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Leatherist -> RE: My thoughts on Kink vs D/s (5/20/2008 10:51:39 PM)

Purists are sort of boring.




RumpusParable -> RE: My thoughts on Kink vs D/s (5/20/2008 11:15:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Capitolisttool
D/s is a lifestyle choice, where two or more (in my case two) people enter into an understanding that one (or more) will live in service, submit, and find pleasure in that submission to the other, this going down the line in a poly house to the extend that there is an Alpha Slave and so forth.


It's also nothing so special, not at all a lifestyle choice.  It's just how some folks naturally interact, just like how some folks naturally interact as equals.

I just have friends, family and lovers.  That's it, that's all.  That some are my equals with no compromising on either side, some involve compromising on both sides, and some involve some level or other of deference to me from the most minor and passing to extreme and life-dictating is just everyday normal life like everyone else makes their everyday normal life that suits them. 

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Kink on the other hand is just that, be it bondage or water sports, top or bottom, role play or age play, it is something that occurs in the bedroom (or for those who like risk - on the beach ~grin~) and does not consume more time than the foreplay, the act, and the consummation of such act. Do not get me wrong, I love the kink side, but it should not be confused with the D/s lifestyle.


The things that fall under the term "kink" are not solely something that happens in the bedroom or similar, are not centered around sex inherently.  For many that is their entire interest in the almost unending list of activities and interactions that fall under "kink", but again that's not inherent to them.

My BDSM-umbrella activities happen as part of everyday life and developed *before* and *separate* from my sexuality and are still just everyday life things.  Sometimes they are included in my sex, sometimes not.  They are not about sex or focused on it and aren't sexually exciting in themselves at all.

Tying up a friend for fun is just FUN.  It is something that at age 5, 15, or 31 has happened for that sake alone, as part of hanging out and enjoying life.  Rough-housing/beating up each other, playing fort or drawing in coloring books, cutting for design or to have the blood flow, using one for a buffet display, tickling them until they pee, biting their shoulders to make them squeal, these are all just the norm of being with friends.  No sex or sexual charge, no power exchange, no special time and place... just regular old bumming around.

Now, I -and pretty much everyone else here as it's been gone over countless times- agree with the obvious that power exchange and kink are separate things that can overlap. 

But, just as they are each unusual things for some, they're very everyday things for others.  It's no one way as it was expressing in your original post.

For clarity, I realize due to the limits of type it may seem I'm stating these things harshly.  That's not the case, the mental/verbal tone that all the above was "said" in isn't at all negative, but rather enthusiastic.  My everyday life is just my everyday life, and I like it bunches or it would be very different ;)




BitaTruble -> RE: My thoughts on Kink vs D/s (5/20/2008 11:19:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Capitolisttool

At some level, I think there is a profound disconnect between the concept of Kink and a D/s relationship.


This is the meat I got from your OP and as I don't care to engage in a label debate, I'll stick with what you wrote from your gut and just address kink and d/s.

I think of kink in the same way I think of bowling or playing chess. It's entertainment. It's fun, it's light (even when there's lots of blood drawn) and I can live without it although since I don't have to, it's incorporated into our regular routine. That said, as I age, I am fully aware there may come a day when the choice to engage in kink is no longer mine to make. There are already activities which have been discarded due to some health issues and others which have been revamped or limited. I'm sure that will happen more frequently as we continue the aging process.

Also, I don't need any sort of relationship to indulge in kink. I can do so by myself, indulge with a complete stranger, etc. so, certainly, kink can stand alone.

D/s though (actually, M/s in our case), is the foundation upon which our relationship was built and evolved. The power exchange has not changed nor is such likely to happen. It is also unlikely that the aging process will have an affect on who has the power in the relationship I share with Himself. Since it is quite likely the kink will one day be either severly limited or simply non-existant and the power is most likely to remain, it stands to reason that the M/s can also stand alone.

The two things hold hands very well .. like a marriage made in Heaven, but they are each, in and of themselves, great as single entities.

Celeste





SleepyDom -> RE: My thoughts on Kink vs D/s (5/20/2008 11:34:09 PM)

Kinda pointless debate except for those scholarly minded about the origin of terms.  As long as we understand what the elements are how one thing does not necessarily involve another, you're just debating convention--why?

I've never heard the 3-in-1 abbr. for BDSM myself, it was always bondage, discipline, sadism, masochism.  But if you wanna broaden it to include D/s, why not?  But those four things are basically about acts, events, or orientation about pain while D/s is about relationship dynamic.  But these acts, events, etc. do carry undercurrents of D/s so that one can easily imagine the evolution of particular acts to long term lifestyles.  I mean you're bound to feel submissive, helpless when you're all tied up or disciplined or whipped.  You're bound to feel dominant (in power) if you tie her up and do whatever you feel like to her body or if you whip her.  Likewise with various plays or "kinks" like watersports, foot worship, pet play, etc.  I imagine that for many people it is this undercurrent of feeling submissive or dominant that makes these plays exciting but for whatever reason don't want that headspace present all the time as in a D/s relationship.  Others do, so they want that D/s lifestyle.  And if you think about it you don't need those activities to be in that headspace, that undercurrent can be achived by explicit power agreement.  That's what makes it kinky--yes D/s IS kinky though doesn't have to involve BDSM kink activities.  So the 50's household comparisons are misleading at best--they didn't agree to a damn thing--it was a socially conditioned practice whether you liked it or not.  If your partner AGREES with you to always obey you, that's kinky and far beyond any 50's household dynamic.  I can order her to strip naked and follow me around the yard where the neighbors might see.  That's kinky, involve no BDSM activities per se, and it couldn't be farther from any 50's household dynamic.  Wally and Beaver would've thought their parents went insane.  I mean just really think about the power you have or don't have in a D/s dynamic and it's kinky as hell regardless what specific BDSM activities you do or don't engage in.

BTW, anyone who believes in female supremacy is just an idiot as much as those who believe in male supremacy--that's like saying all females should be dominants because all females are superior.  First of all, you'd have to be a mindless sexist to believe that.  Secondly, being superior has nothing to do with who gets to be (or wants to be) dominant or submissive.  Many superior people (in intelligence, beauty, talent, strength, whatever) can enjoy and be happy in a submissive role as many inferior people can enjoy and be happy in a dominant role.  But I'm getting off the subject...




Justme696 -> RE: My thoughts on Kink vs D/s (5/21/2008 2:29:12 AM)

kink(y) seems like a fashion word.




Owner4SexSlave -> RE: My thoughts on Kink vs D/s (5/21/2008 2:47:24 AM)

Anything and everything, is a bit like looking at an Breakfast Menu.  You can choose and pick what you want.




pettingdragons -> RE: My thoughts on Kink vs D/s (5/21/2008 6:00:30 AM)

this one used to also just all clump together...over 15 years the lines have become more clear and i am more cautious about how things are worded and how they across to people, so they understand the point better. Losing the expectations of certain things to being certain ways is all apart of growing. Just because "Suzie" isn't a high protocol slave or her Master a quite domineering fellow...doesn't mean they are not M/s. You are what ever you want to be and this should be acceptable to everyone....the old antigen "please accept me for who and what i am"i used to be a poly, bisexual, switch....until Master now i am happy and content to be his slave....i have lost many friends in the change...its a strange thing..just because you are not "like" them in kink anymore you are no longer one of them....too strange...makes be feel like im in high school all over again...LOLi am a slave to Master..he dictates what our Lifestyle is....We are M/s 24/7 with lots of protocols. We also enjoy being S/m.  We enjoy control, discipline, whips, floggers, lots and lots of edge play, sensual play, the list goes on.....its what We DO, not who we are...we are a M/s lifestyle who enjoys BDsM...:)  Does that make sense or did i just open mouth insert foot again.... pettingdragons**Master Dragons considered slave**




Lumus -> RE: My thoughts on Kink vs D/s (5/21/2008 2:00:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SleepyDom

Kinda pointless debate except for those scholarly minded about the origin of terms.


I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you, Sleepy...actually, I like your approach to responding in general.  However, you did overlook one thing:  the thread title clearly states the OP is looking to express a personal opinion.  He probably wanted to encourage discourse, but I don't know what weight, if any, that would have on a personal opinion.  That's like using logic against someone's belief system; there's nothing to be gained from being Socratic.

In essence, he said, "I think"; you said, "But why"; I'm just adding on, "Because.".  Now, if only communication were practiced at such a simple, straightforward level in everyday life - there's an ideal.  [Crap.  Now I'm going off-topic.]





SleepyDom -> RE: My thoughts on Kink vs D/s (5/21/2008 7:36:56 PM)

I don't follow you Lumus.  If someone's expressing a personal opinion, you shouldn't ask "but why?"?  But why?

Ok, if he said "I have a scholarly interest in the origins and conventions of the BDSM terminologies, and my view of ..." fine, I wouldn't bother even replying as I don't have such interest and don't want to debate that.  But he didn't.  And the personal opinins (by participants) were expressed in such a way as if we're not just talking about conventions.




slavegirljoy -> RE: My thoughts on Kink vs D/s (5/21/2008 10:26:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: littlebitxxx

Now to me, I don't put the D/s with the BD-DS-SM format.  It's completely separate in my mind.  I am a bottom, I participate in bdsm.  I am not a sub with a Dom.  I think that D/s is more of a headspace, and WIITIAm, whereas bdsm is WIITIDo.  Totally separate for me.  You can have one without the other or a combination of the two.

Not only do i agree but, i also wonder, with the many on here who state emphatically that they are not a masochist and they don't "do pain", why they bother including the "SM" in there, at all.  Wouldn't it be more appropriate for them to say they are in a BD/s relationship or into BD/s?  That is, if there is even any "B" involved, otherwise it's just D/s, which is just dandy, if it's what fits.
 
joy
Owned servant of Master David




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