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Madame4a -> RE: Homo-phobic and then some (3/19/2008 3:55:31 PM)

amazing argument...

uh.. newsflash ... number of employees dictates cost of group health insurance, not WHO
another newflash ... homosexual couples are having AND adopting children all over the place

hello, welcome to the next century




faerytattoodgirl -> RE: Homo-phobic and then some (3/19/2008 3:57:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

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ORIGINAL: faerytattoodgirl

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And I can get the Gender Recognition Certificate without having reassignment surgery.


you can get your m changed to an f without surgery?? holy shit... not here you cant...fat chance of that ever happening...im stuck with an M even though i am intersexed.




Hi Faery - yep, you just have to convince the Gender Recognition Panel that you've lived as female for a certain period or that for medical/age reasons it would be unreasonable to undergo SRS.

In the meantime its been no problem to get my driving licence changed (the numbers are ordered differently for M and F), passport, banking, utilities, insurance etc changed to show Ms or F. But my Birth Certificate says M, so it would be off to a male prison I'd go........ what fun!

I cant understand why with all the changes we've had here certainly, the intersexed seem to have been ignored and left behind whilst we're getting progress. Mind you its so difficult to get information on intersex matters so I dont know if my impression is accurate?

E


well the rules are so strict in canada due to all the suicides associated with transitioning weather it happen before srs or after.  so the gov't has made it near impossible to transition or change anything legal.  this started back in 1998.  previous to 1998 it was easy and covered fully by gov't.  now you have to fully transition and have surgery to get your M changed.  even though i am all F by birth..they wont change me.  i have to do what trans do.   and i am not going through their crap...that include 2 psychiatrists to say your not crazy!  do you know what the govt were spending previous to 1998 for this? like 200K! big whoop!





pahunkboy -> RE: Homo-phobic and then some (3/19/2008 3:58:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

I've read somewhere (maybe the lawyers can pipe up), that some civil unions lack the full effects of a marriage.

thornhappy



A buddy of mine thinks this is only on the "discussion"  FOR lawyers to have more  work.  i think he is abit alarmist.




xxblushesxx -> RE: Homo-phobic and then some (3/19/2008 4:18:33 PM)

This is all so sad. As is the fact that a gay couple can be together for decades, one of them gets sick, and has no legal say on the others' treatment, whearas the 'family' who chose to ignore the sick person for those decades all of a sudden wants to make those sorts of decisions.
Ridiculous.
And I've seen it happen.
People are people.
Black, white, gay, straight, bdsm or vanilla.
Surely, we can figure out if it's fair for one, then it's fair for all, right?
Is this really that difficult?




beargonewild -> RE: Homo-phobic and then some (3/19/2008 5:16:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DupedDom

Shoot em if they run, is a good philosophy, worked well when Frank Rizzo was mayor of Philadelphia.

I do not see any reaon why the state should not recognize same sex marriages. Churches, that is a different thing. A church should be able to choose who they marry, the state should have some provisions for people of the same sex that are long term partners and need to deal with property issues and other legal issues.

Call me a homo-phobe, I love my gay neighbors but I believe that the lifestyle is immoral.

I also have some guns that were handed down to me and I intent to keep them, in my home for protection.

And for the Bear, Breeder?? How many people in heterosexual relationships have sex for reproductions sake??? You like labels??? I can imagine that close minded people have alot of names for homosexuals as well.


DupedDom.....it is immaterial whether I like labels or not and I used those particular to get a point across. As a matter of info, chances are I have heard most derogatory names for everyone who is part of the LGBT community over the past 40 years. If you have an hour or two, I'd be more than happy to list them for you  *grins*




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Homo-phobic and then some (3/19/2008 5:18:29 PM)

To the OP:

No offense, but that'a pretty "gay" looking photo for someone that is against gay marriages. 

You need a photo of yourself eating a steak, drinking a beer, driving a truck, skinning a deer, you know something like that. 

*For those with no sense of humor:  I AM KIDDING* 




Griswold -> RE: Homo-phobic and then some (3/19/2008 5:26:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: boytoy4female

I happened to be in a chat room the other day, when someone said something about gay marriage. I stated I did not believe "marriage" should be available for homosexuals. I was immediately attacked, booted and called a homo-phobe.

(I'm shocked).

So for those small, closed minded individuals, let me also tell you what else I am. I am (a) male-phobic as I dont believe boys need to be in the girl scouts. I am (a) female phobic for the opposite reason.

I am a racist, because I dont believe anyone should be called a(n) african-american, japanese-american, etc. I think we should just all be (A)mericans.

I am a gun rights lunatic because I own a few guns, which I inherited; and I dont believe taking away the rights of the majority (comma) because a minority cant obey the rules.

I am a (N)azi because I think cops should be allowed to shoot you if you run.


(Couldn't have said it better m'se'f...I'm fairly confident you expressed yourself quite well).
 
(Even though you had a little trouble....uhhhmmmm....that is.....uhhhh....expressing yourself).

(Feeel better now?)




Gwynvyd -> RE: Homo-phobic and then some (3/19/2008 5:26:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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ORIGINAL: aviinterra

Most 'normal' people favor giving homosexual couples civil unions- that is, they get ALL the beneifts that 'normal' couples get at work and in govt. The word marriage has religious connections, hence it leads back to various churches, most of which view marriage as a sacred 'ok' for a couple to start having kids. Since two men or two women can't produce kids, they can't marry.


i am not nit picking here, and did not read the entire thread, but one statement here caught my eye. Marriage is the sacred ok to start having children and gays/lesbians can't have children so marriage is vetoed.
If there is a church out there that is hiding behind this then how can they justify marrying infertle couples? Should those men and women remain forever single?




it is with that school of thought that I would like to see the churches clamor for every straight infertile couples marriage to be instantly annuled.

It would never happen. Never.

Gay people can and do have children. I have a 10 year old with my partner. I am Mommie, she is Mama. Our Church sees us as equal parents. We are involved in the Religious Education Committee. I am on a couple of Boards at Church. Once things calm down I might finaly have a commitment ceromony with my girl in our church.

Just because *your* church doesnt reconize GLBT folks as equals... and say it is a sin doesnt mean it should be against the law.. and it doesnt mean every one, and every church thinks so.

Gwyn,
Happy to have found a wonderful and welcoming spiritual community




beargonewild -> RE: Homo-phobic and then some (3/19/2008 5:28:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

To the OP:

No offense, but that'a pretty "gay" looking photo for someone that is against gay marriages. 

You need a photo of yourself eating a steak, drinking a beer, driving a truck, skinning a deer, you know something like that. 

*For those with no sense of humor:  I AM KIDDING* 


Don't forget the red plaid shirt   ROFLMFAO




beargonewild -> RE: Homo-phobic and then some (3/19/2008 5:38:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: aviinterra

This reply is to no one in particular, just an observation on what I have been reading on this thread.
I have noticed that people tend to get upset when homosexual couples demand a right to marriage- note the use of the term marriage. Most 'normal' people favor giving homosexual couples civil unions- that is, they get ALL the beneifts that 'normal' couples get at work and in govt. The word marriage has religious connections, hence it leads back to various churches, most of which view marriage as a sacred 'ok' for a couple to start having kids. Since two men or two women can't produce kids, they can't marry. I kind of wonder at the insistance of the homosexual rights groups that the word marriage has to be used- it should properly be an insistance on the right to have civil unions, since that is what the govt. can give a couple. A church is a private thing, the govt. can't force it to marry just anybody.
As for the business aspect of this, I can see the rational of business owners not wanting to pay for more benefits, esp. the small employers. Hiring a worker is extremely expensive ( worker's comp, liability, benefits, etc.) that at some point it ceases to be helpful to the business and hence a job position is gone from the market ( in terms of large corps. moved overseas ). Each problem has two faces, either we go all capitalistic in our country, or go to a more social model, but being in between is not working currently.



The insistence of the gay rights activists wanting to use the term marriage is based on the premises that common law couples are considered married under the eyes of the government,  therefore they are accorded the rights and privileges they are entitled to. Simply put, we fought the same battle the common law couples fought 30 some years ago when they wanted their unions recognized and to gain some measure of legal protection with that union.





dcnovice -> RE: Homo-phobic and then some (3/19/2008 5:41:40 PM)

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Since two men or two women can't produce kids, they can't marry.


Can a man and woman marry if one of them is infertile?




faerytattoodgirl -> RE: Homo-phobic and then some (3/19/2008 5:42:38 PM)

and two women can easily get preg...something called sperm bank.




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Homo-phobic and then some (3/19/2008 5:47:17 PM)

I am all for gay marriages, because I think gay weddings would be a great place to meet chicks.  Honestly, I am not kidding on that one.  My gay friends have FOXY looking gal pals.  So y'all invite me.  I will bring an awesome gift.  If it's an open bar wedding, I don't care if you are marrying a monkey.  By all means send me an invitation. 





faerytattoodgirl -> RE: Homo-phobic and then some (3/19/2008 6:09:11 PM)

eh the girls at the gay weddings are almost always gay too you know.




Gwynvyd -> RE: Homo-phobic and then some (3/19/2008 6:21:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: faerytattoodgirl

eh the girls at the gay weddings are almost always gay too you know.


I think he is in search of the Fag hags...


Gwyn




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Homo-phobic and then some (3/19/2008 9:12:23 PM)

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eh the girls at the gay weddings are almost always gay too you know.


No they're not. 

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I think he is in search of the Fag hags...


Gwyn 


Nope wrong again.  Fag hags are generally ugly or emotional basket cases.  Most of the ones I know anyway. 




Gwynvyd -> RE: Homo-phobic and then some (3/19/2008 9:21:13 PM)

Most Super Models are fag hags... I will hand it to you on the basket cases.. but then 80% of people are basket cases in general.. so balance it out...

you get a couple of oh dear gods.. your birth certificate was the Condom factories appolgy letter kinda gals.. but then I have seen loads and loads of ugly men who just knew they were Gods gift to women.

At least an ugly girl will give a decent blow job. Ugly men are generaly even less inept then thier more attactive counterparts. Which is saying something. You'd think they would brush up on thier skills and make themselves useful.

Gwyn,
yes I know I am going to hell for those last comments.. LOL




MasterWilliam55 -> RE: Homo-phobic and then some (3/19/2008 9:43:52 PM)

I don't want to overstate the obvious, but this is your thread. It's up to you to provide reasons for your position. Your statement left on its own sure sounds like gay-bashing to me. If your going to support gay intolerance, you should be providing the rational argument for your position.




MasterWilliam55 -> RE: Homo-phobic and then some (3/19/2008 9:52:16 PM)

Now were at it. Men and women Should always remain single. Don't you realize how many lawyers would be put out of work. We can't have that now can we?




GreedyTop -> RE: Homo-phobic and then some (3/19/2008 9:52:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Gwynvyd

Most Super Models are fag hags... I will hand it to you on the basket cases.. but then 80% of people are basket cases in general.. so balance it out...

you get a couple of oh dear gods.. your birth certificate was the Condom factories appolgy letter kinda gals.. but then I have seen loads and loads of ugly men who just knew they were Gods gift to women.

At least an ugly girl will give a decent blow job. Ugly men are generaly even less inept then thier more attactive counterparts. Which is saying something. You'd think they would brush up on thier skills and make themselves useful.

Gwyn,
yes I know I am going to hell for those last comments.. LOL


Heh.. I've been called a fag hag more than a few times... [:D]




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