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LadyHathor -> Selfless or Selfish (3/24/2008 1:17:55 PM)

ok you knew someone had to----is your submission--
 
selfless or selfish? there are schools of thought on both sides it seems---
 
why--why not?
 
 




ownedgirlie -> RE: Selfless or Selfish (3/24/2008 1:23:55 PM)

It began as selfish but is currently selfless.  His benefit and contentment is my goal, whether it pains me or fulfills me to give him that.




colouredin -> RE: Selfless or Selfish (3/24/2008 1:25:47 PM)

selfish, I feel happy making someone else happy, I dont believe that there is such a thing aas a selfless good deed as I said before somewhere and quoted joey from friends, the one where pheobe tries to prove him wrong and cant? I agree with that totally, now that doesnt mean I top from the bottom or any of the other 'you arent real' things just means that if I wasnt happy being a sub then I wouldnt be a sub, and though being a sub for me means doing things I dont like at times I still wouldnt have it any other way and even if i hate the act I still enjoy it at the end of the day because it makes him happy. 




DesFIP -> RE: Selfless or Selfish (3/24/2008 1:26:27 PM)

Selfish. If I wasn't getting any of my needs met, I wouldn't be here. But I believe that people need to take care of themselves first. Just like on an airplane when the air masks descend, you're told to put you're own on first, because if you don't, you'll pass out and not be able to help your ums.




akisha -> RE: Selfless or Selfish (3/24/2008 1:32:50 PM)

I'm both selfless and selfish. I will go out of my way to do something for a loved one, but I always make sure me and my lilbit are taken care of first and foremost.





AquaticSub -> RE: Selfless or Selfish (3/24/2008 1:34:45 PM)

Seflish. I'm not out to be a matyr - I left many relationships where the other person was happy and in love with me because it was a situation where I wasn't in the submissive position. I sought this out because I wanted it.




Poetryinpain -> RE: Selfless or Selfish (3/24/2008 1:42:49 PM)

There are few truly selfless people. They do exist, and I admire them with every fiber of my being. I would like to say I'm selfless, but I know better. Everything I do is done with the idea that I'm going to get something out of it.

My job (when I have one) - well, I usually like the things I do in my job, but the little tasks that are annoying or take time I'd rather use for things I like are still means to the end of general enjoyment of a job well done - not to mention the paycheck.

If I had a Dom - as has been stated eloquently in another thread (from which I suppose this one evolved?), pleasing the Dom/Master in many cases brings pleasure to the sub/slave. The feeling that something I have done (even if I didn't like the doing of it) has made life a little easier or more pleasant for someone I respect, honor, or perhaps even love - that feeling is like a little rush of pleasure to me. If I see a smile on his face, that's even better.

I admit to getting pleasure from doing random acts of kindness. Holding the door for someone who has their hands full - they may not even acknowledge the act, but I feel better about myself for having done it.

Even the task of bettering myself through gaining knowledge or through exercise or a change in diet - those things are not always pleasurable, but the results are. And if the results include the fact that my Dom is proud of me, so much the better.




RCdc -> RE: Selfless or Selfish (3/24/2008 1:48:47 PM)

Ultimately selfish, with acts of selfless(to an extent) acts.  But the selflessness leads to selfish pleasure.
 
the.dark.




LadyHathor -> RE: Selfless or Selfish (3/24/2008 3:29:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

Ultimately selfish, with acts of selfless(to an extent) acts.  But the selflessness leads to selfish pleasure.
 
the.dark.

 
THIS is awesome!




Focus50 -> RE: Selfless or Selfish (3/24/2008 3:32:10 PM)

I think the reasons a submissive seeks out a D/s relationship are the same from my Dom perspective - to get unique needs met.  That makes their individual motives selfish and I'm cool with that....
 
Within that D/s relationship, I've generally found my girls' service to be selfless (say for the odd bad day) - I'm cool with that, too!
 
I've got an ego...!  If a particular submissive had a selfless attitude toward anyone calling themself 'Dom' or 'Master', I'd be without respect and generally turned off.  But by entering into a committed relationship and then serving selflessly, the message is that I fulfill something for her that no-one else does.  And in return, of course, you just know I'll have her fulfilling my needs, as well....!
 
Focus.




daddyncherry -> RE: Selfless or Selfish (3/24/2008 3:36:46 PM)

When i began my relationship with my Daddy is was much more selfish than i realized....now i am still selfish, but in a much different way.....selfless-selfishness.

i used to look to get validation in my actions, a "pat on the head", a good girl or whatever.......i thought that it was just letting me see where i was going, if i was doing right etc.-He saw it as selfish behavior.............He's taught me to do things, and then let go of the outcome, do them, enjoy them, revel in them, but then let go of the outcome, and don't try to control his or any one elses experience of it.

The enjoyment, revelling and all of that, THOSE are the selfish parts, finding my joy in doing the things regardless of whether he ignores it, or compliments me hugely........All of the compliment stuff, validation stuff is  kinda rare in our house....but i do totally find joy in what i do, and i have to go by his actions, the fact that i am here with him, to know that i've done a good job at stuff.

The other way i learned about selfishness was learing about what HE likes personally rather than doing what i personally feel is a great thing......this was touched on in the "pamering thread" the other day..........Doing things cause i like to do them, cause i've always gotten kudos from doing them and not really tuning into him and what makes him tick were ways that i stumbled on as a new slave. (i know, it should be obvious, but it wasn't to me at the time)




aidan -> RE: Selfless or Selfish (3/24/2008 3:48:25 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

Ultimately selfish, with acts of selfless(to an extent) acts.  But the selflessness leads to selfish pleasure.
 
the.dark.


Boom. Said it better than I could.




BBWnNC72 -> RE: Selfless or Selfish (3/24/2008 4:33:55 PM)

i would say for me that it started and is still selfish.  i went looking for what i wanted and didn't settle for less then i have now with my Dominant. But He is the one who tought me not to settle for less.  On the other hand, i am very selfless, i will do what i am able to do to make sure He is happy.  i am caring, i feel great sadness when some one i care about is not feeling well or is unhappy.  But then, being needed if selfish in a way too.
If i don't feel my needs are being met and we have tried to communicate and failed, why would i stay, why would i be unhappy, that would ultimately make my SO unhappy also.  Then no ones needs are being met.




charmdpetKeira -> RE: Selfless or Selfish (3/24/2008 4:54:08 PM)

To me D/s is a relationship dynamic based on balance, derived from a pivot point. The dynamic I choose, is reliant on the energy exchanged, therefore, neither selfless, nor selfish.
 
Mathematically it looks like this: 6+9=8
 
k




junecleaver -> RE: Selfless or Selfish (3/24/2008 6:15:14 PM)

Mostly selfish.




MasterFireMaam -> RE: Selfless or Selfish (3/24/2008 6:26:12 PM)

It is part of the human condition to be selfish. Nothing can every be truly selfless, in my view, as long as we are here, in human form, existing in this plane. It's an inherent part of our "filter" through which we interact with the world.

Master Fire




FullofShadows -> RE: Selfless or Selfish (3/24/2008 7:13:13 PM)

Mostly Selfish.

Shadows


Morticia: Gomez.
Gomez: Querida?
Morticia: Last night you were unhinged. You were like some desperate, howling demon. You frightened me. Do it again!
                           Addams Family (1991)




petdave -> RE: Selfless or Selfish (3/24/2008 7:56:37 PM)

Call me a cynic, but i have serious doubts that it's possible for someone to be selfLESS. Certainly, one can put their partner ahead of themselves, but to completely remove yourself from the equation?  i don't see it happening.

With that said, i think it's like most "normal" relationships... There are selfish elements, and there are elements that are focused on my partner. i try to keep the latter ahead of the former, but can i claim to be objective enough to tally 'em? Probably not.




christine1 -> RE: Selfless or Selfish (3/24/2008 7:58:04 PM)

i think i'm a combination of both....selflesh.




Leatherist -> RE: Selfless or Selfish (3/24/2008 7:59:21 PM)

No one does something for nothing, unless they happen to be insane.




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