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NorthernGent -> RE: Giving yourself (3/29/2008 4:43:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: marieToo

Risk means that you might get hurt.......How can it be managed? 



Use your napper, Marie........there's a risk you'll get knocked over crossing the road, but I'm guessing you'll manage it.......




adoracat -> RE: Giving yourself (3/29/2008 5:34:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHathor

We see many stories about failed relationships, bad Doms, bad subs, bad decisions---
 
I wonder---submissives--do you give yourself faster in this life than you would in a vanilla relationship?

edited for bad spelling


whats the perceived difference?  i met wolf may 25th, 1992, married him june 10, 1992.  we're getting divorced now.  i think its the best thing we could have done for the relationship, we're able to still be good to one another as we back off from this failed marriage.

i have always jumped in with both feet, given of my heart and affection generously, of my body less so...but still generously when the time came.

its the relationship that matters to me, not the "flavor" of it.

kitten, thoughtfully




NorthernGent -> RE: Giving yourself (3/30/2008 1:33:43 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHathor

We see many stories about failed relationships, bad Doms, bad subs, bad decisions---
 
I wonder---submissives--do you give yourself faster in this life than you would in a vanilla relationship?

edited for bad spelling


I would strongly advise against it.

Fail to prepare; prepare to fail.




StormsSlave -> RE: Giving yourself (3/30/2008 2:07:43 AM)

I am just skeptical in general, having been burned too many times.  My Lord has expressed the same  Since this relationship with My Lord started in the vanilla realm, I have to answer with a resounding and definite, "Fuck if I know."

I do feel a closer intimacy and a deeper honesty than I have ever known, but who's to know if it might not have been that way without the ol' slap and tickle?  It probably has more to do with him and me then anything else.

For us, we love the sex, but it's the honesty that holds us together, and it's that honesty that makes the profound difference for me in this relationship from the others I've had.  I don't believe that has anything to do with BDSM.   I think it's just the two of us together.  The closeness we share lets me give myself to him without reservation, but that took nearly a year.  His patience and persistence, and my willingness to try, try again has made the sex so outstanding.  [:D]





lubegirl -> RE: Giving yourself (3/30/2008 9:54:18 AM)

Great topic! At 34 and never married all of my previous relations were "vanilla"  and they never worked out because i craved a MAN that i could respect that would make me quiver wet with desire when pleasing, serving and obeying.
i was asleep until i met HIM! i  have been very fortunate because my MASTER is my first and last one and only MASTER! HE is very POWERFUL and experienced in POWER EROTICS and HE cares about my psychological and physical well being and is moving the training and relationship in a manner that is graceful and I have already given myself to HIM...i happily will do anything for MASTER.
Master also said i make a lousy girlfriend, but an excellent slave and it is true. HE is smarter than me so ofcourse HE is right!
 
I LOVE YOU SIR!
At YOUR feet,
slave
 




metalmiss -> RE: Giving yourself (3/30/2008 10:26:40 AM)

Interesting question.. But i think how fast i commit myself depends more on the individuality of the Person i am involved with.. Not whether they are Dominant or vanilla.




colouredin -> RE: Giving yourself (3/30/2008 10:29:19 AM)

Nope, I will throw myself at anything either way




MissHarlet -> RE: Giving yourself (3/30/2008 10:47:28 AM)

I tend to be very cautious now .. and was not always this way ..... I think it is because that my relationships now tend to be nonvanilla .. and I have learned that they are deeper and involve more trust and responsibility to me .  




Semos -> RE: Giving yourself (3/30/2008 10:56:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHathor
I wonder---submissives--do you give yourself faster in this life than you would in a vanilla relationship?

edited for bad spelling
Lady Hathor, live a little "wander if submassives--do".  Ok, I hope your not offended, but I do try to be funny once in a while.

Most everything I encounter or at least is important to me, I try to quantify.  In this case let;s assume a scale level of 1 to 10, 1 meaning not dominant at all and 10 meaning very dominant.  I would say and just from my own experince in the vanilla world most ladies to be 4.  Yes, I would give myself quicker here as my assumption is most here would consider themselves to be a 8.  Significantly closer to the type of personality that is best suited to me.




Missokyst -> RE: Giving yourself (3/30/2008 11:27:56 AM)

Nope.  I am the same in or out of bdsm.  I don't come easy.  I don't jump in without looking first, though I will jump into the deep end once I have checked things out.  I never commit to someone until I am ready.  And my relationships have always been over 5 yrs or better.
Kyst




littlebitxxx -> RE: Giving yourself (3/30/2008 11:29:29 AM)

I wouldn't say I "give" myself any faster than I would in a nilla relationship, but I will tend to move a lot faster toward that decision.  I just find that discussing and negotiating go a lot faster in this lifestyle than it would in a more normal setting.  More open?  I don't know.  But to discuss sexual likes and dislikes, and other matters of import to a "normal" nilla dude doesn't happen very soon, if at all.  Most nilla people I've talked to are pretty reticent about opening up parts of their life for discussion and are shocked when I do.  And I certainly love the Net for this stuff....takes all the hassle out of the dating scene.




Veexen -> RE: Giving yourself (3/30/2008 2:21:11 PM)

I've only ever had vanilla relationships - until very recently - and have always jumped in with both feet first, wanting desperately for it to work 'this time'. I've had many failed relationships and a disasterous marriage and have suffered because of them. However, not so much because of the jumping in too fast, or committing myself too fast. It was more to do with the fact that I didn't understand what it was that I needed, so I kept choosing the wrong type of man for me. I chose men who were not naturally dominant and then tried, without understanding fully what I was doing and certainly without being able to communicate with them about it in any meaningful way, to be submissive. This led to the relationship either failing because I was considered to be too high maintanance and too needy or it failed because instead of dominating me they bullied or abused.

All my past relationships (vanilla) started with no discussion about what either party wanted or needed or hoped for out of the relationship. We simply met, decided we liked/fancied each other and started a relationship hoping that it might go somewhere.

But I now understand I have specific needs and desires, and I am learning how to communicate them. So maybe, I'm hoping, in this sort of relationship, a D/s relationship, that this time things might be different. The fact that I met my Dom through what was basically an advert and that our very first conversation was about our needs and wants and desires can, in my opinion, only be a good and healthy thing. We discussed it all again at our first meeting, along with what we each hoped for from a relationship. So much more open and honest than any vanilla first date I've ever had, that's for sure. I have again jumped into a relationship quickly. But this time maybe not so blindly.

I have become emotionally attached very quickly and at times find it difficult to cope with. However, the fact that my Dom understands the levels of emotions involved in this sort of relationship, has listened to what I've said about my past relationships, and cares about me, is helping me to trust him. It certainly gives me hope that this relationship might actually so somewhere.

Anything worth having is worth a risk. Being open and honest about what we feel and need is scary because it makes us vulnerable. I think it can also make us strong though, because knowing ourselves well enough to admit to what we need is a strength. I know from experience though that to reveal too much to the wrong person can backfire big time. I've had my weaknesses and vulnerability used against me as a weapon more than once.
It's made it harder to trust and harder to believe in my own self-worth. It's easier sometimes to believe the bad things someone says about you than the good things.

But no, in general I'd say that jumping in - trusting and believing and wanting a relationship to work is a good thing - maybe I speak with great naivety here - but I do believe there are more good people out there than bad - I believe that love exists and I believe that in a relationship that starts off as honest and open as the D/s one I'm in - then there is certainly hope.







daddyncherry -> RE: Giving yourself (3/30/2008 2:35:17 PM)

i gave everything MUCH MUCH slower in this realtionship than in any of my nilla ones...

#1. i'm older and hopefully a wee bit wiser.

#2. It was my first full fledged M/s relationship so for me, i had to consider ALOT of things.

#3. i had been involved with someone for many many years prior to thisrelationship so i was a big out of touch with dating and that made me cautious.

#4. It was my very first ever relationship that began online.


i used to give myself much faster with others....but i wanted to give my Daddy more of me, a part of me that no one had ever wanted or deserved....So yeah, i was careful.




LPslittleclip -> RE: Giving yourself (4/10/2008 9:57:28 PM)

i am usually slow to give myself up but after i learn to trust the person i give myself fully its just who I'm am.




katie978 -> RE: Giving yourself (4/10/2008 10:11:49 PM)

    I'd say that probably most folks are about the same, whether the relationship is BDSM or not.

   There are still those who throw themselves into any relationship, declare themselves in love before they even meet, and are inevitably hurt when the fantasy person they love turns into an actual person. They're frequently hurt furthur when they wind up "in love" with some weasel who will use this blind devotion to manipulate and play them.

  There are also those who wait and wait and wait to decide and declare any feelings whatsoever, who remain wary throughout entire relationships. They're so afraid of getting hurt that they hold themselves away from any of those fluffier emotions.

   I like to think I'm in the middle. I try and let logic (or at least only lust) reign for a little while, until I get the feel of the person. I've been a bit more on the side of the first type of crazies in bdsm relationships than I have been in the past, but that may be more case-specific than BDSM-specific.




madshysoul -> RE: Giving yourself (4/10/2008 11:09:28 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHathor

We see many stories about failed relationships, bad Doms, bad subs, bad decisions---
 
I wonder---submissives--do you give yourself faster in this life than you would in a vanilla relationship?

edited for bad spelling


I guess it would depend on your context for 'give'.

If you're asking whether I'm willing to have a physical relationship with BDSM-aware folk more quickly....then yes. I make this choice because in my opinion we all speak a relatively common language as to the "rules?" of those things. I can approach someone at a party, play with them, and walk away with the mutual understanding that the 'relationship' exists only for the time that we play. I know that, and they know that. Everyone goes home happy. This is not a common understanding (in my experience) in most non-BDSM-aware folk.

Now if you're asking whether I'm willing to have a long-standing, emotionally/psychologically involved relationship...maybe.

The thing I find with kink-folk is there is a common attitude toward discussion of needs/wants/psychological health and what both parties need/want from a relationship. I've observed much more up-front discussion of important relationship qualities in this world than I have elsewhere. IMHO, this makes for a stronger relationship foundation out the gate. If I find someone who thinks like me on the importance of these types of discussions, then I'm likely to let the relationship go deeper, faster.

...and if they don't think like me on it, then there isn't likely to be much of a relationship at all.




eyesopened -> RE: Giving yourself (4/11/2008 2:26:50 AM)

i watch my single barely adult offspring in his dating habits and it seems the young females consider one dinner and a movie a long-term relationship or else he's only dated psychos.  So perhaps age and maturity are a factor whether 'vanilla' or not.

i've always been a bit of a committment-phobe myself (didn't get married until i was 30) and i will admit that i jumped right in to experience BDSM activities but specifically did not want a committed relationship right at the get-go.  So....if someone wanted to experience the physical and mental aspects of bondage or sensual pain or whatever, but think they must be in a romantically bonded relationship in order to experience this, then that could be a receipe for going too fast.  i don't know if i'm making any sense.




topIrishsubm -> RE: Giving yourself (4/11/2008 6:23:52 AM)

Being a submissive man I found it impossible to give myself in myself in previous vanilla relationships. I found that generally being a submissive man does not fit the architecture of traditional relationships and what my girlfriends expected of me in that relationship. It wasn’t that I didn’t want to give myself but the relationships always felt uneasy, it ultimately left me highly sceptical of loving relationships. I didn’t feel I could be with anyone.

As to my current D/s relationship, I did fall and give myself relatively quickly. I asked that my submission be accepted after about 4 weeks and had pretty much fallen in love after a couple of months. I guess I did give myself a lot faster, but it was for the first time in my life that everything felt right, and of course there was the risk of ruin and it scared the sh*t out of me. Thankfully, it was the best decision I’ve made.
As to your question, the answer is Yes, but the pre-text to your question gives it an unnatural bias. We are far more likely to hear the bad stories than the good.




Dnomyar -> RE: Giving yourself (4/11/2008 7:43:43 AM)

From a Doms' (mine) point of view. The answer is YES. It is someting that I still have'nt gotten used to.




Daddyslilpookie -> RE: Giving yourself (4/11/2008 8:45:49 AM)

Well I gave my self fairly fast in a regular relationship before Daddy and I got into D/s which was two about 5 years and a year of seperation after, it will 6 years in December. We married three months after we met, but we knew it was meant to be.




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