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lusciouslips19 -> RE: Sexual attraction and D/s (3/21/2008 11:31:25 AM)

I need the whole package but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So first they need incredible intellect.Thats is a big turn on. They also need a great sense of humor and sarcastic wit. Then they have to be attractive. They have to be sexy. What that is,well its that special something that gets me going. I have dated gorgeous men, but they never got me going. They are more attractive when they are a bit quirky. I'm into the sexy nerd.  Not your typical drop dead gorgeous guy but the one with command and charisma that is friendly, intelligent and likable but has a deep command and controlling nature that is only seen after scratching the surface. Oh, romantic too. So yes, I need it all and I could not be involved in D's without the romantic elements. I am a sexual submissive. Sex and craving make me very pliable and willing to submit and longing to submit.




CreativeDominant -> RE: Sexual attraction and D/s (3/21/2008 11:32:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: OmegaG

Steel, I think that saying that looks mean nothing is a bit disingenuous, they may not be your top priority, but I bet that they factor in at some level.

Pretend that the woman in question looks haggard and old yet you find out she's 25, she's missing 3 visible teeth and has cavities in others, she is underfed, has hollows under her eyes, sunken cheeks and a jaundice complection.  She slouches when she walks, her hair is matted and greesey and her clothes are ill fitting and stained.  There is blood around her nail beds where she's bitten her nails and cuticles too far down, an oozind wound on her knee where she feel and didn't take care of it and you begin to suspect that her unmaintained pussy hairs may have crabs.

Now we aren't talking about someone who might have a nose larger then you like, or has a hair color or body type you don't prefer.  Looks not only indicate preference, they indicate health, attitude and self-esteem.  People judge what's going on on the inside by how the outside is presented.  Looks matter.


But Omega...someone who looks like you cite would be someone who cares little about her appearance vs whether or not she is good looking;  it is about someone whose hygiene and whose care for and about self seems to be lacking and that comes from within and has little to do with her outer looks.  The same person...caring about their appearance and their self...might be a very good-looking girl.  Or she might not be.  Looks are not the same as appearance.  I've known ugly people that you could tell had done their very best to take care of themselves...they were clean, their nails were well-maintained, their hair was clean and shiny and bouncy.....................and they were ugly as an old plug horse.  I've known girls who stunk to high heaven, whose breath could melt a glacier on a cold day in hell and whose attitude towards life sucked.  Who do you choose then?  The ugly girl who could be made prettier with some plastic surgery?  Or the pretty girl who could be made better with some deodorant, some mouthwash and months/years of therapy?




Dnomyar -> RE: Sexual attraction and D/s (3/21/2008 11:49:38 AM)

Cali make sure his strong hands are not from jacking off.  Without personality looks don't mean anything. What attracts me to a woman is when they grab my ass when they walk by me.




DesFIP -> RE: Sexual attraction and D/s (3/21/2008 12:02:28 PM)

I think it's rude to say "I'm turning you down because you're unattractive". That is going to hurt and it's unnecessary. A simple no thanks, or there isn't sufficient compatibility sorry, is more than enough.

I wouldn't say you were being not a true sub for needing chemistry, I would say that you needed a refresher course in manners.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: Sexual attraction and D/s (3/21/2008 12:10:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

I think it's rude to say "I'm turning you down because you're unattractive". That is going to hurt and it's unnecessary. A simple no thanks, or there isn't sufficient compatibility sorry, is more than enough.

I wouldn't say you were being not a true sub for needing chemistry, I would say that you needed a refresher course in manners.


That is true but do you have any idea how many men have said, "how so" or "why not". When I have said, I didn't think we are compatible? Too many to count. I don't know what it is about the male ego that would lead him to question me after I said that? I tell them either."do you really wan to know that" or "no, It is not a prerequisite that I tell you my reasons".




petitespitfire64 -> RE: Sexual attraction and D/s (3/21/2008 12:11:08 PM)

Attraction starts, with me, in the mind...but there must also be a chemical attraction. I want the whole package.
As a sub, I do everything possible to keep myself attractive in all ways...bath regularly, dress well, watch my diet, exercise, take my vitamins, brush my teeth, stay updated on current events, read to advance my learning, etc... and I appreciate a  Dominant who is in shape and takes care of himself  inside and out. How can I expect Dominant to take good care of me if he doesn't care enough about HIMSELF to eat right, exercise, etc?
Just my two cents.




Leatherist -> RE: Sexual attraction and D/s (3/21/2008 12:12:11 PM)

Hell, I'm WIERD.

I'll blow off a ten for listing "diapers" as a hard limit. [;)]




Gemini1766 -> RE: Sexual attraction and D/s (3/21/2008 12:12:12 PM)

Lushiouslips, I would ask simply because of my natural curiousity. Sometimes. Doesn't mean I'll attempt to change and try again, I am me, and I am not going to be something else. When I have tried I've been miserable.




bipolarber -> RE: Sexual attraction and D/s (3/21/2008 12:16:56 PM)

It has always been thus:

The beautiful chase the beautiful.
The not so beautiful, they chase the beautiful too.
And the rich? Everyone chases them.




spinninsweetness -> RE: Sexual attraction and D/s (3/21/2008 12:45:01 PM)

I personally wouldnt go for someone too good looking, especially female, even if they approach me as the inner critic is shouting NO its a trap! Need to work on that...

And Ive yet to approach anyone myself online, Im so scared of the rejection!




Xylph -> RE: Sexual attraction and D/s (3/21/2008 1:09:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: colouredin

Ok this is something that always made me wonder. I have often happened across a profile that states 'looks are unimportant' also I have had many a minger (sorry I know thats mean) approach me and when I have said sorry I dont find you attractive have been told that I am not a 'true' sub because I think thats important. I was just pondering how many people think it isnt. I dont mean simply as play partners etc I mean as a long term D/s relationship.

Also it seems to go only one way, it seems that the Dominant has to find the sub attractive but that the sub shouldnt be so concerned with such things. Maybe I am wrong but I was just wondering what others views on this are.



Hi colouredin

I reckon it's what is between people that is important, sexual attraction is right up there with everything else... what's inside their heart and head. If it's not there for both, why bother with it eh? regardless of role... as a sub, if you're not attracted to the one dominating you, it's going to be pretty damn boring for you and it won't be real.

Your opinion always counts & noone ought to be telling you otherwise.




sweetwenchie -> RE: Sexual attraction and D/s (3/21/2008 1:14:29 PM)

For me attraction starts with a mental connection, the stronger the mental connection, the hotter i see them as.  Whether or not someone else would fine them as attractive as i do has absolutely no bearing on me or how i view that person.  

Is attraction important to me, certainly, but what i see as attractive someone else might see in a completely opposite way.




Justme696 -> RE: Sexual attraction and D/s (3/21/2008 1:19:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: spinninsweetness

I personally wouldnt go for someone too good looking, especially female, even if they approach me as the inner critic is shouting NO its a trap! Need to work on that...


yes that is scary indeed. I always think also...what the fuck do you want from me...lol





CarrieO -> RE: Sexual attraction and D/s (3/21/2008 1:22:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

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  It is a visual world and I guess I really shouldn't be surprised. 


exactly.  The appealing visuals are going to vary from person to person.






Yep.....normal is relative.....and so is beauty!




stella41b -> RE: Sexual attraction and D/s (3/21/2008 1:25:48 PM)

Looks to me are unimportant, and to me it has little to do with sexual attraction.

Here I differentiate between looks and appearance. Looks are what you have, they're genetic, what you were born with. Attractive to me is making the best of those looks.

Appearance is subjective, but can be influenced and changed by you. Much of it comes down to attitude and the way you project yourself, carry yourself, and come across to others. I need to be able to look into the eyes and to know that there is life inside the person. There's nothing which puts me off more than the 'dead behind the eyes' expression, the 'vacant possession' sign, that glazed expression as if the person has just emerged from the local taxidermist.

This leads onto another important factor, what that person finds attractive, both in themselves and in others. While I understand that for some people the clothes and the image are very much a part of BDSM what I don't understand is why some Dommes think it's attractive to do themselves up like glamorous transvestites complete with the make up, the ill-fitting clothing, the riding crop held at forty five degrees and the domly expression which makes you wonder whether the photo was taken at gunpoint. Such things as the corset which is three sizes too small and the bulging white flesh which overhangs rather like milk boiling over the side of a pan. But then again I went through a similar stage myself (sans riding crop) and maybe I'm being a bit hypocritical here.

It's all subjective anyway.. I'm not an expert and I'm well short of perfection myself. I've gone through stages where I've resembled someone or something out of a Stephen King novel, but then again I've also had my asshole phases and times when I haven't had as much self-confidence or a proper perspective on who I am as a person, I know I'm never going to win any beauty pageants and have no wish to be seen as a style or fashion guru. This is just my opinion.

I'm not that bothered really whether people see me as attractive or not, as some do and some don't, I much prefer honesty and openness as acceptance is a key issue for me, I'm very much WYSIYWG, what's on the profile matches who I am in reality. I'm open about my being transgendered, it filters out all the idiots from my life, and it's better to share my life with those who accept me as I really am as opposed to who I could be, will be or may be.

Therefore I understand and I can even sense and pick up on someone who also doesn't have a great amount of self-confidence and who has let themselves go. Sometimes you see it on a photo, which is nothing more than an image of someone captured in a split second in their life, you see the smile, the expression, but you also see the tears that they cry inside, the pain, the fear, the sadness, and there's something in the photo that just makes you want to reach out, to be there, just to take them in your arms and hug them. What if...? I know from my own experience just how much energy can come from a new relationship, or how you can bring a change into someone's life just from showing them that little bit of attention and being there for them.

You know sometimes I'm a people watcher. London is an excellent city, as are most cities for watching people. Sometimes there's nothing I like doing more than to go down and walk a walk by the Thames, I have my favourite spots beside various bridges, Chelsea Bridge at night with its lights, Vauxhall Bridge, Lambeth Bridge, on the one side I have the calming, soothing effect of the water, of watching the ripples and waves of the tide coming in or out, and on the other I stand or I sit and I watch people. One of the questions that goes through my mind is 'Just how sexually attractive do you think you are?'

I feel that it's subjective because that's the way it's meant to be. Anything and everything can be beautiful, it all depends on how you look at it. There's nothing to beat the openminded stare of someone in their 20's, that period when looks are still largely unaffected by experience, but let's face it, once you go past 30 the chances of encountering someone with a past and a certain amount of baggage increases. I like my rough edges, it's a part of me, and I like people who don't fight that weathering effect of their lives. Are there no women out there, for example who don't find Joe Cocker attractive? The best female example I can give is Agnieszka Chylinska, a Polish rock singer, six foot tall, Amazonian, strong facial features, who has a singing style not unlike Lemmy of Motorhead.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: Sexual attraction and D/s (3/21/2008 3:12:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Gemini1766

Lushiouslips, I would ask simply because of my natural curiousity. Sometimes. Doesn't mean I'll attempt to change and try again, I am me, and I am not going to be something else. When I have tried I've been miserable.


Asking the question when someone says, "we are not compatible". Well, you're asking for an ego blow. I'm not really looking to stomp on a guys ego. So its best not to ask.




RCdc -> RE: Sexual attraction and D/s (3/21/2008 3:21:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

I think it's rude to say "I'm turning you down because you're unattractive". That is going to hurt and it's unnecessary. A simple no thanks, or there isn't sufficient compatibility sorry, is more than enough.

I wouldn't say you were being not a true sub for needing chemistry, I would say that you needed a refresher course in manners.


I have to agree with luscious on this.  Some men are often quite pushy when you turn them down, at least in my experience and those that are pushy and ask for a reason instead of just accepting 'no thank you' are asking for an ego hit.
 
Besides it is one thing to say to a man who insists for a answer 'Well you are not my type' Or 'I am not attracted to you'  - and it is quite another to say ' Because I find you so ugly, if you threw a boomerang, even that wouldn't want to come back'.
 
the.dark.




colouredin -> RE: Sexual attraction and D/s (3/21/2008 3:23:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark
 Because I find you so ugly, if you threw a boomerang, even that wouldn't want to come back'.

the.dark.


nice I am so stealing this




ownedgirlie -> RE: Sexual attraction and D/s (3/21/2008 3:24:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark
Because I find you so ugly, if you threw a boomerang, even that wouldn't want to come back'.
 
the.dark.

 
OMG!  [sm=biggrin.gif]




lusciouslips19 -> RE: Sexual attraction and D/s (3/21/2008 3:25:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

I think it's rude to say "I'm turning you down because you're unattractive". That is going to hurt and it's unnecessary. A simple no thanks, or there isn't sufficient compatibility sorry, is more than enough.

I wouldn't say you were being not a true sub for needing chemistry, I would say that you needed a refresher course in manners.


I have to agree with luscious on this.  Some men are often quite pushy when you turn them down, at least in my experience and those that are pushy and ask for a reason instead of just accepting 'no thank you' are asking for an ego hit.
 
Besides it is one thing to say to a man who insists for a answer 'Well you are not my type' Or 'I am not attracted to you'  - and it is quite another to say ' Because I find you so ugly, if you threw a boomerang, even that wouldn't want to come back'.
 
the.dark.

 
I usually  think saying,"I dont think you REALLY want to know the answer" is sufficient. I have told them, without having to actually say it. But also it spares them the hit.




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