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RE: advice for a beginner - 10/9/2005 1:16:01 PM   
JohnWarren


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ORIGINAL: stp

I tend to err on the side of caution, after all it is my life we are talking about. I would recommend speaking to your physician, as I may be wrong, it has happened before. I do know that there is a plasma spray, which also happens during piercing, which can be spread 15' if I remember correctly. This I learned from Elwood, during a demo He did a while back. Check him out at www.allaboutelwood.com (He also does branding and scarification) ;-)

In my area it is common to hear people in the community recommend that a bottom have their own toys.

Be safe
stp


I recommend having one's own toys but I'll be damned if I can figure out how the red and white blood cells can be removed from blood without a centrifuge or a millipore filter. Are you sure you aren't talking about lymphatic fluid?

Given he believes there is such a spray, what precautions did Elwood use during his piercing demo? If it takes place, I'd think the audience would have to be removed to a minimum distance of 20 or 30 feet and he would have to wear a gauze mask and clear face shield. Following the demo a circle 20 feet in diameter would have to be wiped down with a 10% bleach solution.



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RE: advice for a beginner - 10/9/2005 3:16:54 PM   
stp


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It is possible that the fluid is not plasma, although that is what I remember, either way, its best to take the precautions. You are correct in the precautions Elwood took before the demo, and in clean up. He made the audience aware, and would only let them have a closer look after the piercings were completed.

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RE: advice for a beginner - 10/9/2005 4:26:48 PM   
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Boy has this thread gotten off on a tangent!
Back to basics! Let’s sum-up.
Get a mentor.
Read, read, and read!
Participate in munches and local group events. If you are worried about social pressures visit other cities. If you think that is too much then it doesn’t matter, now does it?
Tough one.......introspection.........What do you really want? Be honest, that's the tough part:)
Don't forget to let us know how you are doing a year from now!



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RE: advice for a beginner - 10/9/2005 8:54:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subkirsten
Honestly, I'm more than a little put off by the "online is useless" attitude that comes across on this forum.


I am constantly amused how much time and effort is spent in online media telling people online media is useless :)

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ORIGINAL: subkirsten
to. And now I'm worried that there's some kind of clique that I don't know the secret handshake for or some damn thing. I mean, who wants to think that they'll be shot down for using the wrong term, or not being exact enough in their line of questioning?



Don't sweat it. The lifestyle (like most) is full of self apointed educators, police and guardians. They are not anything you need to pay attention to unless you find what they say of value.

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RE: advice for a beginner - 10/9/2005 8:58:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subkirsten
which is very arousing to me, but no longer seems "enough". Where would you start?...I can't seem to find anything online that discusses the levels of pain, the severity of the welts, etc. that would come from various implements.


It varies a lot. The nice thing is most of this stuff is inexpensive and almost none of it will kill or maim you if used with reasonable intelligence and a little caution. The only exception is a badly used single tail whipe or bullwhip... those take a lot of practice.

In order, from the things you mentions my girls find this pain wise (least to most)...

Spanking
Paddle
Flogger
Belt
Cane
Whip

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RE: advice for a beginner - 10/9/2005 9:02:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TallDarkAndWitty
Castle Realm: The place to go when you don't want first hand real life information!


LOL - ok, I'll leave it just like that :)

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RE: advice for a beginner - 10/9/2005 9:24:55 PM   
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quote:

I recommend having one's own toys but I'll be damned if I can figure out how the red and white blood cells can be removed from blood without a centrifuge or a millipore filter. Are you sure you aren't talking about lymphatic fluid?


www.dictionary .com

white blood cell

n. Abbr. WBC
Any of various blood cells that have a nucleus and cytoplasm, separate into a thin white layer when whole blood is centrifuged, and help protect the body from infection and disease. White blood cells include neutrophils, eosinophils, basophils, lymphocytes, and monocytes. Also called leukocyte, white cell, white corpuscle.
red blood cell

n. Abbr. RBC

A cell in the blood of vertebrates that transports oxygen and carbon dioxide to and from the tissues. In mammals, the red blood cell is disk-shaped and biconcave, contains hemoglobin, and lacks a nucleus. Also called erythrocyte, red cell, red corpuscle.
plas·ma

P Pronunciation Key (pl z m ) also plasm (pl z m)n.

1.
a. The clear, yellowish fluid portion of blood, lymph, or intramuscular fluid in which cells are suspended. It differs from serum in that it contains fibrin and other soluble clotting elements.
b. Blood plasma.

http://www.bloodbook.com/facts.html

Plasma, the fourth major component of Blood, is a sticky, pale yellow fluid mixture of water, protein and salts. It is 95% water. The other 5% is made up of nutrients, proteins and hormones.
Blood Plasma constitutes 55% of the volume of human Blood.

http://www.bdsm-peergroup.com/resources_toy_cleaning.htm

--This is a small excerpt of the article, I would encourage anyone interested (actually I'd encourage those not intersted as well ;-) to read it in it's entirety--

Contagious body fluids include blood, plasma, semen, vaginal fluids and saliva. Urine and feces can also carry pathogens. Simple skin contact, even if the skin is sweaty, is not considered sufficient as a vector of direct (or indirect) transmission of any known pathogen. So it is generally safe to use a leather flogger on more than one person's back or ass in succession, assuming that no one has broken skin. Washing in between with saddle soap (or a suitable suede care product if you own a soft flogger) is not a bad idea for general hygiene, but hardly a dire necessity if the instrument has touched only unbroken skin.

This is not always a safe assumption. Pimples or “zits” are effectively broken skin, and they are not an uncommon occurrence. Likewise minute scratches, scrapes or pinpricks; horsehair whips are particularly good at creating these tiny breaks in the epidermis, and stiff, scratchy-edged leather can do the same kind of almost unseen damage. But how likely is it in reality that an infection could be transmitted this way?

2. The recipient must be vulnerable to the disease, ie, not immune. Since there is not currently an effective vaccine for AIDS (though there is one for most strains of hepatitis), you can assume you are not immune and you are vulnerable to disease.

--POSTERS ADDITION – please note that a person must be vaccinated and does not have a natural immunity to hepatitis. If you aren’t vaccinated you are susceptible under the circumstances (but not limited to) outlined in this article.

How much of a risk are you taking by re-using a flogger that has broken skin? Again, the factors that control disease transmission are presence of pathogen (somebody actually has to have the disease), amount of pathogen (was it barely a smear, or really wet with blood, and did you reduce the amount of fluid or the viability of the pathogens in the fluid by wiping, washing, drying or applying a sterilizing solution?), vulnerability to the pathogen (if you've been successfully vaccinated against hepatitis, you can't get those strains) and point of entry (infected fluid must contact mucus membrane or broken skin) and length of exposure time (how fast did you wash it off).

Those are the factors that influence your risk level. You can choose the level of precaution you want to take. Since AIDS is a fatal disease, most people prefer to err on the side of caution.

Citations: American Red Cross Emergency Response textbook, 1993 edition; additional recent information from SFSI, Jay Wiseman and Dr. Charles Moser.

Thanks to John Warren for the post on alt.torture that provided the inspiration to write this article.

DISCLAIMER: Please consult your doctor or a trusted medical authority for recent, up to date information if you are concerned about most accurately assessing your level of risk. I have done my best to accurately research this information, but I am a layperson (have been certified only to the First Responder level by the American Red Cross) and not a practicing medical doctor.

http://www.youngagain.com/hepc.html

According to the CDC, 1 in 45 Americans or nearly 2.% per cent of the American population is infected with Hepatitis C.

--END QUOTES

Just my opinion, but if I win the lottery I want it to be the one where I receive money for it, not HIV or hepatitis or who knows what else and just because someone doesn't know (or worse, know) they have a disease doesn't mean they can't spread it.

Safety is absolutely an issue for begginers, intermediates and experts.

Wartenberg pinwheels, whips, dragon's tongues, vampire gloves, rope floggers (abrasion play) and probably a few dozen other common and not so common instruments and techniques are all very capable of breaking the skin and in especially the case of the wartenberg and vampire gloves you may not know immediately.

D (owner of j)

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RE: advice for a beginner - 10/10/2005 12:05:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: subkirsten

Where would you start?...I can't seem to find anything online that discusses the levels of pain, the severity of the welts, etc. that would come from various implements.
What is most painful, most intense, what is least? What leaves marks?


Smiles....welcome to the world of masochism. I think that it would be difficult to look on line to try and find out which implements provide what different pain levels. It is nothing that is standardized. It is an individual thing. While 15 minutes with a cane may have me begging for more....another may be shouting out a safe word after a minute or two. The answers to the questions you ask will vary with each person who answers them. Some people will mark more easily than others. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it) i do not mark easily at all....it takes quite a bit to get me to mark.
The best way to determine your pain threshold in regards to the various implements of torture is going to be by "feel." Is there a Top or Dominant that you play with? If you have someone that you know and trust you might want to negotiate a scene in which the different items will be used on you...and you provide a pain response number. Use the numbers 1 through 10. 1 being.....has it started yet? and 10 being....do that again and i will kill you. I have heard that this has helped a lot of people get an idea of where their pain threshold is.
G'luck, have fun and be safe.

cathy





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