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wat if there is an accident during physical torture? - 3/17/2008 11:48:00 AM   
searchin4love


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Status: offline 		how do you come to know that this is the limit to torturing your slave?..
he might be shouting throughout..
wat if the torture results in an accident..
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RE: wat if there is an accident during physical torture? - 3/17/2008 11:51:39 AM   
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how do you come to know that this is the limit to torturing your slave?..
he might be shouting throughout..
wat if the torture results in an accident..

Alarmist, no?

Logic would say that an accident at least requires an immediate stoppage of play.  Depending on the circumstances, she might be reaching for the fire extinguisher, the phone to call 911 or assessing whether to get you to a hospital or have you follow with your doctor if the symptoms get worse as time wears on.  That's why it's important to be knowlegable about what you're getting into (top and bottom), know first aid and CPR (both of you), know the person you're playing with, properly negotiate, and always have a phone available should something go wrong.  A first aid kit and fire extinguisher nearby aren't bad ideas either.

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RE: wat if there is an accident during physical torture? - 3/17/2008 11:51:58 AM   
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The reality is that there needs to be lots of communication. Just as in all relationships. Contrary to popular belief, no one is a mind reader.


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RE: wat if there is an accident during physical torture? - 3/17/2008 12:12:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: searchin4love
how do you come to know that this is the limit to torturing your slave?..
he might be shouting throughout..
wat if the torture results in an accident..


The Dom/me is responsible for the health & safety of the sub/slave.  If s/he can't read the slave (body language, the real meaning of the vocalizations, etc), then the results are not an accident ... just a measure of incompetence.  Don't play in the deep end of the pool til you know how to swim.  Don't copy the big boys til you can play with the big boys.

AND ... if you don't know the first aid or emergency measures to take should there be a problem (breathing problems, bleeding, heart attack, stroke, allergic reaction, seizure) then you aren't qualified to play at the heavy end.  Stick with the silk scarf bondage & whipping with wet noodles.  Learn your first aid backwards and forwards & know how to get a person out of bondage & suspension in a matter of seconds.  If you don't, then you aren't taking the safety of your sub/slave seriously ... and you'd better start digging that new rosebed in your backyard & working on an airtight alibi.

Learn from someone who is Old Guard ... or mentor w/ someone w/ decades of experience first.  You won't learn what you need to know online.














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RE: wat if there is an accident during physical torture? - 3/17/2008 12:15:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		"A first aid kit and fire extinguisher nearby aren't bad ideas either.
Pandora"

Damn!  You must build up a lot of friction in your play!  :-)


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RE: wat if there is an accident during physical torture? - 3/17/2008 12:17:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: searchin4love

how do you come to know that this is the limit to torturing your slave?..
he might be shouting throughout..
wat if the torture results in an accident..


Depending on the accident, you could be fucked a little or a lot.

There needs to be a modicum of restraint, knowledge and interpersonal acquaintance here.

Ron

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RE: wat if there is an accident during physical torture? - 3/17/2008 12:20:09 PM   
LaTigresse


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Status: offline 		Dear Clitcutter,

How does one contact this Old Guard organization you speak of?

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RE: wat if there is an accident during physical torture? - 3/17/2008 12:23:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ClitCutter

"A first aid kit and fire extinguisher nearby aren't bad ideas either.
Pandora"

Damn!  You must build up a lot of friction in your play!  :-)


I do.  I also keep a surgical kit complete with drapes, sutures, disposable bovie pens and a few packs of QuickClot (hemostatic powder) "just in case."  That's separate from medical gear I play with....

On the more serious side, many folks play in a room lit with candles.  It would suck to have to burn your house down or kill your sub because a candle got knocked over and you had no way of stopping a simple fire.

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RE: wat if there is an accident during physical torture? - 3/17/2008 12:32:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm huge on the safety issues, even if I am the sub. When I go to a session, I have gloves, instant icepacks, and some various other small first aid items. If I'm playing with someone who is new to the scene, I tend to "teach" them the right way to do things, without making it seem like I'm trying to top.

In my opinion, before you top anyone, you need to have at least a passing knowledge of human anatomy before you start swinging. I've only been hit in the kidneys once, and it was more than enough. >.<

MisPandora, Quikclot is a good idea... I think that might get added to the bag. O.o

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RE: wat if there is an accident during physical torture? - 3/17/2008 12:47:47 PM   
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I'm huge on the safety issues, even if I am the sub. When I go to a session, I have gloves, instant icepacks, and some various other small first aid items. If I'm playing with someone who is new to the scene, I tend to "teach" them the right way to do things, without making it seem like I'm trying to top.

In my opinion, before you top anyone, you need to have at least a passing knowledge of human anatomy before you start swinging. I've only been hit in the kidneys once, and it was more than enough. >.<

MisPandora, Quikclot is a good idea... I think that might get added to the bag. O.o


The toughest part about Quikclot is that it doesn't reabsorb in a wound.  It MUST be debrieded from the wound and should be used as a last resort when standard methods of attaining hemostasis have failed.  That means that you'll be making a trip to the ER for sure. 

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RE: wat if there is an accident during physical torture? - 3/17/2008 12:59:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Accidents happen, but they can be largely avoided or lessened in severity if one takes the proper precautions.

For example, when my Owner ties me, she always leaves me with a way out that I can use in case of an emergency.  The odds of her falling and knocking herself unconscious or something is one in a million, but this way I could help her and not be utterly helpless if something went wrong.

Also, stuff is always better when there's discussion beforehand of what's going to happen and how it's going to work.  I'd say you'd only generally need a discussion once, and then you could largely play it by ear from then on out.  Once you're both aware of how one another work, it's easier to notice abnormalities.  Half the time, my Owner will notice if I'm reacting badly well before I will.

Submissives should also remember that they're just as in charge of their well being as their Owner is.  Our Owners aren't perfect, and they will probably make mistakes from time to time.  If you're reacting badly, it shouldn't be beyond your rights to inform them of it.  A play session stopped early is a lot more preferable to a night in ER.

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RE: wat if there is an accident during physical torture? - 3/17/2008 1:18:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		i have seen horrible videos on net most horrible were those of cbt,nipple torture,ball kicking..how can someone do/bear that thing..wudnt someone die of pain? or become infertile permanenty!!..are these videos tampered or are these real?
ok leave submissives who want this kind of stuff ?how do dominant women do all this stuff arent they scared if something happens to slave.?



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RE: wat if there is an accident during physical torture? - 3/17/2008 1:56:31 PM   
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i have seen horrible videos on net most horrible were those of cbt,nipple torture,ball kicking..how can someone do/bear that thing..wudnt someone die of pain? or become infertile permanenty!!..are these videos tampered or are these real?  ok leave submissives who want this kind of stuff ?how do dominant women do all this stuff arent they scared if something happens to slave.?


First of all, don't believe all the pictures and videos you see on the net.  I can't tell you which ones, because you haven't given us any link, but MANY have been altered.  As for extreme cbt, nipple torture, or ball kicking, it is something that people work up to.  Just like when you got your first flogging, it was probably very mild compared to what you handle now (for example).
And, much of it "looks" much worse than it really is.  Take needle play for instance.  Many just cringe and think it must be terribly painful to have a needle put through their nipple, however, they can already handle two sets of clover clamps with weights attached.  By the time they try a needle, they laugh at how minor it is compared to what they already do.
Much of what "appears" extreme to you may be because it is unfamiliar to you. 
We (Dominant women) do what we do without being scared of hurting someone because we have been taught (I hope) the right way to do things. We have taken the time to learn what will and will not REALLY damage someone.  And, hopefully, most of us have adhered to much of the advice here.  Learn basic first aid, CPR, what equipment to have for quick-release, what the signs of a hypoglycemic dump are, what endorphine overload (mild shock) is, what health issues your partner may have, what medications they take, and all the things to do to intercept and stabilize the situation should one arise.  When you do your best to learn all the safety concerns regarding certain types of play, and how to do that play without damaging someone, you don't have to be SCARED to play!!!  And, a good time is had by all.

So you see, being Dominant also means being responsible.  It isn't all fun and games and good Dominants work very hard to be good Dominants.


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RE: wat if there is an accident during physical torture? - 3/17/2008 2:06:14 PM   
searchin4love


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Status: offline 		yup !i see its not easy being a dominant either..you have to be very careful and alert all the time..

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RE: wat if there is an accident during physical torture? - 3/17/2008 2:22:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MisPandora

The toughest part about Quikclot is that it doesn't reabsorb in a wound.  It MUST be debrieded from the wound and should be used as a last resort when standard methods of attaining hemostasis have failed.  That means that you'll be making a trip to the ER for sure. 


Good point. I thought about that, but I figured it could be worth the risk. We saw a demo of it on pigs when I was a medic, it worked decently on a large bleed. I just thought it would be a good last resort kind of thing since we tend to do a lot of knife stuff.

Thanks for the ideas! ^_^

*Edit*
Rope bondage = Large pair of paramedic shears.


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RE: What if there is an accident during physical torture? - 3/17/2008 3:23:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: searchin4love
How do you come to know that this is the limit to torturing your slave?
He might be shouting throughout.
What if the torture results in an accident?


Talents of observation and general common sense will take you far where this matter is concerned. It is also perhaps worthy to note that those who are successful with anything are good at "plan b."



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RE: wat if there is an accident during physical torture? - 3/17/2008 5:15:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: searchin4love

how do you come to know that this is the limit to torturing your slave?..
he might be shouting throughout..
wat if the torture results in an accident..


Since I have not seen it posted so far, I think safewords should be mentioned.  Searchin, you have said that you have not participated in the lifestyle yet, as you are still gathering information.  As you come to know more about the things that we do, you will learn that most people use safewords to let the Dominant partner know if things need to be slowed down or stopped at once.  The most popular safewords tend to be "yellow" to let the Dominant know that things need to be slowed down a bit, or "red" to stop the scene immediately.  If you have not read these books already, and you can get them overseas, "The Bottoming Book," "SM101," and "The Loving Dominant" are wonderful books about this lifestyle.  My Master had me read them at the start, including "The Loving Dominant" so I would understand His responsibilities toward me.  It was good to read and learn, so when we decided to put our ideas into practice, I had some education on what we were about to get involved in.

The other things that have been listed here as replies are wonderful.  Safety and communication cannot be overdone.

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RE: wat if there is an accident during physical torture? - 3/17/2008 5:33:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is nothing wrong with having/knowing the last resort - the Quikclot powder, a fire extinguisher. But have less drastic methods available to. Jay Wiseman altered his book on the subject of fire play and recommends, instead of a fire extinguisher, a bucket of wet towels. He says he is afraid that a fire extinguisher makes such a mess, that people will hesitate to use it. I think it would be good to have anyway, as was said here, for the last resort, but I agree with him on having the bucket of wet towels to use as a first reaction, as well.
I have a little test I like to ask people. suspend your personal ethics and 'that would never be me', for just a minute, and imagine - You are happily married to a vanilla woman and cheating on your wife to get your kink needs met. She is happy and clueless. You live in a small town. You have an important, well paying, highly sensitive job. You have held political office in your tiny little, conservative community. You are in a hotel room with your current playmate, and she, while tied up, stops breathing. What do you do?

And, yes, that was designed after a dear Dominant friend of mine, because I never doubted HIS answer. It is a test in my head - what do I believe this person I am thinking of playing with would do? Even if they are not cheating on their wife and are completely out loud and proud, the answer matters to me, as to rather I would play with them. It's trust.

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RE: wat if there is an accident during physical torture? - 3/17/2008 5:46:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		an accident?  that's a call for a trip to the ER.  accidents do happen, but you're supposed to try to avoid them.  when they happen, you deal with it.  just like anything in life.
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RE: wat if there is an accident during physical torture? - 3/17/2008 6:19:47 PM   
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