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foxhole -> My Master/Dom/me - who owns who here? (3/17/2008 1:33:04 PM)

from the fox
in so many sub posts i read 'my Keyholder', 'my KH', 'my Master', 'my Mistress', 'my this', 'my that'. i find that quite surprising.
we possess 'our' Owners without a blick of an eylid. is it just through 'daily life' exerting itself? i often have to catch 'myself' of possessing, then re-phrasing in the mind.
are there different levels of possession, or is possession always ultimate, but not always exercised or insisted upon by the Possessor?
should the possessed learn  in speech and written word to identify themselves always as property? most subs write about themselves in lower case, their Partner is addressed in upper case, all contrary to the principles of written english language,  most Dom/mes do the reverse.  so here we have already a start.
Y/you see here, i prefer to write in lower case from beginning to end of a sentence, except to indicate the status of another. i also attempt to be able to live without personal pronouns in regards to this person ('me', 'myself', 'my', 'mine'). Y/you will find it is not as easy or makes for a fluent flow of words, but i find it keeps the head space. at times i have to be weary at work not to practice it in conversation with collegues or emails/letters, as i attempt to keep the head space throughout the day, being possessed does not stop as i unlock the car to drive to work.

have i gone so far down the lane, have i gone too far?

the curious fox,
his tail shining bright and silvery





BoiJen -> RE: My Master/Dom/me - who owns who here? (3/17/2008 1:37:15 PM)

Well...I have this arguement frequently. People tell me it's semantics. And just like I don't call MsK "my Domme" I don't "have" Her either. I am MsKitty's boi. I am The Boi. I am Boijen. And She is always MsKitty. Her name will always come before mine when we present together and She is always introduced first when meeting new people. Period.

It's not about head space to me. It's about proper presentation of our relationship and dynamic.




Aileen1968 -> RE: My Master/Dom/me - who owns who here? (3/17/2008 1:39:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: foxhole

most subs write about themselves in lower case, their Partner is addressed in upper case, all contrary to the principles of written english language,  most Dom/mes do the reverse.  so here we have already a start.




Ummm....I disagree.  




Madame4a -> RE: My Master/Dom/me - who owns who here? (3/17/2008 1:42:28 PM)

If you wanted only a slave or submissive answer.. I apologize upfront..

for me, I don't get caught up in what I usually think of as an online construct.. I end up not capitalizing because I'm lazy.. and as far as the my.. mine stuff goes..

if I put a collar around someones neck I am their top or dominant... that is the way it is and I'm ok with that.. its really not so important to me.. what's in the heart and head are more so.. but that's me.. I try not to sweat what *I* view as the small stuff




foxhole -> RE: My Master/Dom/me - who owns who here? (3/17/2008 1:45:46 PM)

Boi,
i almost completly aggree, but i find the dynamics within a relationship are being kept up by one's state of mind.

Thanks for the lovely reply

the fox




adoracat -> RE: My Master/Dom/me - who owns who here? (3/17/2008 1:46:16 PM)

i dont capitalize most words cause i have issues with using the last 2 fingers on the right hand. they've been numb for several years now following a broken wrist.  i say Daddy.  i dont say "Dominant" i generally say dominant, submisive, whatever.

Daddy himself says he is as much mine as i am his.  so i guess i can say "my Daddy" and get away with it [:D]

kitten




foxhole -> RE: My Master/Dom/me - who owns who here? (3/17/2008 1:47:19 PM)

Ma'am,
i did say 'most'

grovelling

the fox




chaosforge -> RE: My Master/Dom/me - who owns who here? (3/17/2008 1:47:26 PM)

   the english language is difficult on it's own. i, too, would rather write in lower case when i'm online. never would i do so in a letter, or more common, my stories that make it past the notebook and into type. i do the upper case thing on CM, because it seems to create a little more order to things...
  as for a sub/slave staking claim over their Dom/me Master/Mistress and so on, i think it just has to happen to differentiate that Chaosforge is my Master, Bob is not my master. ((Bob has been used soley as an example, and pertains to no real Bobs out there))
  but to borrow a phrase before my time, "if it feels good, do it," the most important matter of our speech or writing, as the beloved property that we are,  is that we remain respectful, i feel.
-just phoenix




SinergyNstrumpet -> RE: My Master/Dom/me - who owns who here? (3/17/2008 1:48:37 PM)

Quote from Fight Club that my Daddy has always been fond of

quote:

The things you own, they end up owning you


Now seen that way, yes, if my Daddy owns me I suppose I own him too[;)]. This is something that we have often chuckled over. Now he is careful with what he wants to possess because of this.

He has referred to me as his possession a time or two, but "owned" is not really a thrillig concept for either of us, it does not describe some deeper more meaningful dynamic to us, and we do not get hung up over semantics that may inhibit conversation. I am also not a toaster, so even if I was a real life slave where it is legal to own people I would probably refer to the people that owned me as "my owners".

Just an opinion

julia







Shawn1066 -> RE: My Master/Dom/me - who owns who here? (3/17/2008 1:49:35 PM)

She's my Owner.  I'm her slave.  It's as simple as that.  I don't think being her property somehow damns me to forever using lowercase, not having personal pronouns, or anything else.  It's not something she requires, so it's not something I really bother with.  Personally, I dislike the practice.

I don't have to do such things to get into a "proper submissive headspace" or anything of the sort.  I'm already in one pretty much 24/7.  I rarely drift out...which is just a part of my nature.  I can understand how one could possibly need such a thing to reinforce their status, though...  So, it does seem to have its purpose.

DV's Fox




foxhole -> RE: My Master/Dom/me - who owns who here? (3/17/2008 1:52:42 PM)

Ma'am,

i sincerely wish that no-one feels excluded, i feel it not my place. i  found the subject niggled me, so i started this, to find out how O/others felt on this issue.

i thank thee most humbly for Your reply, Madame4a

the fox feels his coat stroked




OmegaG -> RE: My Master/Dom/me - who owns who here? (3/17/2008 2:01:21 PM)

is the crux of your question that by a person using a possesive pronoun when refering to the other person in the relationship that they are not acting in a protocol that you feel is appropriate?

As m'Lord stated to me, he is not A Master, he is my master.  And unless he tells me that I must change the way I refer to him and the way I refer to myself, I see no reason to change my communication style.




foxhole -> RE: My Master/Dom/me - who owns who here? (3/17/2008 2:01:27 PM)

i wish to thank A/all who have so far contributed to this posting, obviously the questions raised do enter to varying degree O/our lives

the fox




AquaticSub -> RE: My Master/Dom/me - who owns who here? (3/17/2008 2:05:09 PM)

~Fast Reply~

I no more own him than a standard "vanilla" couple owns each other when they say "my boyfriend" or "my wife". However, he does own me - he is my owner, the owner of me. We don't believe altering the already written rules of grammar does much for furthering submission, or at least it wouldn't for me. It's something interesting to consider, but the possessive word "my" frequently doesn't imply real ownership. For example: The books I used while in grade school were mine - even though they weren't. The teachers, my parents, and I referred to them as mine, but really they belonged to the school and had to be handed in at the end of every year.




ownedgirlie -> RE: My Master/Dom/me - who owns who here? (3/17/2008 2:15:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: foxhole

from the fox
in so many sub posts i read 'my Keyholder', 'my KH', 'my Master', 'my Mistress', 'my this', 'my that'. i find that quite surprising.
we possess 'our' Owners without a blick of an eylid. is it just through 'daily life' exerting itself? i often have to catch 'myself' of possessing, then re-phrasing in the mind.
are there different levels of possession, or is possession always ultimate, but not always exercised or insisted upon by the Possessor?
should the possessed learn  in speech and written word to identify themselves always as property? most subs write about themselves in lower case, their Partner is addressed in upper case, all contrary to the principles of written english language,  most Dom/mes do the reverse.  so here we have already a start.
Y/you see here, i prefer to write in lower case from beginning to end of a sentence, except to indicate the status of another. i also attempt to be able to live without personal pronouns in regards to this person ('me', 'myself', 'my', 'mine'). Y/you will find it is not as easy or makes for a fluent flow of words, but i find it keeps the head space. at times i have to be weary at work not to practice it in conversation with collegues or emails/letters, as i attempt to keep the head space throughout the day, being possessed does not stop as i unlock the car to drive to work.

have i gone so far down the lane, have i gone too far?

the curious fox,
his tail shining bright and silvery




There are many who follow your line of thinking...and many who do not. 

Would it make you happier if I said "He who owns me?"  Or when referring to my mother, "She who gave me birth?"  or to my siblings, "The people with whom I was raised?"  Or my college professors, "Those who taught me in school?" Or my friends, "Those whom I have befriended" or my employer, "The establishment with which I am employed?"

Do you see how this could get a little out of hand? 

Sometimes I simply refer to him as "Master", but then I have seen posts criticizing that as well, stating, "His name is not actually Master and he is not MY Master, so it is foolish to refer to him as that when talking to me." 

Quite often I refer to him as Mr. Wonderful.  And no, that is not his actual name, nor is he everybody's Mr. Wonderful, but it is a pet name by which I refer to him and so far it has not been met with criticism.

Then again, I do not write on message boards with the effort to please all readers universally.

As for upper case and lower case, I write with the grammer taught to me in school...not "my school" but the school I have attended.  [;)]  Master, my Master, Mr. Wonderful, the man who owns me, He to whom I submit, does not mind this.  He knows my submission to him exists regardless (as opposed to irregardless) of what grammer I utilize, and has no problem with the way I write.

I meant no offense by the words I expressed above (as opposed to "my words above"), but I wanted to demonstrate how we all, in our great uniqueness, express ourselves in ways that work best for us.

[:)]




foxhole -> RE: My Master/Dom/me - who owns who here? (3/17/2008 2:18:49 PM)

OmegaG,
thank you for your contribution, it is great to see so many different view points.

in answer to your question: No, i do not. i do not think of others behaving in a different manner, as being better or worse, the one-upmanship of bottoms, as of Tops so often experienced. 
i wanted to raise this discussion, because i wanted to hear other people's point of view on the matter, shake out cobwebs, that sort of thing. address MY personal demons, widen the horizon a little more. to find out if there is some common ground, or if D/s couples/families/all of U/us just making it all up as it comes along

thanks again

the fox




peppermint -> RE: My Master/Dom/me - who owns who here? (3/17/2008 2:19:40 PM)

quote:

in so many sub posts i read 'my Keyholder', 'my KH', 'my Master', 'my Mistress', 'my this', 'my that'. i find that quite surprising.


I find nothing surprising in the use of the word "my"  by a submissive.  He's not your Dom.  He's not the generic Dom down the street.  He's not the Dom we had lunch with last week.  He's the one who is in a relationship with me.  He could be referred to as The Dom or by his name but that wouldn't let the reader of a post know our relationship. 

I refer to the house i live in as MY home.  I don't have to own the house legally for it to be my home....it just is my home.  He's my Dom.  I don't have to own him legally for him to be my Dom....he's just simply my Dom. 

Stop trying to split hairs.  There is more to life than the use or nonuse of the word 'my' by a submissive.  In other words....chillout. 




xxblushesxx -> RE: My Master/Dom/me - who owns who here? (3/17/2008 2:32:04 PM)

You are this thread's OP; does that mean that the thread owns you?
Proper English does not preclude a bdsm mindset, imo.
Many of us on the boards avoid reading threads by people who write in the slashy speak, because it's very difficult to read.




RCdc -> RE: My Master/Dom/me - who owns who here? (3/17/2008 2:35:33 PM)

I address Darcy exactly how he wishes to be addressed.  Others protocols do not dictate on his relationship with his.girl., only his protocols matter.  I would suggest that goes for many people.  So in that sense, yes - people are 'making it up as they go along'.  People create protocols for their dynamics and use words accordingly.
 
One the possessiveness of the word 'my' - Our relationship is monogamous.  He is Master to no other and does not wish to be called such by another hence I speak as he is 'my' Master.  It is not possessive, but marks his own.
 
As with lower casing - I find that is pretty much online protocol - if it rocks for you go with it.  You will probably find here on CM, most use correct/standard english grammar and do not bother with it.  But if it puts you in a good headspace, is all good.
 
the.dark.




akisha -> RE: My Master/Dom/me - who owns who here? (3/17/2008 2:36:07 PM)

~FR~

I do not type in "chat-speek" unless in chat and even then I rarely do the Y/you and Y/your thing. I used to years ago but well now if someone has a problem with it they can say something.

When I speak of myself I capitialize the "I" if and when I bother, sometimes it's lowercase just because i didn't bother to hit the shift key this time.

As for being possessive. Yes my Dominant is mine as much as I am His. I do not share with out first talking it out and agreeing to it. Sorry I'm not one of the submissives or slaves that accepts what ever the Dominant or Top says. It's not in my nature, I am not that type of submissive and I therefore only am attracted to those that are on the same wave length when it comes to that dymanic with in the relationship.

The Domiant that I am currently getting to know has said that while he will not share me with other men, i am able to be with other submissive women, as long as he agrees with the choice. No he does not require that he be a participant.

I think every couple or group does what works best for them with in their relationship. There is no right or wrong.

If the submissive/slave/bottom is told outright she is never to speak of the Dominant in a possessive manner then great. If  the Domiant doesn't mind being possessed by his or her submissive etc then what's the harm?




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