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cjan -> RE: Im not sure what to think about this.. (4/2/2008 4:42:48 PM)
Chill, Kirren, its bunk. Just another conspiracy fraud to scare folks and get them worked up and, maybe buy more guns . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Union

GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Im not sure what to think about this.. (4/2/2008 5:13:06 PM)
I don't disagree, thornhappy, that there are misguided folk out there who thnk that they can manipulate a timeline by forcing things to happen, i..e. desire for more wars and rumors of wars, etc. I find it laughable because no one can second guess God. Only S/he knows. However, we have been told what to look for so that we know the time is near. The first thing was to be the re-establishment of Israel as a nation, and that occurred in 1948. It is said that all these things will come to pass before that generation has passed. Much of the guesswork is based on that generation born in the time period covering 1948 in conjunction with the new birth of Israel in 1948. So then they take the typical generation of avergae time 40 years. That brings us to 1988. hmmmmm... The important things to think about are all the signs given. There have been man y times in history when people have pointed to the end times, or this and that definitely must mean thus and so. shrug (I shrug a lot *Smile) This is the first time in the history of the world that we are actually technilogically capable, politically capable, and population distressed enough on a worldwide basis to logically see that all these things can happen, and happen easily. I am a person of faith. I believe what I believe. I would not be throwing a vote away on Ron Paul in '08 if I thought that voting for Hilary, Obama or John Mc would hurry things along. I am not that arrogant. I have said it before, and I will say it again. If this does not occur in My lifetime, and I close My eyes for the final time, if there is nothing, then I am no worse off. I will never know the difference. However, if there is something (and I believe there is), then I prefer to be on the right side. But I see more and more of the necessary tools being put into place every day. (Easy acceptance of verichips, national ID's, political correctness and a shrinking globe with more and more cries for a governemnt that will take away all the difficulties of making it on your own). And I see the people embracing it as if it will solve all their problems and create the Utopia on earth they think they can achieve. It's right there in everyone's face. There will be no leg to stand on in the end, as the knowledge is there for anyone who is open to it.

HopeLost -> RE: Im not sure what to think about this.. (4/2/2008 8:03:52 PM)
yes. lets all call it a conspiracy theory. this way we can all go back to our lives of computers and clothes and keeping up with the jones'.

kittinSol -> RE: Im not sure what to think about this.. (4/2/2008 8:08:51 PM)
I knew someone, somewhere, was going to mention Israel on this thread - Israel is at the center of the universe, for conspiracy theorists. It's just... sad.

cjan -> RE: Im not sure what to think about this.. (4/2/2008 8:13:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HopeLost yes. lets all call it a conspiracy theory. this way we can all go back to our lives of computers and clothes and keeping up with the jones'. Well, computers and the internet are wonderfull tools . But ya gotta use them to get the info that's out there. There are plenty of sites that are out there that debunk conspiracy theories, politicians lies and innacuracies, medical claims , rumors, etc.All ya have to do is LOOK.

MontrealPhoenix -> RE: Im not sure what to think about this.. (4/2/2008 8:14:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/nau.asp http://www.snopes.com/politics/traffic/realid.asp Thanks, celticlord, i thought this didn't sound right. Especially since there is a new law that Canadian citizens need to show a passport or such when crossing into the US.

Kirren -> RE: Im not sure what to think about this.. (4/2/2008 10:20:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Get all worked up over utter bullshit like this movie but real issues facing the US and you're truly ignorant. The President was told the he doesn't have to obey the US Constitution: http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/DOJ/story?id=4569746&page=1 The DoJ prosecuted a political opponent of Karl Rove: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/29/us/29alabama.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=siegelman&st=nyt&oref=slogin The Bush administration wants to greatly expand the powers of the federal reserve rather than allowing existing regulatory agencies to do their jobs: http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSN0121706120080402 Speaking of the fed, the Federal Reserve bailed out an investment bank that invested too heavily in sub prime mortgage securities but no action is being taken at the federal level to keep people in their homes. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/02/opinion/main3988999.shtml But you should definitely keep worrying about silly crap you found on youtube. I didnt find it it was sent to Me....and I was asking for proof or debunking so...really theres no need to be snarky about it. Thats the first thing...and as I stated, I am always open to new things, so ...thanks for the info.... But by all means, go on and tell Me again how ignorant I am because I have bigger things to worry about than what the animals higher up the food chain are doing to fuck Me this week.

Kirren -> RE: Im not sure what to think about this.. (4/2/2008 10:33:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Get all worked up over utter bullshit like this movie but real issues facing the US and you're truly ignorant. The President was told the he doesn't have to obey the US Constitution: http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/DOJ/story?id=4569746&page=1 The DoJ prosecuted a political opponent of Karl Rove: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/29/us/29alabama.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=siegelman&st=nyt&oref=slogin The Bush administration wants to greatly expand the powers of the federal reserve rather than allowing existing regulatory agencies to do their jobs: http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSN0121706120080402 Speaking of the fed, the Federal Reserve bailed out an investment bank that invested too heavily in sub prime mortgage securities but no action is being taken at the federal level to keep people in their homes. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/02/opinion/main3988999.shtml But you should definitely keep worrying about silly crap you found on youtube. And what I got in all of that was that the Government is corrupt. Okay...so show Me something new. Its always been a game of who can pay off who. And its always gonna be that way. Just like some senator killing some girl, the one getting away with bribery is just a "yeah okay...and thats new how?". If anything, the fact that these people are THAT corrupt, suspicious minds would be proven right with that. So allow Me to elaborate, when I posted what I did, I was asking wanting to know what others thought, I was not looking to be called frivilous or ignorant, I wanted some one to tell Me that this was crap and even stated that I wasnt sure what to think about this. The issues you have posted arent issues at all. You want issues? How about the fact that millions of families in the US are well below the poverty level, yet they can get no assistance from the government. How about the fact that thousands (and Im sure more) women are beaten or killed by their SO and even after making reports the local law doesnt have enuff hands to tend to that? How about the old people starving or dying because they cant afford food and meds? THOSE are issues...THOSE are things to get worked up about. Not about corruption that has been evident since the beginning of time.

UtopianRanger -> RE: Im not sure what to think about this.. (4/3/2008 12:30:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Get all worked up over utter bullshit like this movie but real issues facing the US and you're truly ignorant. The President was told the he doesn't have to obey the US Constitution: http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/DOJ/story?id=4569746&page=1 The DoJ prosecuted a political opponent of Karl Rove: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/29/us/29alabama.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=siegelman&st=nyt&oref=slogin The Bush administration wants to greatly expand the powers of the federal reserve rather than allowing existing regulatory agencies to do their jobs: http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSN0121706120080402 Speaking of the fed, the Federal Reserve bailed out an investment bank that invested too heavily in sub prime mortgage securities but no action is being taken at the federal level to keep people in their homes. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/02/opinion/main3988999.shtml But you should definitely keep worrying about silly crap you found on youtube. HAR!!! What irony Johny..... You've spent a great amount of your time here deconstructing/debunking/demystifying a whole litany of the thread titles/topics you deem to be conspiratorial. But after having looked at the content within the link titles you've rattled off above, any logical mind would have to come to the conclusion that you're alluding to the notion that we live in an oligarchical system. I wholeheartedly agree. But keep in mind that the characteristic way in which oligarchy can function, is a conspiracy in and of itself. - R

UtopianRanger -> RE: Im not sure what to think about this.. (4/3/2008 12:58:41 AM)
quote: So allow Me to elaborate, when I posted what I did, I was asking wanting to know what others thought, I was not looking to be called frivilous or ignorant, I wanted some one to tell Me that this was crap and even stated that I wasnt sure what to think about this. You're not frivolous or ignorant by a long shot. The subject matter and your posts are/were a very good read. And who gives flying fuck what snopes says - last time I checked, they weren’t sure if Freddy Krueger was still living on Elm Street. Anyways....there's a lot more to North American Union / The Security and Prosperity Partnership than what's been mentioned here. For sure. You can pull content directly off the CFR website that details the study--directed by the CFR--- commissioned by the administration. Also.....Dr. Jerome Corsi has done some marvelous work chronicling various bits of information detailing how they'd like to ''bloc'' us up in a similar manner to the that of the EU. - R

NorthernGent -> RE: Im not sure what to think about this.. (4/3/2008 1:06:19 AM)
I think this N Rockefeller bloke is being too kind when he says "eventually people will believe it"......what does he mean, eventually? As I understand it, the establishment of every nation promotes its culture as superior - through education, religion, the media - 'all soaked up from day 1. So, it's not difficult to turn a lot of minds with "an event". The foundations are already in place; it 's a case of taking the pin out of a hand-grenade. An interesting clip, by the way.

NorthernGent -> RE: Im not sure what to think about this.. (4/3/2008 2:23:04 AM)
To add, I'm not necessarily ready to believe the clip; nor would I discount it. As far as I can see, it would be no more than attempt to manage people - is this that far removed from methods devised in earlier centuries, e.g. absolutism? or what we have today, even? I don't think it's that much of a stretch to believe an establishment will go that one step further in order to meet its end goals. Assuming there is substance to support the clip, it will quite easily come to fruition - providing people are fed and have a few gadgets here and there. I mean, the average man on the street has limited control over his own life as it stands today, due to being fed information through the media, education etc. We've been educated to believe that revolt is not a good idea, and the only way to maintain harmony is through allowing people the means to chase their own individual business initiatives - the general consensus is that grand ideas are dangerous. A world government wouldn't really change your life; you'd remain able to feed and clothe your family, and buy a house and car etc. The aim is to tighten the grip on the public's lives rather than change their lives; the idea is to make sure no one gets any grand ideas above their station, i.e. challenging the system.

GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Im not sure what to think about this.. (4/3/2008 3:12:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent To add, I'm not necessarily ready to believe the clip; nor would I discount it. As far as I can see, it would be no more than attempt to manage people - is this that far removed from methods devised in earlier centuries, e.g. absolutism? or what we have today, even? I don't think it's that much of a stretch to believe an establishment will go that one step further in order to meet its end goals. Assuming there is substance to support the clip, it will quite easily come to fruition - providing people are fed and have a few gadgets here and there. I mean, the average man on the street has limited control over his own life as it stands today, due to being fed information through the media, education etc. We've been educated to believe that revolt is not a good idea, and the only way to maintain harmony is through allowing people the means to chase their own individual business initiatives - the general consensus is that grand ideas are dangerous. A world government wouldn't really change your life; you'd remain able to feed and clothe your family, and buy a house and car etc. The aim is to tighten the grip on the public's lives rather than change their lives; the idea is to make sure no one gets any grand ideas above their station, i.e. challenging the system. Bold emphasis Mine, I am basically agreeing with NG (surprise!) that this can easily come to fruition. We have been made ready over a couple of generations to accept this sort of idea quite easily. I am curious though, NG, as to why you seem to feel confident that a one world government would not really change anything. Frankly, I do think that something happening in that vein might not really change a whole lot initially. New currency, different laws but always for the good and safety of the common man, etc. The idea is to sell it to the regular folk with a pretty bow. But the potential to truly change living habits and lifestyle exists, and I believe that will happen just as soon as it is too late for the world population to change their minds. If you could expand on your view, I would appreciate it! [:)]

subfever -> RE: Im not sure what to think about this.. (4/3/2008 3:49:08 PM)
Our movements can already be monitored by our cell phones. And I've no doubt that our political thoughts are already being monitored to a great degree via our behavior on the internet. If the PTB considered any one of you to be a serious threat to their agenda, you wouldn't be sitting in front of your monitor right now.

DomKen -> RE: Im not sure what to think about this.. (4/3/2008 5:05:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirren So allow Me to elaborate, when I posted what I did, I was asking wanting to know what others thought, I was not looking to be called frivilous or ignorant, I wanted some one to tell Me that this was crap and even stated that I wasnt sure what to think about this. You posted easily debunked garbage that five minutes on snopes would have answered your concerns. So why eexpect others to do your research for you? Is it because you were actually expecting to spread this bs without challenge or you are unable to search snopes? Now you claim your feeelings are hurt. I posted actual real problems not some fantasy spread by chain letter and commented on your statement that you don't pay attention to what is going on around you. If the truth stings that is too bad. utopianranger, since every interaction with you has resulted in your whining to the mods it was agreed we wouldn't respond to each others posts. Why have you violated this understanding? Why should I expect you not to whine to the mods the first time I point out your bs?

Kirren -> RE: Im not sure what to think about this.. (4/3/2008 5:13:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger quote: So allow Me to elaborate, when I posted what I did, I was asking wanting to know what others thought, I was not looking to be called frivilous or ignorant, I wanted some one to tell Me that this was crap and even stated that I wasnt sure what to think about this. You're not frivolous or ignorant by a long shot. The subject matter and your posts are/were a very good read. And who gives flying fuck what snopes says - last time I checked, they weren’t sure if Freddy Krueger was still living on Elm Street. Anyways....there's a lot more to North American Union / The Security and Prosperity Partnership than what's been mentioned here. For sure. You can pull content directly off the CFR website that details the study--directed by the CFR--- commissioned by the administration. Also.....Dr. Jerome Corsi has done some marvelous work chronicling various bits of information detailing how they'd like to ''bloc'' us up in a similar manner to the that of the EU. - R I appreciate that you, at least ( and not alone) have some kind of manners regaurding how to speak to some one. Its attitudes like our dear little ken-dolly down there that make Me hesitant to even speak of politics much less try to learn anything. I wanted to know where, or if I could find information debunking these things, and perhaps I wasnt clear on that when I originally posted. So thank you for clearing that up for Me. Have a wonderful day. K.

Kirren -> RE: Im not sure what to think about this.. (4/3/2008 5:30:13 PM)
quote: You posted easily debunked garbage that five minutes on snopes would have answered your concerns. So why eexpect others to do your research for you? Is it because you were actually expecting to spread this bs without challenge or you are unable to search snopes? I didnt even know what a snope was before this post. I dont consider that to be a word...so why would I search it? and I was asking people that seemed to have a political back ground. Not some one that was going to post their own inane banter. So, take your hostile acusations and well...go poll them some where. Or put them on a poll and....never mind... quote: Now you claim your feeelings are hurt. I posted actual real problems not some fantasy spread by chain letter and commented on your statement that you don't pay attention to what is going on around you. If the truth stings that is too bad. 1) I never said you hurt My feelings, I honestly dont give you enuff consideration as such, but My, dont you think you are so fascinating that I should. You obviously have Me confused with some one else. 2) Corrupt politicians are real problems, versus lack of medical care for children? Obviously you dont have kids. Or you would be concerned with bigger matters. 3) I commented back to you that I have bigger things to worry about and yet you want to insult Me with ignorance and stupidty...Truth? Where was there truth in anything that you said to Me in any of your posts? besides the news that you posted from some other source? So, if you are quite done, I feel that I have nothing left to say to you, nor do you to Me, and I would politely request that you refrain from your obvious abuse of some one trying to seek education and enlightenment....and maybe get a hobby.

UtopianRanger -> RE: Im not sure what to think about this.. (4/3/2008 10:08:49 PM)
quote: utopianranger, since every interaction with you has resulted in your whining to the mods it was agreed we wouldn't respond to each others posts. Why have you violated this understanding? Why should I expect you not to whine to the mods the first time I point out your bs? I've spoken with counsel regards this matter and have been advised that what you've stated above is unenforceable and legally non-binding. Besides.....my post was not meant to open up a dialogue with you; it was purely a rhetorical statement. ; } Y'all have a great weekend. - R

Kirren -> RE: Im not sure what to think about this.. (4/4/2008 5:03:15 AM)
Seems to Me like from the responces and from what I have seen and read, and just life in general...we wont ever really know what they are doing until it is done, and a great many of us (no offense to these people, as I am one) float along doing what needs done and ignoring the rest of the crap. And some of us look at everything with skeptical eyes. The whole thing is....this situation reminds Me of a blonde joke...If blondes have more fun, are they smart enuff to know it? If we are getting screwed by the government, would we know it? If we werent, would we know that either? Fact is, people of power have been using, and abusing the media and mass hysteria since WW2 And prolly before. Ive often compared this situation to a movie called Wag the Dog. And if it wasnt for the fact that I know so many people over seas at the moment, Id almost think that this thing with Iraq was so insane that it had to be dreamed up by Hollywood. Yeah, I know, Im also prolly opening Myself up to all kinds of "compliments" by My ever growing fan club...thats okay...Ill deal with it.

SingleRarity -> RE: Im not sure what to think about this.. (4/4/2008 11:38:09 AM)
Seriously, Why is everyone worrying? You all know that within the next ten years we're going to become genetically enhanced bio-robots. God doesn't love bio-robots, so the end of days will probably be cancelled. It's all good. http://ezinearticles.com/?Will-We-Become-Superhumans?&id=976862 Read this and have no fear. Daddy's Ballerina "e"

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