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Gambling - 3/23/2008 2:57:20 AM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		I am so sick of this political, racial, ecomonic and sociological shit I think we need to digress. I am not saying I do not want to talk about it, but I just don't want to talk about it right now.

Many people gamble. For most it is a diversion, for some unfortuntely it is an obsession. If you don't have good self control, do not gamble. But if you do you should gamble smart.

I am bored almost, and I enjoy the compny here so I am going to give you some tips. These are figured out mathematically and in a few other ways. These tips can make you a winner, but only if you are lucky.

Understand this, at a table with a poker game going, theoretically your chance of winning is as good as any of them. But when you think it is luck that makes them win over and over, that is your fatal fallacy. If you all came to the table with equal skill and equal resources indeed luck would play a major part in the outcome, but usually this is not the case.

Before I can help with that though there are a few other points that need to be covered. The very first and forwemost of which is that the house always has an edge. Even if they let the game go on unadulteratrated, they just take a cut out of each pot. Now when this is a licensed business this is legally defined as gambling. It is regulated and controlled. This is in your favor.The very very best you could do is to get on even terms with the house in other games.

That doesn't mean don't do it. And you will never get to even terms, but you can get close.

First of all if you have any notions of playing poker, bring money. If you want to win you need something to lose. Do not bring the rent money, and know when to quit.

Now it's brains 101, if you hit high get out. If it is a machine you move on to another machine. You see successful gambling is not all done at one table. Once you hit the big one you change machines, tables, maybe even casinos. You got to know when to holdem, know when to foldem. One way I know how to make money is in jacks or better, nothing wild. But those games tend to be higher stakes than most want to play.

Before you poo poo me on this let me pose this, say a million people go to a certain area, or a casino, or whatever on a given time span, a day, a week whatwever. I don't care if it is 145.7 hours, it does not matter. Out of that million people say 900,000 of them lose money.

What about the rest ?

Now let's start small, if course you start at the slots near the entrance, and if you hit, you move on. You can go deeper into the casino and play something else, or actually take the money and run. Whatever you do, you KNOW to quit that machine. It is not a Karma thing nor anything wishy washy like that, it is simple math.

The very first thing to learn is to never give them back al the money you won. If you can't grasp that, do not gamble. There is ALOT more.

With slots you cannot effect any control of the outcome, it is totally random. There is nothing you can do at all. A step in the direction of being able to use any skill at all would be a poker machine.

These are electronic machines that when you put the money in will deal you a hand, as if in draw poker. I have worked on and studied these a bit, and talked to people in the know about them. These are legal for trade machines, real gambling, and the software is way better than the software in the voting machines. There is an auditing mechanism in it, which keeps track of every penny.

The odds at a given casino must be made public, and when people play poker machines they make a mistake often. The payoffs have been adjusted and the commision OKs the program in the poker machine. The overall odds of winning are good if you play it right, but dismal of you don't. The house's edge is in a certain place, and I am going to tell you where it is right now.

Enough times it happens that the player will see a pair come up and of course keep it trying to get three of a kind of more, or another pair. But they overlook one thing, if they have four cards of one suit, they will throw it out in favor of the pair. This is an incorrect decision.

If you have a pair there are two cards in the deck that will give you three of a kind. That is two in forty-seven. A flush pays alot more than three of a kind but what people fail to realize is that in a game like that, the odds are nine in forty-seven that you get the card you need. My analysis of this on past machines which I have worked on is pretty clear. They are legal for trade, but they are allowed to make money. Therefore the payoff rates have been adjusted to make the most money, while staying legal. That is another reason you always go for the flush in that game.

The most important thing is to bring enough money in any case. You have of course seen some comedy where a guy dumps his life savings into a slot and leaves for a minute to get change or something and somebody else gets all their money. Well not all.

Wanna play craps ? Here is how you do it, and like everything in a casino, DO NOT run out of money. On craps, don't even play, just do sideline bets. Start with the minimum bet, as you will have to increment it as you lose. You see after a time you increase the bet, that way when you hit you get your monet back. Start as low as you can, fifty cents or a buck on the longest of longshots. After you lose a hundred or two, double the bets, as long as you don't win, stick with it. Bet on snake eyes, hard eights, and any other double that might suit your fancy. Ther odds boil own to six in six in six. But look what it pays.

Your only problem is having enough money to stay in the game until it happens for you. I must stress this, if you can't afford to lose, do not do it. I am taling about making one dollar bets when you have ten grand in your pocket. Just because you have the money doesn't mean you bet big, that is stupid and you won't have that maney for long. The money in reserve is not to get into a bigger game, it is to stay in the game at all, until you hit.

Understand this, these casino people are experts at taking your money, they have the edge and they know how to use it. But by competent gambling you can take away a good piece of that edge. Really, part of their edge is that they know what they are doing and you do not.

Jacks or better poker, nothing wild. When you hear a guy wants to play that, watch out. That is the game of choice for many real gamblers.

You can find the odds of the poker hands all over the place, I do not need to express them now. Easy to get. But this is for CM folk.

Assuming you know how to play, there are some finer points. First of all you almost always either make the maximum bet, or don't. Anything in between gives them a clue as to what you have. You can make an exception sometimes, if you get dealt four of a kind for example. You make a small bet, let them kick it up. When you bet small and take one card, they might think you are drawing to a straight. They do not know you have four orf a kind and the outcome of the draw means nothing. They could all think you have two pair. That would be nice because they will bet, and bet. Another ploy that works in jacks or better is when you open, because you are dealt three of a kind, but then at the draw you only take one card. Others think you might only have two pair.

The idea is to get others to bet. You do not want anyone to fold, but they are watching you and the only thing you can do is give them as little information as possible, and use the pokerface of course. Another thing in jacks or better, be cognizant of you position in relation to the dealer. If you open or check first, and there are six other people at the table, and you just have  bare pair of jacks, you don't open. One of those other people will open. Opening tips their hand, and usually precludes any straights or flushes unless it is a pat hand. The situation is different if you are to the right of the dealer and nobody opened. Then it becomes real gambling, you open it and then we see what everybody gets. (unless they fold)

You go to the track and play your trifectas ? Were you are a _______ who hasn't thought it out. I know people who play them all the time, just picking numbers. Terrible gamblers. Got money, but lose a bunch of it every time.

When the races are on at Northfield in Cleveland there is a race every nineteen minuts. You can post a bet almost up to start time, perhap a minute before. During that time you watch the board, and you bet on longshots on which the odds are fakllng. Yes falling. You see when you do that you are following the big money.

The best way to bet is to pick a favorite or teo, and two longshots. You bet them across the board, around here that costs $24. But the bets are not intwertwined. If you bet 1, 3, 6, 12 and 1, 2 6, and twelve come in, you won. Not so with a tricecta. I KNIOW IT IS FOUR BETS, don't rag me on that. I am trying to say that they do not all have to come in.

Do you understand what I am saying ? Four horses across the board and onlt three can wan, place or show. You know from the start that one of your bets is a loser. That is called hedging, and I figured out that it was a good idea MATHEMATICALLY.

I could call it in, do it at random, and do way better than anyone betting trifectas.

That was the day I really taught my teacher. That was after I shove it up where the sun don't shine in a game of seven card stud. I showed him, I took advantage of his lack of confidence in me, in a game of seven card stud. He had a full house with three of a kind showing, or something like that, maybe two pair. But I had nothing showing but that three o'kind and some junk.

MUAHAHAHAHAHA that three came in handy, he thought I was drunk or something, but he fucked up when it comes to seven card stud. He did not look around the table for other threes, sixes or nines, and I can guarantee you he would not have seen any threes. You see, I had them all :-)

My three hole cards were all threes. Four of a kind, and he had a really strong full house, but oh well.

That is OK, there have been plenty of times I brought a hundred bucks and barely had five bucks for gas on the way home.

Payback is, well payback this way is like a diploma.

I was taught by James E Watt, he was a racist homophobe and had no kink in him whatsoever. But he knew how to gamble and he taught me and now I told you some of it. If he was alive he would not like this. He would tell me "What are you crazy ? Telling everybody this ?". But he is dead now and this is CM. And I do what I want.

I think it would be worse to let the knowledge die. Sorry Jim, I am the alive one here.

He was a hard Man, and I suppose thus good to find. Setting other issues aside we got along. He was not all that bad.

He may have been the last one, so I conduct this knowledge to you. If you already know it all, OK, af you need more details, use the reply button. I want this out here.

We did not agree on everything, but I will say this, if you get around people older than you who speak candidly and are honest, listen to them.

It might be your last chance.

T
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RE: Gambling - 3/23/2008 5:00:03 AM   
pahunkboy


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Apply this to ebay, or my buying of seeds, bulbs -planning my yard.

What strategy to get the most bang for the dollar.

Put another way- in termsof budgeting why do Ispend time on a quarter when other  items are in the dollars.

Today- I won $1 per the lottery. In fact, I won so much -since I dont play  it.

Busses had this deal.  SOmething like $15to go toAtlantic City,  they gve you $10 in quarters.  Being that I like the sand and ocean,  it had been a good deal  to have a way down there- not bother with traffic or parking.


I have known 2 people that have gambling problem.

1 I lived with for 7 years. 

Another put out a contract on my bro- she later had teh mob after her for jagging the casino out of 10k.


Either way-  the house always wins.

But everything in life is a gamble.

Suppose a ticket costs  $80.But the remedy is$500.   One can get 6 tickets and it still is cheaper
then the remedy.  [not counting auto insurance]

Insurance is gambing.

Again the house always wins.

It is known as the spread, which brings me to Wall street.   These   brokerages....they have stepped  in to where the goverment COULD be collecting a tax.   Mutual fund fees have quietly gone up to 2% + 3%.  check your fine print.
Lets examing even 1/2 %.  1/2 of everybodies  on CMs money.   Think.  5000 ppl.  each with 20k in value.  thats 100,000, x  1/2 %.....
the profit is the spread.


Everything is gambing. Tryin to use a coupon for a box of cereal...well, buy 3 boxes, 14.5 oz or higher before yedsrdeay and    fit and fat free yoddle cream, 2 of them, stand on your head and twiril.
next examine a cell phone contract.

are you twirling yet?

you will be. Cause it is all about the spread,and whos hand is in your pocket,   while you twiril and dizzy the dazzing life.

Not happy?  im sure 40 minutes phone voice menu- call center, India,  will --- solifify  the spread.


so assume the posistion, and SPREAD em!    you are about to be  boned!    a gamble indeed.

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RE: Gambling - 3/23/2008 12:38:31 PM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		Hunky, as usual you are a bit cryptic, but I think I gat your point, that there is gambling in other areas of life. Agreed 122.54%.

Thing is, these methods work. And no you can never negate the house edge totally, it is all about minimizing it to give yourself a chance.

If you do everything I said you will no doubt lose less. Don't think you are going to win, but the thing is, when your day comes and you do win, the idea is to win more and to have lost less. If you "play your cards right" the scales could tip and you could come out ahead. Could, not will. Never gamble the rent,don't bet the farm on anything, that is a matter of self control.

There is one central concept to all I said, play games in which you have some control. And that applies to life as well. I insure my house, and I do not smoke in bed. I drove for about six years illegally, when they caught me I paid. I bought some old silverware because I think silver is going to go up.

Many things are a gamble in life and I think one will do alot better calculating the odds instead of playing on hunches or gut feelings, and the latter is what most people who have a gambling problem do.

There is a flipside to this though, it takes all the fun out of it. There is alot more to it than I could ever alliterate here and now.

For example I can't stand TV for the most part, except for Millionaire and Jeopardy.

Now on Millionaire, once you hit a thousand you can't lose it, so the $2,000 question is pretty much a freebie. But if you get it right it is then you go for $4,000. Understand at that point you are betting $3,000 on it. Guessing is not all that good an idea then. Then when you hit $25,000 you can't lose it, so the $50,000 question is a freebie, but if you make it there then you get the $100,000 question. That is a $75,000 bet. Think carefully.

Then think of Jeopardy, the thing about that is only the winner gets the money. You could have one dollar less than the other guy and you get nothing. Look at how they wager in final jeopardy. It is calculated based on the subject, but the question has not been given. You have to figure alot, based on what the other players have and what being correct, as well as incorrect, will do to your score. I don't care if you got $25,000, if someone else has $25,001 you get nothing.

The first rule of gambling is that you can't expect to win if you aren't prepared to lose.

It is not always the house edge that gets you. I have been in backroom poker games and I know that poker is a game of skill. Everybody watches each other for cheating, and they have guns. You don't cheat. Thing is you'll notice a couple of people always seem to come out ahead. That is skill.

Further on poker, I love the game, almost as much as pinochle. Pot odds vs real odds. At each and every bet you have to have an idea of what is in the pot, vs the current bet, nothing else, and this is in relation to the strength of your hand. If someone bets a hundred when the pot is only the ante, it is time for careful consideration. But if someone bets a dollar and there is a hundred in the pot, you might be more daring. It is all mathematics.

Like I said it takes all the fun out of it.

In any case the lottery is a sucker bet. Look at the odds vs the payoff. Simple math. In a perfectly fair game, if you hit the three digit number you should get $1,000, the four digit should get you $10,000. Plain and simple.So what do you get ? Figure that out and you see why I do not play the lottery. A reasonable house edge is OK, but this is ridiculous.

And that's another thing Jim taught me, you are going to win sometimes, but look what it pays. They are not in business to lose money. But then the lottery is something you have no control over.

Gambling problems, like drug problems are not always apparent. You have to look for them sometimes. When you see someone in the store dragging three kids in tow, using a food card to buy bologna, white bread and some wierd blue juice in a gallon jug, and then walk to the lottery counter and lay down a twenty for today's bets, there is a problem.

Anybody who gambles wants to win, and ironically those who get hooked on it are frequently the most ill prepared to play the game. I would almost go so far as to say anyone who plays the lottery has a problem. It's a sucker bet, plain and simple. But if you make a thousand a week and blow a ten on lottery every week, in perspective it is OK, but if you are on welfare and are having financial difficulty, the last thing you should do is play the lottery.

There is also the fact, which makes little sense, that those who win frequently don't need it. Perhaps they played alot more numbers, or maybe the game is rigged. I tell you this, Cuyahoga county is one of the most populated in this state and yet a surprisingly small percentage of people win in this county for some reason.

I am not saying the game is rigged, but there are two things that point to that. For one, out of their own mouths "These results are certified by _______", but certified to be what ? They never said random. People take that for granted, and I just do not believe it is random. But you see they did not lie.

Years ago, watching the drawing on TV I saw something interesting. I am a video technician and quite perceptive. If a TV has a picture at all I can localize the diagnosis in seconds. Well watching my beloved, honest, true blue American government of the great state of Ohio draw the numbers for the day the videotape fucked up.

I swear this, I saw the first number picked, and all the sudden it froze and got lines in it. That was a two inch video tape fucking up. I saw this with my own eyes and I would give my left nut to have it on VHS. I know what the fuck I am doing and if I had a tape of it I could point out to you how I can tell.

Of course everybody assumes the drawing is live, but I KNOW it is not. That means somebody knows the winning numbers before the results are released. And let me tellya, really, they have NEVER said anything to the contrary. And they NEVER said the results were random. Add it up.

I will never forget that day, and the first number drawn was NOT the first number in the official result. So the number is whatever they say it is, and they never said that they do not decide the number.

Remember this, for example if you ever wonder if a product in a store has a certain feature, if it is not mentioned it does not have it. Like a CD player, if it plays MP3s it says so, if not do not count on it. Well they never said the lottery was truly random, in fact they never said it was random at all.

Think about the ramifications of this, and I got more.

Before state lotteries were in vogue the bookies used to run numbers. In 1976 in New York the bookies almost went broke becuse everybody played 976. Now that number was truly random, it was the last three digits of the stock trading volume for that day, but it hit. They had no control over the number and got burnt really bad.

A state lottery cannot let this happen, and by virtue of computers they can stop it, wouldn't you ? I would.

I have morals, but don't ever get the idea I am a warm fuzzy wuzzy type, I play to win. If I ran the lottery I would not let myself open to such a loss. Why would they ?

Gamble, by all means, but the lottery is throwing your money away. They say they use it for education, you see anybody educated ? Sometimes I think what they meant is they bought a nice printer to print diplomas.

You have to see past it, these people want your money. They will do or say anything to get your money. In a poker game they will stop just short of cheating, because of that gun in your pocket. But any enticement to bet, any deception, anything that will mislead you into betting when you shouldn't, or folding when you should stay in, is acceptable in poker. The cards do the real talking. Other than working within the framework of the rules, you have a free hand. You do whatever you can to win. Just don't cheat, the other people have guns too. Never cheat.

And I'll tell you this, I have a passion for the game and would not cheat for that reason, not just fear of getting killed. I love gambling. In fact I would like to come into alot of money and do alot of it. But that, as they sometimes say, is not in the cards.

If you are shitty at math, don't play. Every time the bet comes to you, there is a calculation. For example there is about $300 in the pot, the bet is ten bucks, you have three aces. Two guys took three cards, that guy opened but he only took two cards. It is possible he has three of a kind, but I have three aces. He only took two, so what are the chances of him having a straight flush or four of a kind ? Lessee, $300 in the pot and ten bucks to stay in, what do you do ? You don't pray, count your lucky stars or anything like that. You figure it out mathematically.

If you go on hunches, or try your luck, you are almost sure to lose, and if you win then you "feel lucky" and that can actually start a cycle of addiction. I see that as a loss of control, like a drug addict.

For someone who lacks the control, and just plays say for the first time, the worst thing that can happen to them is that they win. Like a drug addict, they always want to recreate that first good experience and they will stop at nothing to do so. The casino can get a duplicate deed for their house for them to sign over, no problem. It is a bit harder than it used to be, and with the advent of credit cards is not really necessary.

You need to swin with sharks and manage not to get eaten. Luck will not do this for you, only skill. Skill is what made them sharks in the first place. Always remember that.

Jim Watt was an old stout Scotchman, a militia type, and totally devoid of any respect for legal matters. He had a real slot machine and a real poker machine that had not been rechipped in his livingroom. He was a friend, and opened up to me, and he does not do that. We had alot of other activities which are not the subject of this post. He was a good true friend, but when we sat down at the poker table, we might as well have never met. That is the way it is. Even your best friend is an adversary once you take a seat at the table.

Oh, about the rechipped issue with poker machines, hah. They do sell them you know, but when it is done legally they are rechipped and the odds are perfectly even, the edge is gone. When you get one that is not rechipped you can and will make money off of it, because of the edge. Once rechipped it is worthless. You need connections to get one with the original chipset.

Once I saw him go into the bedroom and come out with a thousand dollars in cash to pay off a royal flush. The machine says "Call Attendant". He attended. I asked him "doesn't that hurt ?", and he replied "Nope, this isn't the first time, and she is going to put all that money back in".

And that my friends is the crux of the matter, knowing when to walk away. If you always gamble until you are out of money, you always lose. You can ask me who said that, and I will tell you right now, I said that. It is irrefutable.

Any game you play, once you hit good you move on. If you can't do that you should not gamble, just like some people should not drink or do coke or whatever.

There are no feelings involved, except perhaps the enjoyment of the game. The contest, the contest between minds is the best,  and a machine can't give you that.

T

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RE: Gambling - 3/23/2008 7:59:54 PM   
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RE: Gambling - 3/23/2008 9:45:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

Can we talk about blackjack now?


Sure. Take all the money you saved by not playing, and go out and treat yourself.

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RE: Gambling - 3/23/2008 9:54:21 PM   
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but i like to gamble..i can bet on local sports games legally with our local gov't lottery called proline.  my average ticket is only a whole $2 cost.  but i can win quite a bit anywhere from $50-$1000  depending on the odds they give per outcome.  you need 3 out of 3 outcomes in order to win.  or 4 of 4 5 of 5 6 of 6.

i bet on hockey...because i can always bet on our local team and watch it on tv.
so for me its pure entertainment.  but i have been addicted to casino's at one time in my life...that was about 13 yrs ago.  been there done that...

casino's are pointless.  you never make money in the long run.  you always think you will get it back but thats what is called "chasing".  you cant beat a machine.  they are rigged with low % of payout and there is no way to tell when it will pay out.

all table games the house makes profit.  although you can last much longer on the table than the machine.  i liked let it ride on the table..and pick em poker on the machine...in halifax they have ace fever on the machine..never seen it anywhere else.


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RE: Gambling - 3/23/2008 10:10:25 PM   
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Can we talk about blackjack now?


Dealer has to bet at 16.  Assume the face down card is a 10.  So if the dealer is showing a 2 through 6, don't hit.  You're betting on the dealer to bust.

I never buy insurance.

I'll split Aces and low pairs.  I never split 5's.

Depending on my mood, I'll double down if I have a 9 or a 10 showing, assuming the dealer isn't showing a 10 or Ace.

Don't drink a lot.  There's a reason you get free booze.  It loosens you up and you're more willing to take risks and bet higher when you shouldn't. If you joke around with the dealer, the dealer is more apt to give you tips. When I get winning tips and I'm up, I tip the dealer.

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RE: Gambling - 3/23/2008 10:16:44 PM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		The problem with blackjack is there is not alot of usetr input, you either hit or stand. There are only limited things you can do to enhance your odds.

Now the card counters are almost gone, there may be a few but not many. Cardcounters are the only people who can really beat a blackjack game. But if you enjoy the game fine, I'll tell you what I would do.

Always watch the board. If you play in a private venue it is probably a single deck game. You know what you got, use the info you can glean by seeing what others have. In single deck with alot of people this is easy, that's why the games at the casinos are multiple deck. That also allows them to let more people into each hand of course, but the cardcounters were really killing them. A good cardcounter almost sees the deck of cards in his head, almost.

See like in single deck, say there a bunch of people in, and you have seen alot of low cards. You must remember this. The only choice in the game is to hit or stand, so the only way to improvwe your odds is to make a better decision on which to do. What a cardcounter would do is to watch the low cards,five and under, and the face cards. He is not all that concerned with aces actually. If you see alot of face cards go by and you have 14, what do you do ? If you saw alot of low cards go by what do you do ? It is not all that hard to figure out.

There are four of every number in a single deck, but there are sixteen tens. In a single deck game you can watch them and it can help. But casinos use multiple decks.

So basically all you can do is the same thing. There are only two actions in the game, so all you need is better info on whether or not you will get a card that is helpful. But this does apply as well to a game running thirty decks as well as game using one. There are still the same number of cards of each denomination, so it really does not matter.

So cardcounters can actually operate still, and they know it. With the multideck games they are not as effective, but I said NOT AS. The premises on which they operated in the past still apply. And that is all you can do, watch what cards show up, especially in the hands right before the reshuffle. You need,like I said before, enough money to stay in the game long enough. This is very true in blackjack.

And, one word to the wise, I hope this helps you win millions, but I must warn you of one thing. Casinos are very much on the lookout for cardcounters.Do what you can do with your mind and memory, don't ever write anything down, don't even put peanuts in your pocket. I am telling you, if you decide to count cards, do it in your head, that is THE ONLY place they cannot see. When you are in a casino you are not just under surveilance, you are under scrutiny, constantly.

If you start winning you will be watched even more closely, believe me. Cheating is a crime, and if there is legal gambling they have laws, cardcountig is not, but you can be banned. They reserve the right to refuse to serve anyone. In the old days they would fax pictures of discovered cardcounters to each other, now they have the internet.

For the requisite memory etc., to pull this off you need to train yourself. Think of those face cards and tens like dirty laundry or something.Anything. Gallons of gas, I don't know, you pick.

Mathematically speaking you can't follow all the other cards, the number cards. But tens are the same as face cards, and if you watch them, the other cards are not from one to ten, they are only from one to nine. In blackjack if you hit and get a low card, maybe not even make 21, but come closer, that is good. If you catch a ten you are busted, if indeed you had 14 you would need a seven. An eight or nine will bust you.

But when you have kept an eye on the ten cards and see they have been played, now you are dealing with the odds between one and nine. If indeed you do not draw a ten card you have a two in nine chance of going bust. But remember this is after the chance of getting a ten card. You are just as bust then.

So that is the only thing you can do other than know how to play it. Don't ever try to make marks, move ashtrays, nothing. Always remember they can see everything in that casino except for what is in your mind. And if you start winning they will start paying attention.

T

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RE: Gambling - 3/23/2008 10:56:47 PM   
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Can we talk about blackjack now?


Dealer has to bet at 16.  Assume the face down card is a 10.  So if the dealer is showing a 2 through 6, don't hit.  You're betting on the dealer to bust.

I never buy insurance.

I'll split Aces and low pairs.  I never split 5's.

Depending on my mood, I'll double down if I have a 9 or a 10 showing, assuming the dealer isn't showing a 10 or Ace.

Don't drink a lot.  There's a reason you get free booze.  It loosens you up and you're more willing to take risks and bet higher when you shouldn't. If you joke around with the dealer, the dealer is more apt to give you tips. When I get winning tips and I'm up, I tip the dealer.


Sounds fairly close to My game, but I only split Aces and eights!  Also, check out the odds on doubling down on soft hands.  Depends on what the dealer is showing, but it can be a good bet also.
Being pleasant and tipping the dealer or betting for the dealer is good also.  I do get the wink and the show at times!
I live about 2 miles from a casino.  But I never go.  Guess I don't have a gambling problem.  I spend more time gambling when I am with My mother in another state.  She always has to get to the casino.  Thanks Goddess she doesn't drive. She is at our mercy to get there.  She would be bad news and would gamble away the grocery money! 
I just enjoy it for the pure entertainment value of the game.
Oh yeah...always double down on 11!  Unless I am out of chips, of course! 

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RE: Gambling - 3/23/2008 11:41:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I won't touch the lottos, poker machines, or slot machines... as I just never had any interest.

I absolutely suck at the horse races, blackjack, and craps... and refuse to play anymore.

I'm mediocre at poker, and will play in small-stakes (dollar ante) private games, or small buy-ins for Texas Holdem (private games, not tournaments).

I've had pretty good luck betting against local sport teams in private wagers.

I've had uncanny luck at roulette using two different systems (52-1, and 11-0) and will play at most opportunities. (And no, the mathematics don't support my systems. I've just been incredibly lucky. So there's no point in sharing my systems.)     

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RE: Gambling - 3/23/2008 11:45:32 PM   
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RE: Gambling - 3/24/2008 12:09:32 AM   
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Think that about sums it up.

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RE: Gambling - 3/24/2008 12:12:50 AM   
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Oh yeah...always double down on 11!  Unless I am out of chips, of course! 


LOL I can't believe I forgot to mention that.  Yes, always double down on 11!!  Unless I'm out of chips, and unless the dealer has an Ace showing. 

Like you, I just like playing the game.  I rarely go to the casino either, but when I do, I can be found at a Blackjack table.

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RE: Gambling - 3/24/2008 1:58:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		My way..... enjoy playing Pai Gow at Doms expense, enjoy playing at the minimum $25 bet  as long as I can when I am getting told to double it means he is ready to leave, so start betting $50  So if I win  again then bet a $100 as the goal is now to lose it. Which can tend to be more fun to do if you then start getting really good cards.  I am not a gambler when it comes to casinos, if I spenc money I am one that prefers to have some to show for it, so the first time taken to the casino, I was expecting to possibly play dollars slots, last thing I expected was to be sat down at $25 minimum table and told to watch and learn and then be handed $500 and told to play I had a tough time at first watching the pile of chips getting smaller and smaller not understanding that to him it did not matter as he would be just writing it off as a business expense.  Npw that I know what is expect I can relax and enjoy playing know that winning or losing does not matter all that it is affecting is how long we play

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RE: Gambling - 3/24/2008 2:01:51 PM   
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Oh yeah...always double down on 11!  Unless I am out of chips, of course! 


LOL I can't believe I forgot to mention that.  Yes, always double down on 11!!  Unless I'm out of chips, and unless the dealer has an Ace showing. 

Like you, I just like playing the game.  I rarely go to the casino either, but when I do, I can be found at a Blackjack table.


Oh, doesn't that just frost ya?  I hate when I get a beautiful "11" and the dealer turns up an Ace! 
Of course, I also just hate to push after I've drawn to a 21! 

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RE: Gambling - 3/25/2008 12:21:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		GDG, I assumed you already had a working knowledge of how to play the game. My response was meant to express, in the spirit of the thread :

A How to negate the house's edge

B How to get an edge

C How to get the same edge as your most competent competitors, or to reduce theirs against you

I assumed you did not ask to hear "Da if you got 17 stay", cardcounting is something that you have to develop to even make the odds even, forget beating them. But when the odds are even, every dog has his day.

Cardcountig is not easy and NEVER even think of trying to ask how many decks they are using. And like I said, they are watching. If they see you stay on 16 a few times and there are a bunch of low cards out on the table, you will be scrutinized. But it is the way to win.

Just real quick here, what do you think the point of stud poker is ? The fact that you can see part of your opponents' hands. Stud poker players are already cardcounters. If they know what they're doing that is.

If you just want to know when to hit, when to stay and when to double down, I am not here for that. Beyond knowing how to play well, there is only one way to win more. I have already put that forth, there is no other way.

T

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RE: Gambling - 3/25/2008 5:29:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you want to win just sit at a machine next to me, they always win big.

Right now the closest casinos to us are an hour away, so we only go about once every two months.  But a large new one is opening next Fall just 10 minutes from us and that does concern me, will have to use some restraint. Since we eat out a lot we are looking forward to trying their restaurants.

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