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Women's Views, tf for some women - 4/1/2008 7:38:09 AM   
Aneirin


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http://www.backlash-uk.org.uk/womensviews.html

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RE: Women's Views, tf for some women - 4/1/2008 7:42:25 AM   
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Having read what the Bill said, I have to ask (unless the Act is different) - whats the issue?

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RE: Women's Views, tf for some women - 4/1/2008 7:43:20 AM   
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I get the gist of the link , but what is your personal point?

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RE: Women's Views, tf for some women - 4/1/2008 7:43:50 AM   
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Good site, Aneirin!

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RE: Women's Views, tf for some women - 4/1/2008 7:44:54 AM   
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Why do you think it's a good site?

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RE: Women's Views, tf for some women - 4/1/2008 7:52:25 AM   
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Does there have to be a point, why not a celebration ?

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RE: Women's Views, tf for some women - 4/1/2008 7:56:58 AM   
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What do you want to celebrate? Mainstream erotica? Violent pornography? Degrading online images?
Feminists Against Censorship?



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RE: Women's Views, tf for some women - 4/1/2008 8:04:47 AM   
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Perhaps freedom of choice, truth over lies, freedom over control.

A law designed to restrict us all for the protection of women,

a minority reaction  from those who are heard as being more knowledgeable than the rest,

people who may themselves, may have no experience ,but know better  than those that are.

This month maybe we will know.


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RE: Women's Views, tf for some women - 4/1/2008 8:08:32 AM   
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Hmmm... interesting that extreme and violent pornography is used as a rallying flag for civil rights and freedom.

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RE: Women's Views, tf for some women - 4/1/2008 8:15:22 AM   
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The freedom to view is about the freedom to choose.

If you do not wish to view, then that is your choice.

Some seek to erode our personal choice.


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RE: Women's Views, tf for some women - 4/1/2008 8:18:19 AM   
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The Bill proposed to outlaw images showing serious injury or the danger of serious injury - serious injury is the description used for grievious bodily harm (GBH) charges and legal proceedings and constitutes something far more than anything that most would regard as "safe" as per SSC.

The Bill proposed to outlaw images only concerning certain parts of the body - anus, breasts and genitals. This despite its origin being in the case of a man who supposedly strangled a woman after viewing supposedly erotic pornography concerned with such act.

The Bill proposed to outlaw images only if they were pornographic in intent.

So, unless the Act was totally different, the images banned would have to be
a) pornographic, and
b) of breasts, anus or genitals, and
c) depict breasts, anus or genitals being subjected to or having been subjected to serious injury as defined by grievious bodily harm - ie, something more than a tap (common assault), something more than most of us consider "safe" (actual bodily harm/ABH - which is the most that most of us could be charged with)

Aside from this bit the rest (which concerns animals and corpses) I hope would be of no concern to us?

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RE: Women's Views, tf for some women - 4/1/2008 8:23:36 AM   
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Extract from the Bill

(6)   

An “extreme image” is an image of any of the following—
(a)   an act which threatens or appears to threaten a person’s life,
(b)   an act which results in or appears to result (or be likely to result) in
serious injury to a person’s anus, breasts or genitals,
(c)   an act which involves or appears to involve sexual interference with a
human corpse,
(d)   a person performing or appearing to perform an act of intercourse or
oral sex with an animal,

where (in each case) any such act, person or animal depicted in the image is or
appears to be real.

edited because the spacing went rather strange....

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RE: Women's Views, tf for some women - 4/1/2008 8:36:30 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

The Bill proposed to outlaw images showing serious injury or the danger of serious injury - serious injury is the description used for grievious bodily harm (GBH) charges and legal proceedings and constitutes something far more than anything that most would regard as "safe" as per SSC.

Well bang goes just about every adventure and war film

The Bill proposed to outlaw images only concerning certain parts of the body - anus, breasts and genitals. This despite its origin being in the case of a man who supposedly strangled a woman after viewing supposedly erotic pornography concerned with such act.

Well I guess there's nothing new under the sun in regards to the British culture police.


The Bill proposed to outlaw images only if they were pornographic in intent.

So, unless the Act was totally different, the images banned would have to be
a) pornographic, and
b) of breasts, anus or genitals, and
c) depict breasts, anus or genitals being subjected to or having been subjected to serious injury as defined by grievious bodily harm - ie, something more than a tap (common assault), something more than most of us consider "safe" (actual bodily harm/ABH - which is the most that most of us could be charged with)

This is a case of do as I say, not as I do. We all know that half of the house of Commons and half the judiciary are into buggery, spanking and breast torture.


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RE: Women's Views, tf for some women - 4/1/2008 8:36:46 AM   
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I was gonna say, there was a big ho ha about this a while back but actually they are trying to get rid off all the really gross stuff and then it all died down because actually it doesnt really affect most people, I mean sure hun freedom of speech and all that but seriously sometimes I think people protest purely because it gives them something to do of an afternoon

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RE: Women's Views, tf for some women - 4/1/2008 8:48:35 AM   
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I wonder why those who like extreme porn so much don't just all webcam themselves inserting hedgehogs up their own rectums, if that's what turns them on.

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RE: Women's Views, tf for some women - 4/1/2008 8:53:23 AM   
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violent pornography

mmmmmm

being flogged in the nude....

wooo!



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RE: Women's Views, tf for some women - 4/1/2008 8:55:00 AM   
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See KS thats something I would love to see, oh no thats not gonna be banned though is it? :P

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RE: Women's Views, tf for some women - 4/1/2008 8:56:19 AM   
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Darling, you are forbidden from attempting anything of the sort. Am I understood?

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RE: Women's Views, tf for some women - 4/1/2008 8:59:21 AM   
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The problem has never been the intent of the law but the way it will be enforced. How many people have been falsely charged with something because the police don’t have the correct understanding of a law?

You may all be comfortable going to court and proving yourself innocent but by that point your life may already be over due to the stigma it has caused you.

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RE: Women's Views, tf for some women - 4/1/2008 8:59:36 AM   
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The only room for interpretation - whereby one might get bothered - is on what definition they are using for "serious injury". However, I checked this back last time this subject came up, and the Crown Prosecution Service website was most helpful with its descriptions of the three forms of assault (common assault, ABH and GBH); they only use "serious injury" once, and that is in relation to the required degree of injury to constitute GBH. It would therefore be incongruous to hold that the requisite "serious injury" of the Bill could be satisfied by any degree of injury short of that required for a charge of GBH.

And I have to say, that causing anyone "serious injury" - meaning broken bones, puncture wounds and the like, is not something I would consider as part of a fun session nor as suitable subject matter for pornography, but as always some may think differently.

The biggest and most serious danger to us I feel is the accidental or incidental viewing of images which fall foul of this - those who frequent certain overseas websites will be at especial risk. Secondary but equally serious is the risk we run in terms of the reactions of those we live with and amongst, should we be (even if erroneously) arrested for such viewing - not the least of which would be the inevitable interest of social services with regard to the welfare of any offspring one has.

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