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HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING - 3/20/2008 10:31:46 PM

HOUDINI1961

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i've had a problem accepting the fact that i need to be a slave. i have an internal struggle over it, it's a need vs. want thing. but, my question is i came across this Master online who has hypnotherapy tapes that he said will help me accept my slavery. does anyone think it would?

he said to be careful because once i start listening to them and they get deeper and deeper into it, brainwashing occurs and there will be no turning back.

does anyone have any input on this subject?

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RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING - 3/20/2008 11:37:57 PM

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My kid and her bf tried it to quit smoking. For some unexplained reason he couldn't put her under. The bf is still somking today. I hear voodoo dolls work. go figure.

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RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING - 3/20/2008 11:55:59 PM

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Depends on how susceptible to hypnosis you are, and how deeply you want the slavery thing. If you have ANY inner resistance to it, it wont work. If you're not someone who is highly susceptible to suggestion (which is essentially what this kind of hypnosis IS), it's not likely to work.

The thing you should probably do is re-evaluate just WHY you're having the struggle. resolve that. it maybe that you are NOT truly a 'slave', but possibly more a submissive, or even a bottom. NOthing wrong with any of the above. but you need to get an idea of who/what you are.. and more importantly, WHAT YOU WANT/NEED.

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RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING - 3/21/2008 12:07:33 AM

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You cannot be hypnotized by listening to tapes. If he is charging for the tapes, you are wasting your money. Most definitely you will be wasting your time.
Better to explore your resistance to slavery instead of looking for a magic pill to make you become a slave.

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RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING - 3/21/2008 2:51:18 AM

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Ofcorse it will work. After all, hypnotherapy can also increase your penis size. Just lay back, close your eyes, and imagine the cells of your body carrying more portiens and nutrient portions to your man hood.

Needless to say, the brain washing is BULL SHIT.

However, I think you can change. Your willingness or desire to submit can be achieved in small steps. Hypnotherapy tapes may help you to be in the right frame of mind or give you the confidence to control yourself as you repeat "I can submit, I will submit." For the tapes to really work, you will have to first "submit" to the tapes.

In all honesty, I think you're better off being a slave without the tapes or any other type of hypnosis. You'll make a great slave when you serve the right dom/domme.

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RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING - 3/21/2008 3:13:34 AM

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Hypnosis, from what I understand, really can't force you to do anything you don't want to do.

For you, you need to work to find the root of your fear. Why are you afraid to be a slave?

I really get an intuitive tug that Buthmanns would be a good event for you. Why I feel that, I'm not totally sure. Usually, I recommend it to people who post about spiritual stuff...but, check it out. I think it might be a good experience for you. You can come and be a slave in a heart and service oriented way for the weekend in a very safe atmosphere. There's one coming up at the end of April.

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RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING - 3/21/2008 3:50:21 AM

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I have a very limited understanding of hypnosis but 2 points come to mind....

A) Not everyone is susceptible to it - including me.... In my younger days I was one of the half-dozen or so "excused" (rejected - *gasp*) onstage when the audience was invited to participate during a show.

B) As MasterFireMaam says, even within a deep trance you can't lead the subject to do something that's otherwise against their principles and sense of right or justice etc.

Since becoming or accepting you have slave needs, the latter shouldn't be a barrier to you. Whether or not you're susceptible is a matter of trying it. I suspect the "brainwashing" part is BS and all part of the "sales pitch". Even if the tapes work, I would imagine being under has a "shelf life" but could probably be useful for breaking down initial inhibitions....

Personally, if it's that important to you, I tend to think the best method is to find someone willing and able and get that 'slave' itch scratched 101....

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RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING - 3/21/2008 5:19:31 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: HOUDINI1961
i've had a problem accepting the fact that i need to be a slave.

Life's hard, then you die.

I'd carry on wrestling with the problem on my own. Problems can be "interesting", especially tough ones; and it's good to build the power (on your own) to be able to handle them. Places like this, where you can seek other people's views and experiences, are great to help you work things out for yourself.

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RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING - 3/21/2008 5:25:58 AM

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As has been mentioned if you really dont want to then hyposis wont work. I am very suseptible to hypnotism I think because I am one of those hippy types who believes in all that kind of thing, but I know that you still have a sense of awareness about it, like it wont make you wake up and start killing people, it can open differant boxes and flip differant switches in your brian, it can also be a bit dangerous in that regard.

As others have said I would recomend that you deal with your struggles yourself, If its too much of a struggle then why do it? you are what you are you dont have to force anything really.

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RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING - 3/21/2008 5:28:34 AM

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There is truth to what all have said. I have 1st hand experience with this type of training. Dont think of it has some type of magic. Think of it as conditionioning. You've heard the first step in solving any problem is talking about it. At first, the hypnosis will allow your mind to talk to itself, even halucinate/dream on the events.

You are correct in stating you wont do anything you would not normally do. You will find out what those hard limits are. But, if you are open to some things, a little hypnotic enticement may help you explore them. Believe me, if you run into something against your moral fiber or which threatens your personal well being, you will be quite aware of it and able to make rational decisions. Pushing those limits will only be achievable if you feel completely safe with your dom.

It was most interesting to me, to find out how much more trust I could build and how much I could push my percieved limits, through using hypnosis.

Remember, it is a process and not an event. You most likely wont be messing your pants tomorrow. What you may experience tomorrow is an increased desire to explore this side of your personality. A good dom/domme will take you in baby steps, starting with small acheivable goals. Be sure and take a flash light and compass, as you may turn around and find you are further from home than you thought you would be.

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RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING - 3/21/2008 5:29:24 AM

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To utilise hypnosis you have to be accepting of it and be the personality type that is open to suggestion. Making a blanket statement that it would work would be ill advised.

Personally, I believe the dominant in question is simply trying to exert authority over you with an overly romantic ideal of hypnosis and would suggest a little bit of bullshit there. He is already trying to provoke you by using suggestion already.

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RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING - 3/21/2008 5:32:11 AM

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While it might be true, brainwashing cannot be from tapes. That takes a more active element. However, some people can and some people canotbe hypnotized. Angel cannot, unfortunately, although we have tried. You ahve to be able to relax and truly believe what is being said. If you dont, you can listen to the rock sation on the radio with the same results.
Do not take his word for it, as gospel, that this is your fix all for your slave problems.

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RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING - 3/21/2008 7:37:17 AM

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Seems to be it's best if you just come to terms with it in your own time when you are ready.

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RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING - 3/21/2008 8:03:29 AM

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From my understanding, hypnotherapy is effective to modify behavior and in some cases it's isn't effective on some people. Any valid hypnothrerapist will staet that hypnosis will not work if the subject is asked to do something which is against their own moral values. Which is why you can not hypnotize a person to murder another.

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RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING - 3/21/2008 8:07:36 AM

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For some it works
For many its a parlour trick.

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RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING - 3/21/2008 8:40:21 AM

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"Why do you need to be a slave? What needs are met by that, that cannot be met in other ways? Why are you struggling with it?" As others have said you need to sort this problem out first.

Hypnosis isnt brainwashing. It can help you accept things a little more easily than you might otherwise.

There is a site dedicated to erotic hypnosis, Warp My Mind. You will find Hypnodoms/Hypnodommes there that will be more than happy to help with any queries regarding the subject.

Hypnosis is real and it isnt to be taken lightly. There are a lot of charlatans out there who use it for their own ends so please be careful.

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RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING - 3/21/2008 8:46:34 AM

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If you do a search on the archives here and the general forum going back a few years ago there were a couple of very lengthy and informative threads about this. To be honest I have no intention of going over all this again other than to say I know hypnosis works and that "brain washing" or conditioning works. I have seen it and used it in interogations as well as theraputically in both deprogramming and in hypnotherapy in which I am trained and professionally qualified. Read and then talk to professionals in your area. Plus I'm tired and my dyslexia is kicking in..

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RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING - 3/21/2008 8:53:57 AM

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thanks for your thoughts everyone.

i forgot to mention that i have been hypnotized before, so i know i can be "put under". i had it a few years back for dealing with getting rid of past issues, self identity/negative self image issues, forgiving others, etc. also for relaxation, contentment.

she helped me with alot but she did not and did not want to delve into childhood things, past life regression and my need for bondage! go figure!

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RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING - 3/21/2008 10:32:17 AM

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I was a Mistress and found that I was not getting personal satisfaction from the relationships. I was great at getting into the minds of my subs and fulfilling their desires and got enjoyment from that, but it wasn't giving me what I needed.

Keep in mind that being a slave means slightly different things in different relationships. I have since become a slave to my Master and find deep fulfillment in it. He does not micromanage my every move but allows me the freedom to use my own creativity in how I fulfill many of the tasks. (Some would say that this means that I am more of a sub than a slave, but I do it with slavish devotion.)

Sometimes the hardest part is to admit to yourself that you are not happy making all of your own decisions but want someone else to make some of them for you. After all, you are a big, strong and mature man - doesn't that mean you always need to be tough? I am an intelligent, articulate woman, traveling around the world as a private consultant on how to make electronics products more reliable. I am the teacher, could I really need to be taught?

I started listen to Diary of an S & M Romance. The spoken word can be very powerful, and listening to her road to learning that she needed to be submissive was a huge help to me. I can honestly say that it changed my life. I was so afraid that my Daddy would have the same dispassionate feelings about me that I had about my own subs that I felt I would never be completely satisfied, and I couldn't stand the thought of giving so much of myself to someone who didn't care. Hearing about how the relationship can work gave me so much insight and helped me to accept both myself and the fact that my Daddy adored me. Soon afterwards I received my first collar and we are very happy with our journey.

The tapes may help you to come to terms with your inner feelings and could be very valuable from that sense. Perhaps brainwashing is too strong a term unless you are extremely susceptible. What is much more likely is that you will be able to relax and meditate on some of the thoughts. That might be exactly what you need.

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RE: HYPNOSIS AND BRAINWASHING - 3/21/2008 3:16:56 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: HOUDINI1961

thanks for your thoughts everyone.

i forgot to mention that i have been hypnotized before, so i know i can be "put under". i had it a few years back for dealing with getting rid of past issues, self identity/negative self image issues, forgiving others, etc. also for relaxation, contentment.

she helped me with alot but she did not and did not want to delve into childhood things, past life regression and my need for bondage! go figure!

Though I never actually said it in my earlier post, my instincts were telling me that anyone who thinks they need "left field" and "quick fix" solutions just to explore their sexuality is conflicted and has issues and it's they that need to be addressed. This latest onfo seems to reflect that....

While I would agree with IronBear that "hypnosis works and that "brain washing" or conditioning works" etc, I'd qualify that by saying it would only be effective under strict controls of the subject's liberty and choices etc and I seriously doubt that could happen with mere props of audio (or video?) tapes this Dom was offering you.

My style of decision making is direct - I prefer to fix the problem actually confronting me rather than simply looking for an initially easier way around it. Something within the fabric of your own morals, principles and/or life experience is telling you that consensual slavery is wrong; this isn't about hypnosis per se'...! Sounds more about therapy and even though you can presumably talk to therapists about anything, I don't envy anyone trying to start a 'slavery' conversation. Hmmmm, now I see why a "quick fix" was more palatable.... lol Good luck.

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