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Owner4SexSlave -> Passive-Agressive behavior books (3/23/2008 2:31:44 AM)

Many of you are aware that I have been involved in a not so healthy relationship in the real time with a partner that has a drinking problem.  This has been a new first for me, however it's forced me to take a good look at myself as well.

Currently, I am recieving the Passive-Aggressive silent treatment.  A new first for me to experience, deal and cope with.  Still none the less I've had to accept this as a form of Covert Abuse.    I decided to start doing a little reading for my own personal understand in how to deal with Passive-Agressive behavior.

Now for the kicker, after doing the reading I have on the subject.  I myself have had to face the ugly truth that I myself have some problems with being Passive-Aggressive.   I've had to come to terms that this is simply a learned behavior often developed in response to overcontroling parents during childhood.

Knowing my own past, and some of the past of the Girl I have been involved with.   I can honestly see where we have been a somewhat toxic combination.  

I know none of my own problems, by any means diminishes her drinking problems, anger issues and her own set of Passive agressive behaviors.

Now, I'm really interested in exploring Passive-Aggressive behavior more.   In short, I'm looking for any good self help books or books on dealing with this.   Not only as one who is being Passive-Aggressive, but in how to cope with dealing with passive-aggressive behavior.

In short resources, that can empower somebody to deal with passive-aggressive behavior as well as understanding and dealing with ones own passive-aggressive behaviors.

I'm open to any Books suggestion, websites and other resources.   

I don't consider myself to be extremely passive-aggressive.   I basically want to become more armed in how to deal with others passive aggressive behaviors as well as be more on top of my own tendancies for it. 

Thank you.




TreasureKY -> RE: Passive-Agressive behavior books (3/23/2008 5:51:36 AM)

A simple Google search for "coping with passive-aggressive behavior" will yield a plethora of information.  Good luck!  [;)]




DesFIP -> RE: Passive-Agressive behavior books (3/23/2008 9:35:41 AM)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dealing+with+passive+aggressive+behavior




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Passive-Agressive behavior books (3/23/2008 9:35:49 AM)

While I don't have any books to recommend, I'll just point out that it's impossible to be passive aggressive if you're actually being honest and directly open.  Your difficulty will be not rising to her "bait" and responding in kind.




ThinkingKitten -> RE: Passive-Agressive behavior books (3/23/2008 9:40:19 AM)

An interesting question - how to cope with someone's else's PA behaviour, when it's your own MO. Being of English birth, we (the English) tend to excel at PA reactions when confronted, through the use of sarcasm etc. I honestly don't know how I would cope with someone else using the same method - and potentially out-PA'ing me. It's SOOOO easy to completely take the wind out of someone else's sails when they are being genuinely aggressive (and so much fun to wind them up completely - and then stand back and watch them explode).

I think what I tend to do is  avoid confrontation/sensitive topics altogether -  because I can't stand confrontation or argument, but if faced with like behaviour I think it would make me even more inclined to walk away from the situation, even though chances are it accomplishes nothing. Be interesting to see what other responses you get.

Edited to make a bit more sense... I hope.




daddyncherry -> RE: Passive-Agressive behavior books (3/23/2008 9:50:19 AM)

PA is such a sneaky little fker, it took me a loooong time to pin point it in one of my closest famly members, and once i did, it made me more aware that i had learned those things directly from that family member.......i can see the PA behavior in her, and if i do something alike i can put the breaks on it, or i can call her on the carpet for it but....if it is a behavior that i am not reconizing, then it's more difficult for me to see it in myself...........i was just accused a couple weeks ago by my Daddy of being passive agressive, and although i have caught myself in the past being that way out of frustration, i was totally unaware that i was doing it when he mentioned it.

i have no info to give as far as books or sites, but am very interested in seeing what anyone else may come up with and looking further into this on my own as well. (thanks for the food for thought )




daddyncherry -> RE: Passive-Agressive behavior books (3/23/2008 10:08:43 AM)

i clicked the google link that Celeste posted and found this link


One of the links, the Passive Agressive Pattern is a really good one.

One thing i noticed quickly is that Assertiveness Training courses seem to be a method to dealing with/overcoming this....so that's a thought....i checked my area under Assertiveness Training and found something close by, so maybe you can try something like that in your area and see what you come up with.





SimplyMichael -> RE: Passive-Agressive behavior books (3/23/2008 10:35:42 AM)

Owner,

Thanks for an open and honest post, something that I cherish CM for, it is one of the few places one sees such vulnerability.

As for being passive aggressive, I guess somebody has to have faults!

All kidding aside, that used to my pattern to a T combined with a dash of emotional abuse and it at times worked for controlling a partner and getting them to do what I wanted.  Till they got sick of it and blew up at me or I blew up at them or we blew up at each other or we broke up or she left or I left or whatever other stupid ass shit we did.

As someone mentioned, clarity is the key.  Being clear about what you want, how you want it, and when you want it and then allowing your partner to do the same in return then, like adults, discussing the best way to balance all of that.  No guessing, no wondering, no hidden agendas, and blessedly, no bullshit.

It sounds easy and but it isn't till you get it.  Took me about six months with a kick as therapist and a wonderful partner.  I wasn't cured but I was fundamentally different after that.   Before, I could ask for anal sex but I couldn't ask to get held or for affection.  So I would hint, hope, or in some other passive way, try and get my needs met all the while frustration and resentment building till I blew up. 

One of the things I am teaching BSB is about being vulnerable with each other.  Allowing us to tell each other the sort of things that are hard to tell each other.  She is doing a fine job and even teaching me a few things.  That ability to know the other will hear what we have to say and keep us safe emotionally is just fucking magic, it is as close to bliss as I have yet experienced. 

Good luck, as for books, I don't know of any.  For me it was finding the RIGHT therapist, one who's style resonated with me and allowed me to be comfortable with him. 




BossyShoeBitch -> RE: Passive-Agressive behavior books (3/24/2008 9:38:27 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Owner,

Thanks for an open and honest post, something that I cherish CM for, it is one of the few places one sees such vulnerability.

As for being passive aggressive, I guess somebody has to have faults!

All kidding aside, that used to my pattern to a T combined with a dash of emotional abuse and it at times worked for controlling a partner and getting them to do what I wanted.  Till they got sick of it and blew up at me or I blew up at them or we blew up at each other or we broke up or she left or I left or whatever other stupid ass shit we did.

As someone mentioned, clarity is the key.  Being clear about what you want, how you want it, and when you want it and then allowing your partner to do the same in return then, like adults, discussing the best way to balance all of that.  No guessing, no wondering, no hidden agendas, and blessedly, no bullshit.

It sounds easy and but it isn't till you get it.  Took me about six months with a kick as therapist and a wonderful partner.  I wasn't cured but I was fundamentally different after that.   Before, I could ask for anal sex but I couldn't ask to get held or for affection.  So I would hint, hope, or in some other passive way, try and get my needs met all the while frustration and resentment building till I blew up. 

One of the things I am teaching BSB is about being vulnerable with each other.  Allowing us to tell each other the sort of things that are hard to tell each other.  She is doing a fine job and even teaching me a few things.  That ability to know the other will hear what we have to say and keep us safe emotionally is just fucking magic, it is as close to bliss as I have yet experienced. 

Good luck, as for books, I don't know of any.  For me it was finding the RIGHT therapist, one who's style resonated with me and allowed me to be comfortable with him. 

About 12 or so years ago, stuck in a marriage to someone I didn't love (and didn't even really like),  I intentionally caused myself to become addicted to xanax in an effort to try and get my husband to leave me.  I made us both even more unhappy than we had been previously, but he didn't leave. 
I did this all because I didn't want to hurt his feelings by telling him I didn't want to be married to him. Because I didn't have the guts to be blunt and honest with him.
To be fair, neither of us have been good at being able to hear difficult statements from the other without becoming defensive and resentful and to this day we still have a very passive-aggressive type relationship with each other. (Our divorce will be final in a few months).

Today, there are things about myself that I share with Michael that I have never, (and I mean NEVER) had the guts to share with anyone else.  I am not talking about dark sexual fantasies or the like.  I mean things about the inner workings of my mind that I have always been ashamed of.  Bad, mean, ugly things that I have done in past relationships.  Admissions of manipulations and incredibly passive-aggresive actions towards those in my life, whether family, friend, or partner. I share these things with him because He has created a safe place for me, emotionally, to be able to tell him.  He doesn't judge or tell me, "you should have done this or why didn't you do that?" He listens.  We talk. He makes it safe for me.

I can tell him...Wait, scratch that... He has ordered me to tell him, at any given moment, when something he has said or done has bothered me or hurt me emotionally in some way (very few and far between mind you). He has also ordered me to tell him when something is really important to me.  But I am to tell him AT THAT MOMENT.  I am not allowed to push the  feelings down.

I said to Him, "But what if you are continuing to do something that really upsets me or ignoring something that I have told you is really, really important to me and I have to tell you over and over again.  I don't want to feel like a nag.  What do I do then"

"You re-evaluate the relationship."

Well, that statement hit me like a ton of bricks.  It couldn't be that simple, could it?

YEP.



In each and every instance of having to confront Michael with something I found unpleasant, I found not defensiveness or excuses but understanding and love.
Every time I have had to admit to Michael something I had done even if it was something I knew would make him angry, there is understanding.  There is still discussion and consequences, but from a rational and loving place.  I don't have to resort to passive aggressive behavior to get my needs met.  Today I can simply say, "Michael, can we talk about something that's important to me?"  Without fail, no matter where he is or what he is doing... at that moment I have His 100% undivided attention.






LaTigresse -> RE: Passive-Agressive behavior books (3/24/2008 9:44:45 AM)

And that is AWSOME!




SimplyMichael -> RE: Passive-Agressive behavior books (3/24/2008 11:06:20 AM)

Woman, you made me cry with that.  WOW!

I love you,

Michael




Poetryinpain -> RE: Passive-Agressive behavior books (3/24/2008 11:19:17 AM)

Many years ago I read a book that really set me straight about passive-aggressive behavior. I still remember much of what was in that book, even though I cannot remember the name of the author. I looked it up a while back to give information to someone else, but I've forgotten the author's name yet again. But the book is When I Say No I Feel Guilty.

This book not only shows what P-A behavior looks like, it shows you how to avoid it in yourself and deal with it in others. It helped me to become a more assertive person in both my personal and professional lives. I highly recommend it, and I know from my recent search that it is still available.




BossyShoeBitch -> RE: Passive-Agressive behavior books (3/24/2008 1:17:03 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Woman, you made me cry with that.  WOW!

I love you,

Michael

I love you too.  I meant every word..

That's why I have a hard time believing that the jerk you tell me you used to be, and the wonderful man you are now, are both the same guy.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Passive-Agressive behavior books (3/24/2008 5:44:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BossyShoeBitch
That's why I have a hard time believing that the jerk you tell me you used to be, and the wonderful man you are now, are both the same guy.

LOL I believe it!




KMsAngel -> RE: Passive-Agressive behavior books (3/26/2008 6:34:10 AM)

aw, LA, i was having a vicarious romantic moment there and you had to go and inject reality!

[:(]




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