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RE: Buying My First Home. - 3/24/2008 8:07:05 PM   
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If you look you will find sources that will tell you we are still looking for the market to fall from 10-20% in some areas. The bubble has yet to fully deflate. Buying now is just nuts. Unless you find a real bargain that is like 30-40% under current market value. Then it might be a real steal. Or it could be a false bottom as suggested earlier in the thread.

With the economy in the toilet as it is, I'd just sit and wait for now.

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RE: Buying My First Home. - 3/24/2008 8:11:50 PM   
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Wow. The timing of this thread is impeccable.  I'm a first time seller and having a difficult time deciding on a number.   My realtors were here today and took the photos, and my house is going to hit the market tomorrow. 
We agreed to a list price, but I'm thinking I may have gone too high.  The realtors gave me several numbers to choose from in different increments, and also explained about my 'competition'.  There are 55 homes for sale in my town and 6 of them are in the price range of mine.  So I can go a bit lower and be the best of my competition, or go higher to give a buyer room to haggle.  I opted to list the house for about 10K more than what I'd actually be happy with, but now I'm wondering if I should just put a perfectly fair deal out there right from the onset.  The realors are having the agents' open house this friday and said that about 50 realtors in my county and other parts of Jersey will come to see the house, and the following two weeks after that is the golden time.  I think that means that the most clients of all those agents will be exposed to the listing  in those first two weeks.
So as hypothetical buyers would you guys feel like you got a better deal haggling down on something slightly over-priced, or would you take a fair deal and not haggle.  My realtor can't even give me a straight answer on this.  Do most people feel they are getting a better deal if there is room to negotiate down?  If I set the price at exactly what I want for it, I'm afraid they will want to haggle down even though it's a great price, which is why I went a bit higher, but now I'm not so sure that was the best decision.  I'm actually considering calling my realtor first thing in the morning before she puts the listing on the net.  Anyone???

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RE: Buying My First Home. - 3/24/2008 8:24:54 PM   
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Do most people feel they are getting a better deal if there is room to negotiate down?


If your 10K allows for a 5-7% haggling space, then all is well.

Of course, there have been housing markets where people kept bidding the values higher. But that looks like its all over for now.

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RE: Buying My First Home. - 3/24/2008 8:30:09 PM   
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I'd just sit and wait for now.


      And how much more money gets flushed down the toilet in rent?  Maybe as much or more as you'll get off the price of a house?  At least a mortgage gives you a tax write-off on some of that.  Another problem with waiting is interest rates.

       The market here dropped hard last summer.  We bought in the fall.  Since day one in the house, we've been getting the crap mail about refinancing, and I've noticed something.  That wonderful new rate "as low as..." has climbed higher than what I have locked in.

      

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RE: Buying My First Home. - 3/24/2008 8:32:36 PM   
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       Give yourself room to haggle, Marie.  The buyers know who's market it is, and there are a lot of assholes like me running around.

     Do you really have to sell right now?

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RE: Buying My First Home. - 3/24/2008 8:44:21 PM   
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So which? Buy but don't sell?

WTF?

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RE: Buying My First Home. - 3/24/2008 8:45:10 PM   
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      Give yourself room to haggle, Marie.  


Yeah, that's what I'm leaning towards now. I think I'm going to stick with the slightly higher price and give buyers room to make an offer.  I think it's human nature anyway; I would guess that no matter how fair a price, an interested buyer will still try to make an offer at least 5K lower than the original list price. 
   
quote:

Do you really have to sell right now?


Yes. But I'll still come out ahead.  And on the other end, of course whatever I buy will be cheaper too.  So I'm ok with it.


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RE: Buying My First Home. - 3/24/2008 8:46:55 PM   
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I think it's human nature anyway; I would guess that no matter how fair a price, an interested buyer will still try to make an offer at least 5K lower than the original list price. 


Absolutely. And the buyer will feel better about the final price if s/he feels s/he got it down a bit.

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RE: Buying My First Home. - 3/24/2008 8:47:21 PM   
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So which? Buy but don't sell?

WTF?



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RE: Buying My First Home. - 3/24/2008 8:51:02 PM   
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I think it's human nature anyway; I would guess that no matter how fair a price, an interested buyer will still try to make an offer at least 5K lower than the original list price. 


Absolutely. And the buyer will feel better about the final price if s/he feels s/he got it down a bit.


I think so too.



Thanks everyone.   

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RE: Buying My First Home. - 3/24/2008 9:04:26 PM   
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I don't care how big of a hurry the tour fix it guy is. When on your Walk Through, inspect everything down to the last detail. Keep a pen, paper, and clip board with you. Write down your own notes as the other person checks things off on the list. Look all over and flush every toilet. Examine and turn on every sink and faulcet bath and shower wise. Open, shut, re open, shut, and lock every window.

Do your walk through inch per inch, item by item, switch per switch, and make sure everything works.

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RE: Buying My First Home. - 3/24/2008 10:04:04 PM   
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        Good advice, Fangs.  We didn't discover that an odd corner outlet didn't work until we tried to plug the Christmas lights into it. 

       Lesson learned for next time.  That is going to be a while.  We bought a home, not a short term investment.

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RE: Buying My First Home. - 3/24/2008 10:24:46 PM   
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     Give yourself room to haggle, Marie.  


Yeah, that's what I'm leaning towards now. I think I'm going to stick with the slightly higher price and give buyers room to make an offer.  I think it's human nature anyway; I would guess that no matter how fair a price, an interested buyer will still try to make an offer at least 5K lower than the original list price. 
  
quote:

Do you really have to sell right now?


Yes. But I'll still come out ahead.  And on the other end, of course whatever I buy will be cheaper too.  So I'm ok with it.

That used to be my thinking too. I sold three houses in 2006, and had each one appraised before I set the price. I mean a real appraisal, not an electronic or drive-by.  The appraisal was right on the counter with the termite letter and the seller's disclosure form. People didn't have to guess if it was a fair price or not. I sold all three within 30 days of listing.

I also used a listing service who put it on MLS and FMLS and all that; dealt with all the contracts, rented a lockbox and sign, and so on, for $600 + about .4% of the closing price. In a seller's market I would go for a min of $2500 earnest money. $1000 is too easy to walk away from.

Also, and this is very important for me, I sold the properties "as is". Inspect the house all you (the buyer) want. At the end of closing, it's bye-bye. No buyer's remorse, no undisclosed defects, no BS. Clean break.

I've done this once or twice.

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RE: Buying My First Home. - 3/24/2008 10:32:17 PM   
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I don't care how big of a hurry the tour fix it guy is. When on your Walk Through, inspect everything down to the last detail. Keep a pen, paper, and clip board with you. Write down your own notes as the other person checks things off on the list. Look all over and flush every toilet. Examine and turn on every sink and faulcet bath and shower wise. Open, shut, re open, shut, and lock every window.

Do your walk through inch per inch, item by item, switch per switch, and make sure everything works.

Also check the furnace and A/C functions. look for evidence of moisture (mold stains, discoloration of wallboard, water spots on ceilings, water marks on underside of roof). Check condition of the gutters. Check all the appliances. Get a polarity tester and test the receptacles. Check the grading next to the foundation. Look for evidence of standing water. Check the age of the hot water heater, and see if it has an expansion tank. Check the furnace filters (dirty probably means poor maintenance). Check the functionality of all cabinet hardware.
  That's all I can think of offhand at 0100h.

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RE: Buying My First Home. - 3/24/2008 10:46:17 PM   
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Ask your friends and relatives to recommend a person who knows about construction and repairs.  Have them look over any potential properties the same as you would have a reliable mechanic check out any used cars you might want to purchase.
I second the recommendation of having your own lawyer for all the paperwork.
 
Out here in Cali we check geologic data for past earthquakes and faultlines.  What are the potential extreme weather damage/natural disasters in your area?  (You can also find out about the history of a home in a city or county records office,
was it damaged in a flood, what was added onto the house, etc.)
 
Take your time, do your research and don't let anyone push you around or rush you.
 
Good luck house hunting! 

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RE: Buying My First Home. - 3/24/2008 10:46:34 PM   
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Marie,

Here's some advice:

1 - Leave some room to negotiate.  People will want to feel like they talked you down.  Psychologically, a buyer will feel better if they "talk" you from 175 to 160 than if they just bought it straight up at 160.

2 - Selling could take a while right now; you will need to be patient, and possibly take less than you would hope.  Part of the problem is dropping prices, but the other end of the squeeze is tightening credit.  So, in short, less buyers want to buy, and less buyers can buy even if they wanted to.

Also, do your own research beyond the realtors, just to be sure.

MissMenagerie,

The best move you can make is to both build a strong credit rating and save a down payment.  All of the non-traditional mortgage products end up costing you more in the long run than the standard 20% down, 30 year fixed rate.  I mean, why would they be trying to sell you all the wacky shit if it didn't make them money?

Granted, much of that is dying down now thanks to tighter lending standards, but do yourself a favor and get in front of the 8-ball before you buy.  You want savings to provide a "margin of safety" and to get into the best loan possible; houses will always be there, and they will always be affordable in the long run (because if not, who the fuck is going to buy all the houses?).  Just be disciplined and patient.

Edit - that is beyond waiting.  My comments on the previous page speak to that.


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RE: Buying My First Home. - 3/24/2008 10:53:57 PM   
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Ask your friends and relatives to recommend a person who knows about construction and repairs.  Have them look over any potential properties the same as you would have a reliable mechanic check out any used cars you might want to purchase.
I second the recommendation of having your own lawyer for all the paperwork.
 
Out here in Cali we check geologic data for past earthquakes and faultlines.  What are the potential extreme weather damage/natural disasters in your area?  (You can also find out about the history of a home in a city or county records office,
was it damaged in a flood, what was added onto the house, etc.)
 
Take your time, do your research and don't let anyone push you around or rush you.
 
Good luck house hunting! 
I have had to provide (don't remember the name of the report or agency) all insurance claims info on a property I was selling from the time I owned it. Buyer wanted to make sure there had been no repairs which weren't disclosed. very smart move. 

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RE: Buying My First Home. - 3/24/2008 10:58:20 PM   
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I am also in the market to buy in this great market. It's not my first home, but it will be the first home I live in. I flipped a house back in 05. This thread has been really helpful, awesome.

Oh and yeah, I always plan to negotiate the price so definitely a good idea to set the price a little higher than you're good for.

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RE: Buying My First Home. - 3/24/2008 11:57:38 PM   
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I guess most of the preceeding is good advice for most people.

When you get your fixed rate mortgage and you pay extra, make sure you write the word "principle" on it. One bank will credit it to interst by default. I know this for a fact. It boils down to prepaying interest, which is not the worst thing, but it is better to pay the principle. Some people will make advance interest payments for tax reasons. But that is one of the finer points, if this is your first house, you might want one that works.

My situation is different, I hope nothing works as it all turns into leverage. What I save by fixing it up myself will more than offset my costs. The term is sweat equity. However I am experienced and if you rented all your life you might want everything up to snuff. Or at least some agreement or warranty. I am a good house inspector, not formally trained but you don't really have to be if you are hip to how things are. But the thing is so is my Mother, and sister, and Dad, and friend Jack.

Jack just bought a house, in the sixties, and the last sale in the neighborhood was a few months ago for three times that amount, I mean not that long ago ! Their family automatically has a buyer broker in his sister in law, a real estate agent.

The house has a hole in the roof that has been tarped over, and it was not winterized right, there are busted pipes. In three days the plumbing and heating systems are fully up and running, he figures fixing the roof might be aroung four grand. He has done this before. There is also damage to the upstairs ceilings, but he expected that. He can drywall,and it gets him in to update the wiring, put in fans, whatever. He knows his way around.

That is the best way to do it, but unless you have experience in the matter, do not trust your own judgement, in fact don't trust anyone. Don't even trust me, but then where do you go ? You demand complete and full explanations of everything. That is not included.

In a hypothetical situation, let's say you got Jack's house. He is going to move into it probably only putting a grand or two into it. Get the roof fixed now, have a good look at it and decide whether to replaceit this year. Get the place livable, and move in and let that rent roll in from the old house. It is a good plan, but on your first house you need really good advice. He knows what he is doing.

Now even us, when we work we are reasonable, and we do the best we can within reason and budget. We can fix up the place better than almost anyone, nd put in anything you want. We have already done the supposedly impossible way more than once, and we bust a nut when we do. We want pictures.

But the bottom line is that if we come and work on your stuff, it is going to cost money. When we work for ourself, we get what is termed 'sweat equity'. But that is the best thing, that is when you actually increased the value of the house. When you do it for yourself you do not get the money until you sell or rent it. But we want our money on completion.

And do not trust the people at the DIY type stores for information. They are right about 60% of the time. They are usually right on the simple things, but let's put it this way, they are working in retail for a rerason. They are not working in the trades. If they knew what they were doing they could be making five times the money, but some of them do have experience in some areas. I am not saying to discount it totally, just don't take it as gospel.

Good luck though. Home ownership, sometimes describve as the American dream, is upon you. My other buddy is exceptional at financing. I can hook you up if the need arises but instead of going into his shit, just make sure it is a fixed rate for the entire life ofv the loan. Be aware of any early repayment penaties. After that you should be good to go.

That does not mean your payment will not go up, taxes and insurance will go up, but if you rent, that goes up faster.The end figure you pay to the bank used to be called PITI, Principle, Interest, Taxes, Insurance. Principle and interest will not change, but taxes and insurance will go up during the life of the loan.

And do not make a claim frivolously on the house insurance, just don't. If an icicle falls off the house and breaks your car windshield, shut the fuck up about it, you don't even want them to know about it. If you get robbed, or have a small fire, you might just want to handle it yourself. Because you have limits on that policy so high doesn't mean you get it if something REALLY bad happens.

More on that some other time. Just do not call the insurance company unless the fire department spent over an hour there. Just some personal words of advice. You could have say a small kitchen fire and they would have to pay, but how much ? They will remember that. Then if you have a really bad fire they fuck with you all the way down the road. If you call them and get five new plasma TVs everytime you have lightening in Florida, when the place burns to the ground they are going to fuck with you.

This from an insurance adjuster to me back in 95 when my house burnt.

I handled that adjuster like putty, and he gets to bullshitting with me. He told me a few things. Like "You call evey time ______, then when something like this happens, well we have alot of discretion in the matter". That's me talking, I heard it from the guy's own mouth in front of a witness no less.

Let's hope you never go through this shit. I am probably the only person in the world who actually got the full amount I asked for for contents. Down to the penny. Things are alot worse now, and if shit happens, the main thing is to fix the house. The money you get for your sofas, beds and TVs and such means nothing, WATCH THEM FIX THE HOUSE. Take off work if necessary, I did. I think I got their money's worth.

You might want to have a look at the thread "Why I hate construction people". If they don't know what they are doing or don't care, they can cause insidious damage that will not show up for years. Believe me I know this firsthand. When ever you can, educate yourself. Know what is right and what is wrong, and alot of it is common sense, but it is common sense applied after one has knowledge.

Best of luck. Post back when those specific problem arise (and they will, belive me) you just solve them one at a time, that's all. We will be here. Others may be better helping with finance issues, because we don't do that anymore. It has come down to mortgage the old house to pay cash for the new house. As such we are the only ones to do the inspections. I can't advise that for anyone else though.

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RE: Buying My First Home. - 3/25/2008 12:35:03 AM   
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Well, guess you should get terminater to handle everything. He handled the adjustor like putty, his buddy can get you the best mortgage (even if he isn't licensed in your state)  They can fix the place better than almost anyone, and dfo the impossible. And don't forget to write the word "principle" on your check. You probably won't get a payment coupon like I do which has spaces for additional principal (I had to look up the spelling, since I don't have a 200 IQ, nor am I an electronics genius. OTOH, I don't live in my father's basement, either. I actually own rental property, so what do I know?), add'l interest, add'l escrow.

Actually, ignore my advice. I don't know a thing about buying and selling real estate. I rent a double-wide in a white-trash area of May-retta (Marietta) Jaw-ja zip code 30068. Go to realtor.com and see what fucking shitty trailers and shacks there are. I can't wait to get out.

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