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kittinSol -> RE: those damn illegals (3/29/2008 6:28:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse I DETEST the use of the word alien in this context! I have friends that work for the INS and they also dislike it. They all have hats and t-shirts, that have little alien heads embroidered on them. It is a humorous way of dealing with their distaste. I just saw your post, Tigresse. I've been making jokes about the Rockwell experiment for nearly a year now [:D] .

caitlyn -> RE: those damn illegals (3/29/2008 6:28:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SeeksOnlyOne caitlyn theres nothing special about this case, except i know the parties involved and chose to share it..... Well, you know one side. I left the statement open-ended for a reason. There may be a cop with a hardon for her. There may be some people wishing to use this as a political football.

LaTigresse -> RE: those damn illegals (3/29/2008 6:34:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Caitlyn's suggestion is valid: why not legalise the status of all these paperless people and make them into fully fledged human beings? That would mean, in the sea of negativity, we focus on the positive side of the issue. They would be subject to all the responsibilities of being a US citizen.........like paying taxes and social security. Seems like a win win to me. But what do I know?

Level -> RE: those damn illegals (3/29/2008 6:35:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SeeksOnlyOne thank gawd for herbal therapy on a saturday am....the windows are open and the birds are chirping and its gonna be a wonderful day in the neighborhood. I hope you have a good one [;)]

EPGAH -> RE: those damn illegals (3/29/2008 6:35:35 AM)
We tried that already in 1986, and it just resulted in...More of the same! Only on a MUCH larger scale! Now instead of 2-3 MILLION illegals, we have an EIGHT-digit number of illegals. The number shifts up when they're DEMANDING things of America, and want to appear to be a massive number, and the number shifts DOWN when they want sympathy from the Americans, playing the victim card. Not everyone who comes into America SHOULD come in. I agree that the laws should be simplified, but breaking in because it's too hard to come in legally is akin to someone smashing in through your window because you'd locked the door. You don't WANT that person in! And again, do you REALLY want the perception, "If you break in, but manage to SUCCESSFULLY hide for X years, you'll be legalized"? Or worse, the perception, "If you breed, you'll be allowed to stay because the Americans are too kind-hearted to break up your family"?

SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: those damn illegals (3/29/2008 6:36:29 AM)
true enough.....i can only speak for the sincerity of those i talk with that are involved with this......and theyre in it simply from a humanity aspect. i too think they should offer a day of amnesty. or a week or a month....you sign up and you have to do a b c and d in a set time to become a citizen. id make a learning english my self. but i think we all know you cant unring a bell, and this ones been rang for years. we need to come up with something to offer those who have been here so long a way to stay with no fear.

kittinSol -> RE: those damn illegals (3/29/2008 6:37:54 AM)
The rules of demagogy make it impossible for the political powers to do something positive towards a group of people the rest of the population has made into the scapegoat for all their problems.

camille65 -> RE: those damn illegals (3/29/2008 6:38:23 AM)
Yup. By not doing anything for so long we have created this problem. It seems no one can agree on what to do about it either.[:(]About the amnesty.. wasn't this done a few years ago?

caitlyn -> RE: those damn illegals (3/29/2008 6:38:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Caitlyn's suggestion is valid: why not legalise the status of all these paperless people and make them into fully fledged human beings? The problem is very regional though. California has the most illegals and is nearly at the point of financial crisis because of the numbers. If the numbers increase, there will be trouble. Texas and Arizona would be in a total financial crisis, if these illegals were deported.

Level -> RE: those damn illegals (3/29/2008 6:45:47 AM)
quote: I just did my taxes. Last years taxable income was $7000.00 plus change. My out of pocket medical ALONE for last year was $16,000.00. No longer can I pay my prop taxes. None of my meds are covered by those $4 prescriptions. I qualify for NO assistance even though my doctor has labeled me as fully disabled. I am now without heat. I have shut off notices for each utility I use. I'm scared as hell about my future, scared to the point where every single day I cry and worry myself sick. If I were the type to give up I would because I am just fucking exhausted. Yes I am angry. Yes things are unfair for an awful lot of people everywhere. *hugssssssss* Wish I could offer more, my friend.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: those damn illegals (3/29/2008 6:49:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan I honestly think the whole term 'illegal alien' should be recatergorised. I, personally, find it offensive and does a great injustice to many, such as the woman in the OP, who were brought to the US and other countries, as children. Yeah Criminal Immigrant would work better, as they are in violation of the law. Hurting peoples delicate feelings should not be a factor in addressing the issue.

kittinSol -> RE: those damn illegals (3/29/2008 6:51:02 AM)
Ah, Wolf, we all know your bark's worse than your bite :-) . Sure you don't fancy an Encounter of the Third Kind [8D] ?

MissMorrigan -> RE: those damn illegals (3/29/2008 6:53:01 AM)
I tend to think that one blanket law applicable to all does, in essence, create many injustices whereas each case should be looked at on an individual basis. I think the point of this entire thread is not to look at people entering the country illegally, but those who have found themselves there by default, those whose families brought them there as children and who have continued to reside in that country ever since. I fail to see why it is these people should be returned to a country, they were originally born into, they do not know, have few to no ties... how is that justice? I do not believe that allowing people in the OP's case to become legal citizens would 'encourage' others to have larger families as some form of citizenry insurance policy. One can hardly encourage a culture to do something which comes naturally in any case [;)] I am, of course, referring to having large families. quote: ORIGINAL: camille65 it is also the law. How can we pick and choose who we apply the law to?If we say 'Well, those with families should be able to stay' then do you not think that would encourage more illegal workers to have large families as insurance? Oh, and its freaking unfair that you can herbalize yourself with open windows while I have snow on the ground! I edited this because my personal life isn't germaine to the discussion.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: those damn illegals (3/29/2008 6:53:15 AM)
If her home meant that much to her, then why did she not address the issue before the authorities did? You cannot give a free pass on this, just because it includes the emotional issue of "children being seperated from their mother". That emotional issue occurs every day her in the US, by citizens and no one gets up in arms about it. This emotional issue should not be used as an excuse to disregard the law, but it should be an example that the laws need to be revised in conjunction with securing the border. quote: ORIGINAL: SeeksOnlyOne camille i see your point....to a point. but do you really really, thinking with all you have, think that someone who was brought her at the age of 5, a child, thinks of living her life where she was raised as bucking the system? i think she, and many others like her, are just living their lives, in the place to them that is, in their heart if not in the laws, simply their home. it just has me rethinking so many things that i considered absolutes in my beliefs before. but in terms of her "crime", i think if the world was fair, at the least every illegal construction worker who who came here as an adult, knowing they were chancing it to cross that border, and the companies that hire them should be taken care of before we take care of this great national threat of a mom and her babies. we pick and choose what we enforce, and that is part of what has my ass chapped about this entire thing right now. thank gawd for herbal therapy on a saturday am....the windows are open and the birds are chirping and its gonna be a wonderful day in the neighborhood. happy weekend all edited to add i saw where you said not to this particular case, but still wanted to start the thinking on how we enforce laws.

SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: those damn illegals (3/29/2008 6:56:21 AM)
but i can have an emotional only reaction only to it. not something i choose to do, or something i thought a couple of years ago i would have. its the only reaction i am capable of. does this make me right or wrong? no.......it makes me.....well......me......and i cant and wont apologize for that.

MissMorrigan -> RE: those damn illegals (3/29/2008 6:58:50 AM)
That's right, criminalise children for the acts their parents committed. How logical! At what age in the US can a child be tried as an adult? My comment is asinine, but then in keeping with the suggestion they are criminals. Once these 'criminals' have been located, do you recommend branding (think the heated metal option would be beneficial here?) them with their new-found status quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf quote: ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan I honestly think the whole term 'illegal alien' should be recatergorised. I, personally, find it offensive and does a great injustice to many, such as the woman in the OP, who were brought to the US and other countries, as children. Yeah Criminal Immigrant would work better, as they are in violation of the law. Hurting peoples delicate feelings should not be a factor in addressing the issue.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: those damn illegals (3/29/2008 6:59:42 AM)
We all get emotional about certain things in life, it is part of being human. This is exactly why a society needs to live by a rule of law though. On a seperate note, the pines are having precum as the slight yellow haze can be seen of a morning. The full fledged yellow snow should arrive in a week or two.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: those damn illegals (3/29/2008 7:02:26 AM)
Oh my what of the children?!!! Sorry won't fly with me. Just because it hurts someone feelings we should soften the truth? Make your extreme statements and indictments and prove how emotional and irrational you can be. In violation of the law makes you a criminal. I am a criminal every time I drive the interstate. See it doesn't hurt at all if you use a true statement, even on yourself. quote: ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan That's right, criminalise children for the acts their parents committed. How logical! At what age in the US can a child be tried as an adult? My comment is asinine, but then in keeping with the suggestion they are criminals. Once these 'criminals' have been located, do you recommend branding (think the heated metal option would be beneficial here?) them with their new-found status quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf quote: ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan I honestly think the whole term 'illegal alien' should be recatergorised. I, personally, find it offensive and does a great injustice to many, such as the woman in the OP, who were brought to the US and other countries, as children. Yeah Criminal Immigrant would work better, as they are in violation of the law. Hurting peoples delicate feelings should not be a factor in addressing the issue.

SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: those damn illegals (3/29/2008 7:03:10 AM)
yep-the precum has commenced for sure......spring in atlanta......its so yeller-lol

MissMorrigan -> RE: those damn illegals (3/29/2008 7:04:26 AM)
Ever put off something you know you ought to have done only for it to bite you in the arse at a later date as a result? I'm sure we all have. What derails us from acting immediately... Life, pure and simple. An overworked mother caring for eight kids... it's a busy life and every hour not working is an hour not earning. I agree that the emotional issue should be removed from this case and I do not see that as a factor in many of those, including myself, whose views differ greatly from yours and anyone else that shares your viewpoint, Wolf. Believing that cases should be treated on an individual basis cannot be considered an emotional response, but one of logic. quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf If her home meant that much to her, then why did she not address the issue before the authorities did? You cannot give a free pass on this, just because it includes the emotional issue of "children being seperated from their mother". That emotional issue occurs every day her in the US, by citizens and no one gets up in arms about it. This emotional issue should not be used as an excuse to disregard the law, but it should be an example that the laws need to be revised in conjunction with securing the border.

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