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spacey -> For Review and Feedback: Puppy Play Negotiation Form (3/25/2008 10:29:46 AM)


*bark bark* Hi everyone

Mae Puppy (Miss Marie) and I have been working on something that we'd like to share with the rest puppy play and BDSM community today. It's a negotiation form specifically geared towards puppy play.

You can find it here: http://puppyplaypride.com/negotiation.html

Like before with the Puppy Play Pride Symbol, we also want your feedback. Please go take a look and send us your suggestions for additions as well as any other feedback. We'd love to make this something useful to all puppy players. If you do send a suggestion, please also let us know how we can credit you on the form.

You can find an address to send direct feedback at the bottom of that page.

Thank you for checking it out.

*happy barks*
scamp puppy - Adopted by Marie




Aileen1968 -> RE: For Review and Feedback: Puppy Play Negotiation Form (3/25/2008 10:43:13 AM)

Heh heh heh.  Roll over.




WalterRego -> RE: For Review and Feedback: Puppy Play Negotiation Form (3/25/2008 10:49:21 AM)

I did a kennel-ful of puppy play a few years ago and was even "shown" and put through my repertoire of tricks at a Dom/sub Friends meeting demo at Paddles.  I guess at a time when SSC reigns, your idea of a puppy negotiation form might appeal to many, but personally (and not to piss on your hydrant) I find the whole concept of negotiations and forms with a puppy - even a human one  -  to make as much sense as dressing up a real pup as a human.

Yes, I know people do it.  

But a puppy doesn't speak, doesn't decide what to call itself, what kind of collar to wear or tricks to do. The whole idea (and to me, comfort) of being a puppy, was being picked out by my owner and having her decide all those things, while I simply gave her unquestioning loyalty, love and devotion.

Perhaps you might consider reworking the form as a possible "Owners' Checksheet" that they get after they find and pick up their puppy from the CM Adoption Service.




spacey -> RE: For Review and Feedback: Puppy Play Negotiation Form (3/25/2008 11:09:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: WalterRego

... but personally (and not to piss on your hydrant) I find the whole concept of negotiations and forms with a puppy - even a human one  -  to make as much sense as dressing up a real pup as a human....

...

Perhaps you might consider reworking the form as a possible "Owners' Checksheet" that they get after they find and pick up their puppy from the CM Adoption Service.



Hi WalterRego,

We do appreciate the feedback. I think there's a significant number of folks in the puppy play world that feel like you. You completely right, for them those who have been doing it a long time or those that have no particular interests or expectations, I don't think a negotiation tool will be a useful tool.

I've posted this to a few places now, and think thing where something like this really fits is for either folks just starting out with puppy play or those who have had a hard time communicating their interests because they don't have a common frame of reference. Especially for the former, in both trainers and puppies, it's helped them consider aspects of puppy play they might not have thought of.

Anywho, I really like the idea of an Adoption check sheet. Sounds like it could be fun and could be used in play. That actually gives me an idea for a puppy vet medical record that could be used when engaging in veterinarian play. Neat.

Thanks again!
*happy barks*
scamp puppy (AKA spacey) - Adopted by Marie




spacey -> RE: For Review and Feedback: Puppy Play Negotiation Form (3/25/2008 11:14:46 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen1968
Heh heh heh.  Roll over.


Yup, pretty munch just like that. :) But with more barking and romping around.

*happy barks*
scamp puppy - Adopted by Marie




sirguym -> RE: For Review and Feedback: Puppy Play Negotiation Form (3/25/2008 11:40:37 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WalterRego

I did a kennel-ful of puppy play a few years ago and was even "shown" and put through my repertoire of tricks at a Dom/sub Friends meeting demo at Paddles.  I guess at a time when SSC reigns, your idea of a puppy negotiation form might appeal to many, but personally (and not to piss on your hydrant) I find the whole concept of negotiations and forms with a puppy - even a human one  -  to make as much sense as dressing up a real pup as a human.

Yes, I know people do it.  

But a puppy doesn't speak, doesn't decide what to call itself, what kind of collar to wear or tricks to do. The whole idea (and to me, comfort) of being a puppy, was being picked out by my owner and having her decide all those things, while I simply gave her unquestioning loyalty, love and devotion.

Perhaps you might consider reworking the form as a possible "Owners' Checksheet" that they get after they find and pick up their puppy from the CM Adoption Service.



And from the form, "The hope is that this form can be used as a tool by all puppies and trainers to aid in communicating desires and expectations ..."

I don't really see much difference between you, it's not a contract or limit-setting exercise, but an aid to focus the minds of both parties as to what they want from it, what they can expect; especially if they're communicating by email or messaging beforehand.

Of course, when it comes to real time play things will evolve and develop, possibly in unexpected directions, but something like this can open the mind of the handler, who from my experience is much less likely to have thought about it long and deep than the puppy ..

I love puppyplay myself, as a handler, and I hope to include a puppy show in the World Human-pony-play Championships I am organising in the UK  June 20-23. The only regrets I have is that there are so few puppy-girls around ...




wideeyedgirl -> RE: For Review and Feedback: Puppy Play Negotiation Form (3/25/2008 2:38:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sirguym

I love puppyplay myself, as a handler, and I hope to include a puppy show in the World Human-pony-play Championships I am organising in the UK  June 20-23. The only regrets I have is that there are so few puppy-girls around ...



Perks and wags tail as the mention of a puppy show. Anyone know of something like this in the States?

That aside, I did like this negotiation to the OP. Ive always had a a strong interest in puppy play, but for some reason it always seem..taboo to me. Ive always hestitated to bring it up with potential partner. Turns out my hopefully soon to be Owner loves it too. <yip>

I did see some mention by other posters that..doing this...takes away the heart of the play. Maybe..but afterall the puppy boys and girls are still human, ans especially with newer folks - having some established guidelines is a good thing, IMHO.




GiantSteps -> RE: For Review and Feedback: Puppy Play Negotiation Form (3/25/2008 3:12:20 PM)

Excuse me; I've been away for a while, and this is the first I've heard about puppy play. I just Wiki'ed it out and the run down is excellent, if a little dry. I'm not interested in engaging, but I am curious about the headspace the pup and owner engage in. I just tried the puppyplaypride site, but at the moment it's giving me a "Problem Loading" screen. Does anybody have any research tips towards the psychological aspects?




spacey -> RE: For Review and Feedback: Puppy Play Negotiation Form (3/25/2008 5:13:06 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: GiantSteps

I just tried the puppyplaypride site, but at the moment it's giving me a "Problem Loading" screen.


Hi GiantSteps,

I've checked the status for my web provider and they may have been having troubles when you tried. If you like, you might give it another try. http://puppyplaypride.com/negotiation.html

As for the pup headspace, I think like anything in the BDSM world, it varies from person to person. For me, it's a very freeing headspace. I get to tune out from a lot of my everyday worries and focus on the moment and what's in front of me. I spend less time trying to understand the moment and more just enjoying it. I also engage in adult age play, and I find the head spaces can be very similar. Especially similar to the younger roles I play.

Lately the most interesting pansexual resource I've found on animal role play as been http://HumanFauna.com They have to join to see any of the message board content.

*happy barks*
scamp puppy - Adopted by Marie




spacey -> RE: For Review and Feedback: Puppy Play Negotiation Form (3/25/2008 5:15:28 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: sirguym

I love puppyplay myself, as a handler, and I hope to include a puppy show in the World Human-pony-play Championships I am organising in the UK  June 20-23. The only regrets I have is that there are so few puppy-girls around ...


Sounds like it's going to be a blast. I wish my trainer and I had the resources to visit the UK for something like that.

Hope you have a great time!

*happy barks*
scamp puppy - Adopted by Marie




GiantSteps -> RE: For Review and Feedback: Puppy Play Negotiation Form (3/25/2008 5:51:51 PM)

Thanks, scamp - I hit human fauna off of Wiki, and it brickwalled me in the forums, as you say. I'll pop over and check things out; and thank you for your openess about the headspace - the last time I boaarded up, I pretty much kept to my kink, but I find I'm much more interested in the global psychology nowadays.

Who's a good lil puppy? You are!

- B




spacey -> RE: For Review and Feedback: Puppy Play Negotiation Form (3/29/2008 7:17:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: GiantSteps

Who's a good lil puppy? You are!



*arf!* Thanks B. Glad to do it. I enjoy learning more about other's interests too.

*happy barks*
scamp puppy - Adopted by Marie




catize -> RE: For Review and Feedback: Puppy Play Negotiation Form (3/29/2008 7:44:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: GiantSteps

Excuse me; I've been away for a while, and this is the first I've heard about puppy play. I just Wiki'ed it out and the run down is excellent, if a little dry. I'm not interested in engaging, but I am curious about the headspace the pup and owner engage in. I just tried the puppyplaypride site, but at the moment it's giving me a "Problem Loading" screen. Does anybody have any research tips towards the psychological aspects?

I’ve only had one opportunity to engage in puppy play and would certainly do it again.  It actually started out as a humiliation scene but we both enjoyed it  on its own merits because I wasn’t feeling humiliated at all!
A puppy gets to use her tongue a lot!  And since I am a masochistic ‘bitch’ I enjoyed getting disciplined with the rolled up newspaper---was surprised how much it really hurt!  I’m not sure that it would be considered “real” puppy play but the headspace was unique for me.




Skully7000 -> RE: For Review and Feedback: Puppy Play Negotiation Form (3/29/2008 8:10:48 PM)

Yay Fellow Camper!

Hmm so much to think about. see i've always considered pupply play along the same lines of owning an actually dog. (I have one and have been exposed to them all my life so I'm rather observant when it comes to making it rather real (or so i've been told in the limited experience I have in this area) But this has given me alot of different things to think about especially in the way of Guard Dogs and pack mentality ect.

Is it time for camp yet?

Cheers
Skully




spacey -> RE: For Review and Feedback: Puppy Play Negotiation Form (3/30/2008 11:10:04 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: wideeyedgirl
Perks and wags tail as the mention of a puppy show. Anyone know of something like this in the States?


The best source I know of right now of pup events in the US is at PupOut. Cosmo does a great job of keeping up with events that are meaningful to pups. You can find the events page here: http://www.pupout.com/events.html

Of course, you can always do was Mae Puppy and I did and get a munch going. You can find the latest invite to the munch on the events board here. Eventually, we would love to help bring a regional pup and pony competition to the Atlanta area.

*happy barks*
scamp puppy - Adopted by Marie




spacey -> RE: For Review and Feedback: Puppy Play Negotiation Form (3/30/2008 11:12:05 AM)


Hi catize,

Lovely discussion of pup space for you. Thank you for sharing it.

*happy barks*
scamp puppy - Adopted by Marie

quote:

ORIGINAL: catize
I’ve only had one opportunity to engage in puppy play and would certainly do it again.  It actually started out as a humiliation scene but we both enjoyed it  on its own merits because I wasn’t feeling humiliated at all!
A puppy gets to use her tongue a lot!  And since I am a masochistic ‘bitch’ I enjoyed getting disciplined with the rolled up newspaper---was surprised how much it really hurt!  I’m not sure that it would be considered “real” puppy play but the headspace was unique for me.




spacey -> RE: For Review and Feedback: Puppy Play Negotiation Form (3/30/2008 11:20:28 AM)


Hi Skully,

Thanks for the kind words about the negotiation form. I'm glad it gave you some new ideas to consider.

I'm looking forward to doing a pit of pupping out at camp again this year. Hopefully we'll have a few more pups too. (That is, in between me doing Kidz Kamp stuff too.)

(For those that have no idea what we're talking about, check out http://CampCrucible.com It's a BDSM camp held every year in PA over Memorial Day weekend. It's an absolutely blast. Among other things, they have a very large pony play contingent and a growing puppy play group.)

See ya at camp camp campity camp camp camp!

*happy barks*
scamp puppy (AKA spacey) - Adopted by Marie

quote:

ORIGINAL: Skully7000
Yay Fellow Camper!

Hmm so much to think about. see i've always considered pupply play along the same lines of owning an actually dog. (I have one and have been exposed to them all my life so I'm rather observant when it comes to making it rather real (or so i've been told in the limited experience I have in this area) But this has given me alot of different things to think about especially in the way of Guard Dogs and pack mentality ect.

Is it time for camp yet?

Cheers
Skully




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