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NeedToUseYou -> RE: Republicans know how to win elections (3/20/2008 11:57:39 PM)
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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112
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This country is over.
No statement, pro-Clinton, pro-Obama, pro-McCain, pro-anything could possibly be as absolutely and categorically wrong as these few words.
This country has its issues, has its problems, has its deep and dangerous divisions, but its final chapters have yet to be written.
I'm leaning against this more and more. Ask yourself what defines a country, it's not roads, it's not just borders, it's not congress, or the president. What defines a country is the philosphy it holds. Does it matter if this country shares the name of the country that was here in the 1700's 1800's 1900's. I don't think it does, and while for a long period of time we were reaching closer to the ideals embodied in our defining texts(abolishing slaverly, womens liberation, etc..), we've been falling further and further from other concepts just as valid and important, and necessary in my opinion to claim what we promised to be.
It may be true that the Label United States of America will continue to exists for hundreds of years, it feels the definition of the ideal embodied in our founding documents, has become something of a novelty a trivial nuance to be worked around in order to consolidate power and control.
Recent example if you will, The Federal Reserve essentially bought Bear Stearns for J.P. Morgan. Oh it's not stated as such on paper, but the fed could have extended the same deal to Bear Stearns and saved them, ask yourself why they didn't. They went broke merely because everyone in a 24 hour period decided to stop dealing with them. Ummm okay, and the excuse given was financing concerns brought on by people stopping dealing with. So, the Federal Reserve, backs 30 billion of Bear Stearns assets for J.P. Morgan with your money, dumps another 200 billion on the market and even opens up direct borrowing by INVESTMENT BANKS on the maket all courtesy of upcoming inflation, and therefore devaluation of your money, lest it be properly placed in the market.
Now, were in there is any semblance of a free market. To give you a microcosm example of the above. It would be equivalent of a necessary large factory in your town was going down, because people temporarily weren't buying there stuff, but it is a 100% certified short term situation that could be diffused with a cash injection. So, what would the logical thing to do be.
A. Give the factory a loan, and back it up.
B Let the factory fail and not even 24 hours later, fund a competitor organization, one that is a known member of the funding source, and give them more benefits than were necessary to stop the necessity of the sale to begin with.
Hrmmmm. Either that is the situation or they all Fed, J.P. Morgan, and Bear Stearns, are lying about the situation. Again a criminal offense.
There is much good in this country, and the greatest good of all is that we are able to have intense and passioned political debates such as the ones here in these forums without people taking to the streets in violent rebellion. In countries such as China and Russia, those who speak against the regime are imprisoned and sometimes executed. In countries such as Pakistan leaders are assassinated in pursuit of political agendas. In countries such as Venezuela, leaders seek to game the system to perpetuate their personal power.
Free Speech is good and we enjoy it fairly well compared to the rest of the world, but I care not about what you say if I can take it all away on a whim.
Whatever the faults and flaws of this year's crop of presidential candidates, whatever faults and flaws exist in this country's political processes, the above-mentioned flaws do not number among them. Even the controversies surrounding Florida in 2000 did not result in violence or insurrection--an outcome which would have been almost de rigeuer in other parts of the globe. Despite all manner of controversy, our political processes have endured intact for over 200 years, and, so long as people continue to care, will endure for 200 more and beyond.
I'm suprised you think a stolen election wouldn't warrant a revolt. Personally one little upheaval in government by the people would probably stop all that non-sense for quite a period of time. All the pacifism did was show them they can get away with it. Bizarre.
And the political process is somewhat of a joke, do you realize that McCain was receiving substantially more media coverage than his poll numbers would warrant from the beginning. There actually is a CNN clip on YouTube, were they discussed it once. Prolonged sustained media exposure sways elections. There cannot be a legit election in this time, without some kind of break up of the oligarchy that is the media. Basicly, If my memory is correct 4 companies run most all the major stations. That means 4 companies essentially decide who is and who is not going to have a snowballs chance in hell.
No, this country is not over....not yet, and not by a damn sight.
I don't think it's over but I do think it's perilously close to being anything more than a namesake.
Been up for about 20 hours can't sleep for some reason. Forgive any blatant errors. Thanks.
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