dominant female and not feel anguish for a week over it and today when he can, at least on occasion, vehemently hold true to his stance knowing very well I'm against it.

All it would take is two seconds to say "Stand up for yourself, I want you to honestly tell me how you feel and stay true to yourself."

Anyone think that's ALL it really takes to train someone to have and express self confidence amongst a lifetime of TRAINING to the contrary?

Do you really think all it took for me to stop being an insecure self-destructive perfectionist slut into an empowered easy-going self-aware whore was to say "Oh yeah, I need to just let it go and be true to myself"?

We are trained, in everything to how to use the toilet to how to write our names to how to treat a woman on a date- and it's far more involved than just saying "I want this, now go do it."

As social animals, most of us do better in most arenas with a "training buddy" whether that's a dom or whatever (remember, most doms need regular ongoing training as well).  But ultimately we all need self-discipline to make any training worthwhile and some people work better in some ways when it's on their own.


Great post.  I am grateful for the training I received from Mr. Wonderful.  With it, I was able to channel my energy and focus more productively, learn how to be true to myself, how to better express myself, how to tap into those untouched (and feared) areas within myself which significantly raised my own level of fulfillment, and to realize my capabilities (which I had totally underestimated).  Oh yeah, I also learned how he likes things done, which is beneficial when submitting to somebody. 

In addition to being trained to be a better person and slave, I've received on the job training, software training, executive management training, fitness training, financial management training, etc.

So yes, I would say I find training to be useful.

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RE: Training - 3/17/2008 12:32:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie


In addition to being trained to be a better person and slave, I've received on the job training, software training, executive management training, fitness training, financial management training, etc.

So yes, I would say I find training to be useful.


But doesn't it also depend on how much on an expert you want to be? To be a CFO, you will need your CPA and an MBA. But if you only want to be able to balance your budget, you don't need all those years of training. You could get a couple of books and set up a workable budget within a month.

If you want to be a fitness trainer, you need classes and testing to be certified. If you just want to be in better shape, you could simply walk two miles a day.

The more expert you want to be at something, the more likely it is you need training. But we don't need to be able to win a competition at everything. You can make a good dinner in 30 minutes without it being one that would get you hired at a 5star restaurant. Some things aren't worth the effort taken.

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RE: Training - 3/17/2008 12:45:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesFIP
The more expert you want to be at something, the more likely it is you need training. But we don't need to be able to win a competition at everything. You can make a good dinner in 30 minutes without it being one that would get you hired at a 5star restaurant. Some things aren't worth the effort taken.


I am honestly not sure what your point is to my post, Celeste.  I was outlining the various areas I have been trained on, as a result of seeing so many people so often scoff at even the notion of being "trained".  Being trained is a legitimate act, and not a degrading act.

I do agree with you about not needing to win competition, although I have no idea where the notion of competing even comes into this thread.

As for fitness, I undergo the regime my Master set out for me.  As for cooking, 30 minutes in the kitchen would not be fulfilling to me as I love to create gourmet meals (although I have no interest in becoming a chef in a restaurant - 5 star or otherwise).  However, I don't know how this relates to my post.  People become trained.  Sometimes it's in areas they want to be trained in, sometimes not (I didn't want to be trained in certain aspects at work, but it was required, and so I endured and excelled at it).  When I see people criticize the notion of training, I tend to believe they are underinformed. 

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