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HOUDINI1961 -> RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING (3/21/2008 3:23:52 PM)

yes, i have a feeling the hypnotherapist lady would have hypnotized those slavery thoughts right out of my head!

oh, chamberqueen, thanks for the info, can i get the "Diary of an S & M Romance" online?




MasterDarell -> RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING (3/21/2008 3:40:13 PM)

From my experience hypnotism in the classic sense is pretty ineffective for completely changing a person's life. It's effects are far to subtle. Most slaves know that they need to be slaves but they can still have doubts at first. Sometimes it takes intense psychological and emotionsal training. If you find a good master he will effectively show you your place and you will learn to love it.




Exquemelin -> RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING (3/21/2008 4:15:54 PM)

The audio verision of Diary of an S&M Romance is actually availible on I-tunes for a free download, the couple who made it actually does a podcast too. The Podcast is Submission and Coffee.

I'm actually a mind control/hypno fetishist, and would love to learn hypnosis but everyone I've talked to says it can be fun for some games but the effects don't last. As others have said, it can't make you do anything you don't want to do. I know some people who use it in their relationships, actually one who the sub is deaf.




DesFIP -> RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING (3/21/2008 6:34:32 PM)

Maybe the reason you have a hard time accepting that you're meant to be a slave is because you aren't.

Or maybe it's just that you haven't met anyone who you could submit to. Or who has earned that from you. Because it's not something you can or should do without knowing the master really well.




Leatherist -> RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING (3/21/2008 6:42:03 PM)

It's called "Watching the evening news"




boytoy4female -> RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING (3/26/2008 2:48:57 PM)

Again, hypnosis is a process not an event. I am not an easy subject and by nature am not suggestible. But, through repeated practice, conditioning, etc, I have come to be affected by hypnosis. I am still amazed at how far it took me. At first it was just an enhancement. You can start with something simple like enhancing sex drive or desire. Then link that to the next step and after some time, you may have achieved some substantial results. It does work.




MasterWilliam55 -> RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING (3/26/2008 6:35:49 PM)

It's bullshit. You cannot be hypnotized by tapes. They can though help you visualize "what it's like or required" to be a slave. In the end though, If you have to be hypnotized into being a slave, perhaps your not cut out for it in the first  place.




MasterWilliam55 -> RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING (3/26/2008 6:55:38 PM)

Actually, hypnosis can work on anyone. The problem is that some subjects like you and I require different technigues then what's usually available in a "performance". I would never have believed I could be put "under" until a trained clinical hypnosist did exactly that.

The biggest issue today for clinical hypnosists is the altering and creating of memories.
You can, though this, alter a persons memory of what was real. Suggestion under deep hypnosis can become reality for the people under it.

This is a major debate for hynotists working with  abused children especially.




boytoy4female -> RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING (3/27/2008 9:53:34 AM)

Well Master William, you are partially correct. If you do not wish to be hypnotized by tapes, you cant be. There are many levels to hypnosis and it took me a lot of practice to achieve results. And, I have achieved deep trance only a few times. Those times were some of the most amazing times in my experience. All hypnosis is self-hypnosis.

As far as being hypnotized into being a slave, you could use hypnosis to reduce inhibitions. This is much like when people get drunk and uninhibited. The first step is to get them to achieve a hypnotic trance and be open to suggestion. The first time, they wont be a slave. But, it may open their mind to consider it. Or; even explore some fairly mild side of slavery.




derfrewop -> RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING (3/27/2008 6:03:32 PM)

Sorry, most of what is being said here is simply bullshit from people who don't know what they are talking about.

Hypnosis is real and highly effective within its proper realm. All that it is at bottom is a process for distracting or shutting down specific functions of the mind. That is both its power and its limitation. Anybody can be hypnotized given enough attempts. Erickson talks of a person it took him 400 plus tries. It is also perfectly possible to make somebody commit murder while they are still under. The classic experiment was 10 soldiers who were hypnotized to believe the next man entering the room would be an enemy soldier. 100% attempted to kill their commanding officer.

The flip side is the limitation that no matter how deep or powerful the commands, they can not stand in direct opposition to the mind. Yes you can utterly convince a man he is a woman but that conviction will fail as soon as he goes to the bathroom. In your specific case, you could be hypnotized to be the perfect little slave, it is not even hard, just suggest that you are a perfect little slave and let your mind fill in the blanks. Its just that as soon as those little bits you turned off get turned back on, any part that conflicts with your coherent sense of self gets tossed right out.

Hypnosis can cause long term change but it must be fully compatible with the person you are and must be really tightly tailored to your own mind. There is no way a tape from some stranger will ever meet this requirement. Even if somehow the tape was exactly compatible, there is no way to achieve what is known as "rapport" via a tape.

It is possible to use hypnosis to "slavify" someone but from scratch and using a subject who isn't 99% of the way there already makes it really unlikely for anyone. Even more, you are going to have a really hard time finding somebody who has that level of skill who would even begin to think that this is a good idea.

Hypnosis is a lot of fun and can be incredibly useful in the right circumstances. But a general tool to make somebody a slave...not a chance.





IronBear -> RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING (3/27/2008 7:20:12 PM)

I shudder at the thought of hypnosis being iused by self taught or taught under less than professional situations. It is not a game and the long term effects may include various forms of psychosis. I have to deal with this from time to time and spend the time undoing as much as psooible the dammage done by some amateur. from the view of both a psychologist and a hypno-therapist my advise is to stay away from trying to use hypnosis unless you are professionally accredited. meditation is another area altogether and the mild trance like state found there, is generally benificial to people...

Iron Bear
Master of Bruin Cottage
(A Victorian Lifestyle poly home)

"I judge a Man by what I see him do and not by what others tell me he does."
(Captain Sir Edward Pellew of the HMS Indefatigable to Midshipman Hornblower ~ C.S. Forrester)




chamberqueen -> RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING (3/27/2008 7:33:27 PM)

Good information but no need to be rude.  Soldiers would kill because they are already trained to - suggest to them that there is an enemy and they will believe it.  Suggest the same to an average citizen and you will get a different result.




SixFootMaster -> RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING (3/27/2008 8:23:13 PM)

People vary in their susceptibility to hypnosis whether it is self hypnosis or guided hypnosis.

An important part to remember when you see the stage magician snap his fingers and put someone under only to have them cavorting around the stage like a trained iguanadon is that the mind doing the grunt work, the one producing the actual magic, is that of the person being hypnotized. They hypnotist simply puts that person into a state where they are open to suggestion, everything else you see is a product of the "patient".

In more detail, these suggestions insinuate themselves between your ratio and your ego. The ratio performs the duties of governance and the ego is the actor, the part that governs which actions are required to achieve a goal. As such, suggestions are incapable of changing your actual thoughts and attitudes. Conscious thoughts and feelings can be suspended/ignored through suggestion ("You will feel relaxed, calm, at peace with yourself and the world around you") but our underlying natures cannot be. Thus it is not possible to suggest to a person that they do something against their nature - this will usually break the trance as the mind rejects the suggestion.

Can you be hypnotized by tapes? Most definitely, but it is a lot harder than actually sitting through a session with a trained hypnotist. A live hypnotist can monitor everything about your state - breathing, muscular tension, movement of your eyes beneath your eyelids and so forth. They can also ask questions to verify the progress of the session, tweak the suggestions made and so forth, and thereby lead to a deeper trance and a more productive session over all. Key elements are breath control and relaxation, introversion (hence often you will be instructed to close your eyes). In fact there isn't a whole lot of difference between self-hypnotism and meditation.

If you're trying hypnosis for whatever reason, don't expect magic results, particularly not on the first or second session - these are generally devoted to establishing a smooth and easy path into a deeper state of relaxation, each session building on the previous till you are at a place where real work can be done.

Six.

P.S: It is very possible to brainwash someone using hypnosis - since false memories can be suggested, and the repetitive nature allows reinforcement of statements and suggestions until they "take". That said, even the deepest suggest can spontaneously be undone if the metabrain challenges it - since at no time is there confusion at that level over what is suggested and what is real. It is only the ratio, the concious mind and governance that is deceived.




satyrne07 -> RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING (3/27/2008 9:01:26 PM)

One of the keys to hypnosis is vividness of imagination.  A good hypnotist begins by frst shutting off distractions and then activating the imagination to the point that you can experience what is suggested. It is essential that you be interested in these first steps. If you work at it, a recording can be effective if you want to work along with the recording, based upon a prior trust in the one making it. Without distraction it is possible to imagine the color RED or lying on a beach, or walking down a staircase. The important thing is that imagining the color red vividly and seeing the color red are very much the same (a study showed imagining shooting free-throws and actually shooting them both improved performance)

This is where "will it help" comes into play. There are many reasons to  resist a desire, or any action ... playing it out fully in your imagination is a tangible experience. Because we are more afraid of the unknown than the known, once an experience is played out under hypnosis, it is no longer "unknown".   You might not like the experience and then it's best not to go further, but if you do like it and discover that you can now "see yourself" in the role, it can be powerful and may have the lasting effect of making you less resistant because the taboo is broken.

I've experienced hypnosis (to the extent that it occurred) and found it to be more a matter of relaxing and listening than any out of body or mystical transformation. But it did have the real effects that I described above.




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