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MastersVoice -> Silent Voices (3/27/2008 8:49:19 AM)

Et Al:
 I find it quite disconcerning that so many so called masters/doms, misteresses/dommes do not want members of the opposite sex to speak to the person that they want to have control over.
 Are they so frightened that someone else will come along and talk that individual away from them?  If that be the case, then the it is likely the only control you have over them in the first place is FEAR and fear is NOT a factor on which to base a lasting relationship.
 To those who allow themselves to be placed in such a relationship, I caution you greatly, if a person restricts your ability to have any contact with anyone for any reason, then you should watch out for this individual for in most cases this means that they are weak.  That they are afraid that they cannot keep control of themselves let alone keep control over someone else and WILL in most cases loose their tempers when you attempt to make contact with people.  These people should be avoided at ALL COST, or at least until they have grown in their ability to trust in themselves with the confidencse that by allowing those under their control the ability to communicate with others will not jeapordize the relationship. (This does not pretain to restritions which are used during training sessions and restricted to those training sessions only, not set for a 24/7/365 factor.)
 Those who enter into any submissive or slave situation MUST remember that you should always remain true to yourself.  Your gift of surrender is very precious and MUST be earned, NOT taken or stolen away from you.
 Those who take these gifts with malice are no more than thieves and truly have NO place in our lifestyle.  To remain true to yourelf will always greatly enhance the relationship on which you and your partner or partners develop.  Be it over a few weeks, months or a lifetime. 
 However, there will be many who will not agree with this. For they are of the mind set that things in this life must be taken, slaves and subs must be brutaly forced to surrender and never allowed contact with anyone outside their so called relationship. It is also these people who you will see in most cases who continually seek new people to replace those they have used up, to replace the abused which have sought shelter elsewhere or those who have wised up enough to leave before they are forever harmed.  Further, you will also see in most cases that it is these same people who have a great deal of trouble adapting to life in general and have problems with their work life, home life and lives in dealing with those around them in general. While this may not be true in all cases it is more true than not.
 If someone is so insecure that they will not allow you to communicate with others, be very aware of that peson's on ability to communicate.  Not only with you, but with everyone in their life as well.  Be very careful of the situation of which you are about to enter and do so carefully. Communication is the key factor in ALL relationships.  Good luck in your search, your journey, your life.
As It Is,
~Masters Voice~




sirsholly -> RE: Silent Voices (3/27/2008 8:53:26 AM)

under the "learn something new daily" catagory...Large purple posts give me a headache.




Leatherist -> RE: Silent Voices (3/27/2008 8:54:55 AM)

I'm sure that it's more about chasing off wankers that aren't worth wasting any time on. Like horny college boys who are smoking pot and wanking off, instead of studying like mom and dad sent them to the university to do.

Or desperate middle aged men who think that they have some entitlement coming to them-due to thier vast knowledge and widom-gained from reading bad websites written by high school intellects. [;)]




MissHarlet -> RE: Silent Voices (3/27/2008 8:57:33 AM)

Isolating someone and protecting them are very different things.... never allow anyone to isolate you from everyone but themself ...




DesFIP -> RE: Silent Voices (3/27/2008 8:57:59 AM)

He's the least brutal person around, period. Always calm and patient with me. And I'm not supposed to talk to other doms about anything sexual, only on forum topics. Mainly he put this in after watching me struggle with how to respond politely to unwanted come ons. If I'm not allowed to respond, then there isn't any problem.

Mighty wide brush you're painting with there. Besides I can, and have, learned a lot more on various boards and talking to other female subs who will be more likely to have shared my experiences in their relationships. I doubt I'm missing out on some mystical secret of the d/s universe.




GreedyTop -> RE: Silent Voices (3/27/2008 9:02:21 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sirsholly

under the "learn something new daily" catagory...Large purple posts give me a headache.


*snort*

yeah, me too




OmegaG -> RE: Silent Voices (3/27/2008 9:09:28 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Leatherist

I'm sure that it's more about chasing off wankers that aren't worth wasting any time on. Like horny college boys who are smoking pot and wanking off, instead of studying like mom and dad sent them to the university to do.

Or desperate middle aged men who think that they have some entitlement coming to them-due to thier vast knowledge and widom-gained from reading bad websites written by high school intellects. [;)]


amen.

I have no such restriction on me, but I tell you what, some days I wish he'd do the filtering for me.




LilMissHaven -> RE: Silent Voices (3/27/2008 9:12:48 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: OmegaG

quote:

ORIGINAL: Leatherist

I'm sure that it's more about chasing off wankers that aren't worth wasting any time on. Like horny college boys who are smoking pot and wanking off, instead of studying like mom and dad sent them to the university to do.

Or desperate middle aged men who think that they have some entitlement coming to them-due to thier vast knowledge and widom-gained from reading bad websites written by high school intellects. [;)]


amen.

I have no such restriction on me, but I tell you what, some days I wish he'd do the filtering for me.


Thats why I shut my profile off.  Guess I could be accused of isolating myself.




tarnishdhaylo -> RE: Silent Voices (3/27/2008 9:15:18 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

He's the least brutal person around, period. Always calm and patient with me. And I'm not supposed to talk to other doms about anything sexual, only on forum topics. Mainly he put this in after watching me struggle with how to respond politely to unwanted come ons. If I'm not allowed to respond, then there isn't any problem.

Mighty wide brush you're painting with there. Besides I can, and have, learned a lot more on various boards and talking to other female subs who will be more likely to have shared my experiences in their relationships. I doubt I'm missing out on some mystical secret of the d/s universe.


Very well put, thank you




faerytattoodgirl -> RE: Silent Voices (3/27/2008 9:15:37 AM)

i hear voices and see dead people....want me???




OmegaG -> RE: Silent Voices (3/27/2008 9:20:10 AM)

yeah, but I'm an exobitionist at the same time.

Though in all fairness, I get far more e-mails telling me how lucky he is and complimenting my pictures and my writings or inquiring about my tatoo then I get rude or crass comments.




domahpet -> RE: Silent Voices (3/27/2008 9:21:14 AM)

i like purple, its pretty.
i isolate myself, because most
contact i get from 'doms' here
never bother to read my profile
before they write to me.




Gemini1766 -> RE: Silent Voices (3/27/2008 9:23:39 AM)

Aww, I'm sorry you felt you had to do that LilMiss. But I understand.

If it serves a purpose, then I see no problem with it, such as in the case of DESfip.




Dnomyar -> RE: Silent Voices (3/27/2008 9:30:20 AM)

I  agree with the middle aged men part. Off with their heads. Leave all the subs to us older men.




Stephann -> RE: Silent Voices (3/27/2008 9:40:16 AM)

ORIGINAL: MastersVoice

 I find it quite disconcerning that so many so called masters/doms, misteresses/dommes do not want members of the opposite sex to speak to the person that they want to have control over.
 Are they so frightened that someone else will come along and talk that individual away from them?  If that be the case, then the it is likely the only control you have over them in the first place is FEAR and fear is NOT a factor on which to base a lasting relationship.

Why do I have the feeling someone used the "My owner doesn't let me talk with men" line on you.  My slave isn't allowed to use that line, but I know it's a common method slaves use to avoid conversations with people whom they aren't interested in talking to.

Certainly, someone trying to isolate their partner socially, usually, is indicative of an unhealthy relationship.  Having said that, I am well within my rights to restrict the communication of my slave in any form I deem appropriate.  That results from the trust she places in me.

Last weekend, I was at our favorite dungeon.  I had charlotte, and two other female submissive friends all on a leash, kneeling with me in a room by ourselves.  A fellow comes up dressed in sweatpants and an ugly Tshirt, and says "hi... are you these girls Master?"  I say "well, this one's mine, and the other two are in my care tonight."  He then says "well, would you mind if I massage their feet?"  I said "no, I'm afraid their shoes are staying on tonight."  He was dejected, and wandered away.

If he had taken 20 minutes to get to know me, demonstrate to me that he's someone worth knowing, and established a rapport, I might very well have let him massage charlottes feet (she loves massages.)  But because he didn't bother with even the smallest bit of social grace, he was sent packing.

Have you considered trying to contact their owner, respectfully, engage him in conversation?

To those who allow themselves to be placed in such a relationship, I caution you greatly, if a person restricts your ability to have any contact with anyone for any reason, then you should watch out for this individual for in most cases this means that they are weak. 

Compared to the fellow giving advice on a message board because he's frustrated that all the pretties are taken?


That they are afraid that they cannot keep control of themselves let alone keep control over someone else and WILL in most cases loose their tempers when you attempt to make contact with people. 
These people should be avoided at ALL COST, or at least until they have grown in their ability to trust in themselves with the confidencse that by allowing those under their control the ability to communicate with others will not jeapordize the relationship. (This does not pretain to restritions which are used during training sessions and restricted to those training sessions only, not set for a 24/7/365 factor.)

Riiiiight.........

 Those who enter into any submissive or slave situation MUST remember that you should always remain true to yourself.  Your gift of surrender is very precious and MUST be earned, NOT taken or stolen away from you.

And if being true to yourself is to adhere to social interaction restrictions that were mutually agreed upon?

 Those who take these gifts with malice are no more than thieves and truly have NO place in our lifestyle.  To remain true to yourelf will always greatly enhance the relationship on which you and your partner or partners develop.  Be it over a few weeks, months or a lifetime. 
 However, there will be many who will not agree with this. For they are of the mind set that things in this life must be taken, slaves and subs must be brutaly forced to surrender and never allowed contact with anyone outside their so called relationship.

Reading this will probably make charlotte hot.....

It is also these people who you will see in most cases who continually seek new people to replace those they have used up, to replace the abused which have sought shelter elsewhere or those who have wised up enough to leave before they are forever harmed. 

And hotter........

Further, you will also see in most cases that it is these same people who have a great deal of trouble adapting to life in general and have problems with their work life, home life and lives in dealing with those around them in general. While this may not be true in all cases it is more true than not.

Compared to people who rant on message boards?

 If someone is so insecure that they will not allow you to communicate with others, be very aware of that peson's on ability to communicate.  Not only with you, but with everyone in their life as well.  Be very careful of the situation of which you are about to enter and do so carefully. Communication is the key factor in ALL relationships.  Good luck in your search, your journey, your life.
As It Is,
~Masters Voice~

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Stephan





RCdc -> RE: Silent Voices (3/27/2008 9:44:46 AM)

Dear MastersVoice.
There is so much wrong with your post, and the font isn't one of them.  I checked your profile and realised your age and your spiritual path may be a reason why you feel this way.  But really, really bad advice in so many different ways - which is a pity because the core of your post is reasonable.  I wanted to be able to say something positive, but cannot.
 
the.dark.




Madame4a -> RE: Silent Voices (3/27/2008 9:46:56 AM)

well done





faerytattoodgirl -> RE: Silent Voices (3/27/2008 9:48:47 AM)

quote:

Reading this will probably make charlotte hot.....


she's already HOT [8|][8|][8|]




MissHarlet -> RE: Silent Voices (3/27/2008 9:49:18 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LilMissHaven

quote:

ORIGINAL: OmegaG

quote:

ORIGINAL: Leatherist

I'm sure that it's more about chasing off wankers that aren't worth wasting any time on. Like horny college boys who are smoking pot and wanking off, instead of studying like mom and dad sent them to the university to do.

Or desperate middle aged men who think that they have some entitlement coming to them-due to thier vast knowledge and widom-gained from reading bad websites written by high school intellects. [;)]


amen.

I have no such restriction on me, but I tell you what, some days I wish he'd do the filtering for me.


Thats why I shut my profile off.  Guess I could be accused of isolating myself.


Isolating yourself is totally different as it is your choice and not for control purposes ... and not unhealthy in my opinion but at times self preservation




LilMissHaven -> RE: Silent Voices (3/27/2008 9:58:23 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissHarlet

quote:

ORIGINAL: LilMissHaven

quote:

ORIGINAL: OmegaG

quote:

ORIGINAL: Leatherist

I'm sure that it's more about chasing off wankers that aren't worth wasting any time on. Like horny college boys who are smoking pot and wanking off, instead of studying like mom and dad sent them to the university to do.

Or desperate middle aged men who think that they have some entitlement coming to them-due to thier vast knowledge and widom-gained from reading bad websites written by high school intellects. [;)]


amen.

I have no such restriction on me, but I tell you what, some days I wish he'd do the filtering for me.


Thats why I shut my profile off.  Guess I could be accused of isolating myself.


Isolating yourself is totally different as it is your choice and not for control purposes ... and not unhealthy in my opinion but at times self preservation


Thats exactly it!  Self preservation.  I know a lot of girls who use the "My Master won't let me speak to other Dom's" when they felt uncomfortable.  I also know some Dom's my X being one of them who do not like their girl speaking to other Dom's during the first few weeks of training and honestly I'm not sure thats such a bad practice.  You take a brand new girl like I was and allow others to put their two cents in and everyone's two cents is in a different currency your gonna have nothing but confusion.  And maybe its just me but I feel those first few initial weeks where I was not allowed to speak to other Dom's about anything lifestyle orientated was beneficial.

I have always been encouraged to speak openly to experiances subs and slaves even during the first few weeks of training.  I honestly prefer to speak to subs or well women in general.

For right now its just that I don't want to submit...its that easy I don't want to and I get all these emails...You need to submit to ME ME ME ME ME ME ME

So, I decided to cut my stress levels.




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