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Mars777 -> Lifestyles Relationships Labels (3/24/2008 7:22:12 PM)

Since being a part of the community, both R/L & cyber, for too many years to count. I have always viewed with interest as people navigate the deep waters of their own sexuality and the forms/terms (D/s, S/m, bdsm, submissive, slave, Master, Dom, Top, bottom, etc.) that they gravitate to in an effort to bring clarity to their own search.

With amazement, I have watched as some discuss/debate/argue these forms/terms in an effort to either elevate or lower one type over another.

I understand the competitive nature of human beings and their need to be "right" and other's "wrong", but in light of that, my own "opinion" is that when it comes to lifestyles/relationships, there is "NO RIGHT or WRONG", there is "ONLY" what the parties involved agrees what works for them.

In other words, "Whatever gets you through the night, it's alright, it's alright."

Mars777
"DOM'd if you do, DOM'd if you don't"






Aine -> RE: Lifestyles Relationships Labels (3/24/2008 7:27:57 PM)

Actually, more people than you would think have the same opinion that you do.

I...for one, do.




Celeste43 -> RE: Lifestyles Relationships Labels (3/24/2008 7:39:09 PM)

Only to a degree. Abused spouses will consent to continue to taking the abuse, because they're afraid of repercussions, because they've come to believe the abuser is right when he says this is all she deserves. I draw the line at that.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Lifestyles Relationships Labels (3/24/2008 9:59:45 PM)

I absolutely have no problem judging someone/some action to be wrong, stupid, ignorant and many other things.

I also see no reason why my judgement should necessarily prevent them from doing whatever it is they find fulfilling to do.




subtee -> RE: Lifestyles Relationships Labels (3/24/2008 10:04:29 PM)

Wow, I'm not sure how this thread got turned into a discourse on judgment and abuse, but what I was going to add was that, although labels are convenient for...sorting ourselves into X or Y, many of us add much gray to the black and white they connote.

Maybe I read the OP wrong.




charmdpetKeira -> RE: Lifestyles Relationships Labels (3/24/2008 10:06:05 PM)

I only try to shoot for accuracy in what I’m doing.

I’m okay with others trying to draw lines around me; they just needn’t expect I will color within them.

I never have been very good at it.

k




Aine -> RE: Lifestyles Relationships Labels (3/25/2008 2:13:46 AM)

I generally leave out Abuse when I make those kinds of comments because...well

it goes without saying for me.

Abuse is abuse and is wrong.  But who am I to sit there and say "that's abuse" when I don't know the situation?




Aine -> RE: Lifestyles Relationships Labels (3/25/2008 2:16:56 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: subtee

Wow, I'm not sure how this thread got turned into a discourse on judgment and abuse, but what I was going to add was that, although labels are convenient for...sorting ourselves into X or Y, many of us add much gray to the black and white they connote.

Maybe I read the OP wrong.



Me either, actually.  lol

Anywho, I should clarify my original statement for those who took it in the other direction.

I read that OP as a "Take what you want and make it your own because what works for you ain't gonna work for everyone else"

And nowhere in there was a reference to Abuse....what was referenced what personal preferences as to what is "right" or "wrong" for a particular participant.  And that we shouldn't really tell someone that the way they are doing something is wrong just because we wouldn't do it that way (IE the choice or not to do watersports)

I say we should save the abuse thing for a separate thread.




LadyPact -> RE: Lifestyles Relationships Labels (3/25/2008 4:21:16 AM)

I must be incorrectly reading the OP as well.

Sometimes, those same discussions/debates also help people clarify those terms to themselves and help to explain their understanding of the terms with others in a effort to explain the way they see them.  Not the random, "What is a slave" but rather, "What is a slave to you?"  It doesn't have anything to do with one person's opinion being better than the other, but rather learning to understand the thought processes that have brought someone to their interpretation of the term.




LilMissHaven -> RE: Lifestyles Relationships Labels (3/25/2008 4:29:35 AM)

People can refer to themselves or others by any term they choose.  Their actions will tell me who and what they are far before their title will.




stella41b -> RE: Lifestyles Relationships Labels (3/25/2008 6:37:11 AM)

Hmm. Let me try here.

I'm not that old - I just look it. But so far in my experience of people I see names, faces, people with different lives, people who all walk a different path in life, different pasts, different experiences, different opinions, feelings, thoughts, preferences, intentions, perspectives, prejudices (yes, I have them, everyone I guess has them), and so on.

You say, for example 'tree'. I understand you. Something living, bigger than a plant, rooted in the ground, has leaves, a trunk, and so on. You might be thinking of a palm tree, I might be thinking of a poplar, someone else is thinking of an oak tree.

Now let's assume you say 'submissive'. I also understand you. A person who submits to another person. You conjure up a mental image based on your experience or fantasies, I do the same, and so does someone else.

Or for that matter dogs. You might think of an Alsatian. I might think of a St Bernard, someone else might think of a Yorkshire Terrier.

Now it seems to me that the labels only go as far as they do in reality, e.g,.'tree', 'submissive' and 'dog' and this is true when we are talking both in abstract and concrete terms.

However problems start when we seek to go beyond those labels. This is more true when we are talking about abstract labels, e.g. submissive, rather than concrete labels, such as tree or dog. I mean you would have tremendous difficulties arguing that an oak tree isn't really a tree, or that a Dalmatian is a better dog than a Pekinese.

I'm not sure about people being competitive. I personally think it's more down to potty training, and how we were all trained to use a potty as infants. Some of us became orally fixated, others more preoccupied with their genitals, and some people became anally retentive.

This was the first time we were taken from diapers and put onto a potty. We discovered that we had genitalia for the first time, and this as the first time we also examined the relationship that we had between our genitals, our most private, intimate needs, ourselves and with those that we love. It is our first experience of intimacy, and of exploring the power that our bodies have on other people.

Is this not a similar relationship we explore much later in life, when we explore our own sexuality and start to explore our kinks and interests in BDSM? The difference would appear to be that it is much later in life, we are more mature, adults, but surely much of our behaviour as adults is influenced by our early childhood experiences, the relationships we had with our parents and families, and how we developed in childhood?

This to me explains why some people feel the need to say that the Alsatian is not a dog, but a wolf, or a hound, or that their palm tree is a better tree than someone else's oak or pine tree.

This is just my personal theory and not something I wish to put forward here as a scientific fact.




Poetryinpain -> RE: Lifestyles Relationships Labels (3/25/2008 7:51:54 AM)

Stella, I just love posting behind you. I get to say WOW again!

Your post touches on my own experience. I have trouble identifying my place in the BDSM scheme of things. I suppose I'm a submissive, but not as submissive as most Doms would like. I am decidedly a masochist, so I seek a sadist who wields his power within the framework of the BDSM "safety net." In other words, he knows what he's doing and the possible consequences of his actions. I also love doing things for others, but I am not comfortable taking orders, even from someone I love. Advice, yes; orders, not so much.

As a result of being open on this subject, I have been told (1) that I don't belong on CM, and (2) that I am really a "submissive" or a "slave" and just don't know it yet.

So I am confused.




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